If there was anything against Trump in the Epstein files, it would have been leaked

[FreeinChrist]

Hi all,
as much as I disagree with almost everything about Trump with every fibre of my being, I personally doubt there could be anything devastating against him in the Epstein files simply because I'm sceptical about conspiracy theories - and feel human beings are too prone to leaking something THAT big!

Mind you - decades ago I was a Department of Community Services officer in the NSW government. I can tell you with some authority that sick, powerful men in a society do cluster together and form paedophile conspiracies. They form networks to enable their sick addictions.

Leaks like this can be kept quite by the same logic with which NATO have not nuked Russia - it's Mutually Assured Destruction. I don't have details on me, but have read departmental training material on various local cabals in NSW back in the day. The only stuff more disturbing? When this gets combined with "Ritual Abuse" - when it gets into Satanic stuff. Even us DOCS officers were not to attempt investigating THAT stuff - we would tell our managers who would escalate it to a special unit. (I like to think of them as a child welfare version of Mulder and Scully! Fortunately I never had a case like that. But the curiosity of this old X-Files fan does sometimes make me wish I knew more about that special unit. From a distance. I don't even know the unit's name!)

The thing that makes me sceptical about a cabal in Federal Administrations - especially under Trump - is the sheer scale - and the venomous energy of those he burns! Think about the vast number of public servants he has yelled "You're fired!" at like he's the star of his own reality TV show. I guess he still is? Unfortunately for us, it's called "The News!"

If any of the more bitter ex-staffers knew anything - surely it would have been leaked by now?

HOWEVER - having said all that - Trump is not helping himself!


QUIZ TIME: Trump has explained away the Epstein files by claiming:-
A: They're one of America's largest conspiracies - written by Obama and Hilary Clinton and Democrats and "Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration",

B: Then tried to blame the Democrats for NOT releasing the files THEY created!?,

C: In doing so contradicted US Attorney General Pam Bondi who says there ARE NO Epstein files (even though she had them on her desk in February),

D: Anyone who asks about Epstein all these years later is a bad person. (Even though he still can't stop lying and crying about the 2020 election 'being stolen' and a thousand other petty grievances he has with anyone ever who has ever opposed him or his policies.)

E: Said of his own MAGA base asking these questions - "Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!"

F: ALL OF THE ABOVE!
30 seconds thinking time...
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ANSWER:
The correct answer is E - all of the above!

Well done! You have demonstrated you have a grip on logical inconsistencies and self-contradiction. Just as his MAGA base are starting to discover!

This was his first ever "Truth Social" post to get MORE COMMENTS than likes - indicating the MAGA base want to question him more than adulate him. This is a new low with his OWN base - and now he is turning on his own base as 'weaklings'. Interesting times.

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Actually a judge ruled that the information was protected and it stayed that way through Jan. 2025.

So no, a law abiding president would not have leaked it.

 

[eclipsenow]

I'm not talking about a president leaking it - but a member of the jury - or anyone in records management.

And it's just not going away.

 

[eclipsenow]

If by kissing the ring you mean getting deals for his Trump Organization and hefty gifts for himself, then I would put the motivation as 90%.

That to - totally agree! Free jets anyone?
But I was more referring to how he gets Narcissistic Supply from every President and Prime Minister in the world having to go through the ridiculous charade of reaffirming not just a strong alliance with America, but sit on the Oval Office lounge and praise and thank Donald Trump himself. Apparently he expects every visitor to explain why he is the most praiseworthy human being alive today! Apparently he sees world relations with whether or not other leaders have been "nice" to him!

And in psychological terms Vance is a 'flying monkey' - running errands for and enabling the Narcissist by serving his every psychological instead of presidential need. EG: The infamous Zelenskyy interview - "You have not said thank you!" (I mean, really JD? Why not just stick your bottom lip out and sulk?)

Our "Democracy Sausage" podcast recently said they were GLAD Australia's Prime Minister somehow avoided that ritual humiliation. It's not good for either country, and it's humiliating for Australia to watch our PM have to go and pay honour to 'daddy'. (Democracy Sausages word - not mine. These guys have Phd in political science and report to our ABC.)

