Does the Bible command Christians to support the State of Israel?

[Hentenza]

Well, if you are supporting the current Israel because you think God will bless you if you do and curse you if you don't, then that is wrong theology.

Glad you got that out of your system.

 

[XrxrX]

Well, if you are supporting the current Israel because you think God will bless you if you do and curse you if you don't, then that is wrong theology.

Wow, we agree!

 

[Guojing]

Wow, we agree!

I already said Israel has fallen today, that is why salvation has come to us gentiles (Romans 11:11)

 

[XrxrX]

I already said Israel has fallen today, that is why salvation has come to us gentiles (Romans 11:11)

I would argue that's not "why".. God doesn't do "plan Bs". The prophesies make clear the WORLD was always the plan.

 

[trophy33]

The prophesies make clear the WORLD was always the plan.

And the words of Jesus and of the apostles. J 3:16 is a verse being displayed almost everywhere and still so many Christians do not seem to know it.

 

[Guojing]

I would argue that's not "why".. God doesn't do "plan Bs". The prophesies make clear the WORLD was always the plan.

I didn't say it was plan B. God already knew it would happen.

But that does not mean it allows one to conclude that, therefore the Body of Christ is equal to Israel.

One will rule the heaven, the other will rule the Earth (Ephesians 1:10).

 

[Guojing]

And the words of Jesus and of the apostles. J 3:16 is a verse being displayed almost everywhere and still so many Christians do not seem to know it.

John 3:16 is a commentary from the author and not Jesus's actual words.

 

[XrxrX]

I didn't say it was plan B. God already knew it would happen.

But that does not mean it allows one to conclude that, therefore the Body of Christ is equal to Israel.

One will rule the heaven, the other will rule the Earth (Ephesians 1:10).

And THERE we have the error. The Kingdom of God... and The Kingdom of Heaven, are the SAME.

 

[Guojing]

And THERE we have the error. The Kingdom of God... and The Kingdom of Heaven, are the SAME.

You like to jump into irrelevant points.

Even if these 2 terms were, depending on how you define them, you cannot then conclude that heaven and earth are therefore the same locations (Ephesians 1:10).

 

[johansen]

But that does not mean it allows one to conclude that, therefore the Body of Christ is equal to Israel.

One will rule the heaven, the other will rule the Earth (Ephesians 1:10).

No.

 

[XrxrX]

You like to jump into irrelevant points.

Even if these 2 terms were, depending on how you define them, you cannot then conclude that heaven and earth are therefore the same locations (Ephesians 1:10).

No, this is a crux of your theology.. which your Dispensationalist brethren have HAD to delineate because of this very claim you cite. Specify, are the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God the same Kingdom?

 

[trophy33]

John 3:16 is a commentary from the author and not Jesus's actual words.

Both is possible. But I said "Jesus and the apostles".

 

[Guojing]

No, this is a crux of your theology.. which your Dispensationalist brethren have HAD to delineate because of this very claim you cite. Specify, are the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God the same Kingdom?

I made no mention of these 2 terms, you were the one who brought them up

 

[Guojing]

Both is possible. But I said "Jesus and the apostles".

Notice I said the author and not John?

But never mind, that will be off topic.