They called the episode "Bending the knee" - and the erratic behaviour of Trump is completely reshaping international politics around a unreliable, even spiteful USA - and given Trump might die but Trumpism is still going strong with the online echo-chambers - we're just not sure we can trust America until we see profound changes in the Republican culture away from MAGA.

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[ozso]

The answer is the DOJ in normal presidencies is not the presidents consigliere.

Q: Everybody is making a big deal out of Trump knowing what's in the Epstein Files, but what about Biden who had the Epstein Files for 4 years before Trump did?

A: The answer is the DOJ in normal presidencies is not the presidents consigliere.

Okay.

 

[ozso]

I'm not talking about a president leaking it - but a member of the jury - or anyone in records management.

And it's just not going away.

Looks like beating a dead horse.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

More specifically the alleged so-called client list. Which apparently never existed. And if that's the case, it seems likely that Donald is having fun with it.

You are correct; the list does not exist. However, during the 2024 election period, both the current FBI director and deputy director were requesting that the list be released.

I am not sure if President Trump is “ having fun with” the idea of him nominating two people to lead FBI who believes in a LIST which doesn’t exist.

 

[eclipsenow]

This 7 min TLDR (last minute is ads) documents a quick history of the whole Trump - Epstein thing - then shows another growing list.
The list of MAGA people turning on Trump!

It asks if MAGA are going to leave Trump and the Republican party and move to Elon's new schtick? I mean - what is the Republican party without Trump anyway?

 

[essentialsaltes]

it seems likely that Donald is having fun with it.

It's obvious that Donald is not having fun with the Epstein stuff still making headlines and roiling his political base.

 

[ozso]

It's obvious that Donald is not having fun with the Epstein stuff still making headlines and roiling his political base.

I see left leaning media pushing that narrative. But they've always pushed that narrative. This month it has Epstein attached to it. Last month it was ICE. Next month it will be something else. In the next 3 years Trump will be shaking in his boots over whatever and MAGA will be turning against Trump over whatever umpteen times according to CNN et al. That's how it went during the first Trump presidency. It's all reruns upon reruns.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I see left leaning media pushing that narrative.

I see Trump calling his own supporters 'weaklings' for having the audacity to question his administration's handling of the Epstein files.

Donald Trump has lashed out against his own supporters, calling them gullible “weaklings” for questioning the transparency of a secretive government inquiry into the late high-profile socialite and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

 

[ozso]

I see Trump calling his own supporters 'weaklings' for having the audacity to question his administration's handling of the Epstein files.

Donald Trump has lashed out against his own supporters, calling them gullible “weaklings” for questioning the transparency of a secretive government inquiry into the late high-profile socialite and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

According to The Guardian which produces one scurrilous story after another about Trump.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

This whole Trump/Epstein “show us the list” chant has basically just turned into the last scene in “Se7en” where Brad Pitt is screaming “What’s in the box?” He knows what’s in the box. Morgan Freeman knew what was in the box.
The audience knew what was in the box. Everybody knew that everybody else knew what was in the box. He wasn’t asking because he didn’t know, he was asking because he didn’t want to believe it and he knew looking in would mean he couldn’t deny it anymore.

Trump was with Epstein, numerous women have come forward to share their experience with Trump and Epstein, we know what Trump wrote to Epstein, we all know what Epstein said about Trump meeting Melania… If there is a list or documents, we know his name is in them. We always have.

And it won’t matter. He was found liable in a rape and it didn’t matter. A certain segment has him deified, so they’ll excuse it or deny it (as has been occurring since their ties and his crimes came to light), and that will be it.

 

[Say it aint so]

I see left leaning media pushing that narrative. But they've always pushed that narrative. This month it has Epstein attached to it. Last month it was ICE. Next month it will be something else. In the next 3 years Trump will be shaking in his boots over whatever and MAGA will be turning against Trump over whatever umpteen times according to CNN et al. That's how it went during the first Trump presidency. It's all reruns upon reruns.

Well no, this is not a manufactured thing by the left leaning media. This is a self inflicted gun shot wound.

 

[ozso]

Well no, this is not a manufactured thing by the left leaning media. This is a self inflicted gun shot wound.

I've been hearing about self inflicted wounds for years. From 2021 to 2024 there were constant self inflected wounds that were going to cost him the election. And the the Republicans / MAGAs turning against him over and over again.

 

[Say it aint so]

I've been hearing about self inflicted wounds for years. From 2021 to 2024 there were constant self inflected wounds that were going to cost him the election. And the the Republicans / MAGAs turning against him over and over again.

He is a convicted felon. Again, to say this is the doing of the left is bizarre. Just today after GOP Congressman Thomas Massie secured enough GOP votes to force a floor vote regarding the release of Epstein documents. GOP House leader Mike Johnson. The guy who said this, "“We have a moral obligation to protect all children from sexual predators and to eliminate any legal technicality that would allow a predator to escape justice". He shut down congress till Sept instead.

 

[ozso]

He is a convicted felon. Again, to say this is the doing of the left is bizarre.
Just today after GOP Congressman Thomas Massie secured enough GOP votes to force a floor vote regarding the release of Epstein documents, GOP House leader Mike Johnson. The guy who said this, "“We have a moral obligation to protect all children from sexual predators and to eliminate any legal technicality that would allow a predator to escape justice". He shut down congress till Sept instead.

"This is the doing of the left", is not what I said. What I did say is the narrative of the left in reporting about and talking about this, is the same as it's always been regarding umpteen other situations. And as usual as with all the other times, it isn't going to amount to anything. And the next big deal scandal will take its place.

 

[Say it aint so]

"This is the doing of the left", is not what I said. What I did say is the narrative of the left in reporting about and talking about this, is the same as it's always been regarding umpteen other situations. And as usual as with all the other times, it isn't going to amount to anything. And the next big deal scandal will take its place.

It's not just the left reporting on this. Every media outlet and Joe Blow with a podcast is. Right wing characters spoke of this with passion; some of them are the DOJ now. Is Rupert Murdoch's WSJ who wrote about Trump's "Brawny" letter to Epstein the left? Yes, your assertion is kind devoid of reality.

My prediction is this will amount to the Madam providing young girls to Epstein, being pardoned by Trump. And yes, I agree. With Trump next month it will be something else. It always is, and that's because he is a walking self inflicted gunshot wound.

 

[ozso]

It's not just the left reporting on this. Every media outlet and Joe Blow with a podcast is. Right wing characters spoke of this with passion; some of them are the DOJ now. Is Rupert Murdoch's WSJ who wrote about Trump's "Brawny" letter to Epstein the left? Yes, your assertion is kind devoid of reality.

Not every source is sensationalizing it the way others are. The more left the source, the more sensationalistic. And the reverse is the case as well. The more right the source, the more sensationalistic a story about a Democrat is going to be. Anyone who thinks that's devoid of reality, needs to get their reality meter checked.

My prediction is this will amount to the Madam providing young girls to Epstein, being pardoned by Trump. And yes, I agree. With Trump next month it will be something else. It always is, and that's because he is a walking self inflicted gunshot wound.

Much ado about something that will go nowhere and be forgotten.

 

[Say it aint so]

Not every source is sensationalizing it the way others are. The more left the source, the more sensationalistic. And the reverse is the case as well. The more right the source, the more sensationalistic a story about a Democrat is going to be. Anyone who thinks that's devoid of reality, needs to get their reality meter checked.

Much ado about something that will go nowhere and be forgotten.

It's not being sensationalized more by others. It's just some sources have gotten their phone calls from Trump to back down.

Trump urges supporters to remain quiet on Epstein case; Fox News echoes message​

Charlie Kirk says ‘I’m done talking about Epstein’ after Trump called him over weekend​

 

[eclipsenow]

TRUMP's diversions are now turning dangerous! Over the last few days Trump has been so panicked over the mounting pressure to release the Epstein files that he has instead:-

1. Released the MLK files.

2. Released the Hillary Clinton private email server files.
( To which Jon Stewart sarcastically replied "Oh good - finally we'll get to know the TRUTH about .... Hillary's Private Email Island." Certainly not the Private Island the MAGA base are demanding files to! )

3. But now it's turned dangerous. Trump just accused Obama of TREASON - and that carries the death penalty. I can't imagine due process taking this ANYWHERE.

But what might the more frenzied MAGA faithful make of it? What will these Trump "Truth-Social" Believers conclude must be done about their "Obama problem"? ☹️ Details on this pathetic accusation below.