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Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

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SB is going to claim that Col 2:16 is Paul telling Jewish Christians to not let Gentile Christians criticize them FOR keeping feasts/days etc not vice versa. That's their 'switch a roo'.. except Paul was clearly railing against "Jud*i*z***s" you know who, that we're not allowed to mention. So yeah, they have a whole campaign of 'alternate reality' on this issue. They aren't Adventists, they're so called "Hebrew Roots", or they'll claim "Messianic Jews", but this, although a very OLD problem, as in the Apostles themselves had to battle it, it 'new again' in that it's one of the fastest rising cults now. It's extremely insidious, because like other groups that essentially deny that they preach "another you know what" in word, in Action the logical conclusions of what they preach can only reach one conclusion... Righteousness by Works. Many of them frequent "119 Ministries" which promulgates this theology. So, just some friendly info. :)
I know brother. Thanks for the info. Been there done that. ;)
 
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Regarding 2:16 we will be looking at context and how it works in harmony with other Scriptures.

First, we can't isolate Col 2:16 without looking at the immediate context if we truly want to understand what Paul is speaking about.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.
Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about
  1. handwritten
  2. ordinances
  3. against and contrary to us
1. Was the Sabbath commandment "handwritten" ?

Lets look at what the Bible says
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Context doesn't fit- the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath commandment was written by the finger of God not "handwritten"

2. ordinances

Lets look at the Testimony of God
Right in the Ten Commandments God wrote this about the Ten Commandments:
Exo 20:6 Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Context doesn't fit

3. Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:
Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man
The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against

Context doesn't fit

So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation.

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

There is so much more evidence I could provide like comparing what Jesus said which in using Col 2:14-16 against the Sabbath commandment contradicts His teachings. Hopefully this will be looked at in prayer as I know this is a popular teaching, but the context does not fit the Sabbath commandment written by the finger of God that is part of God's holy and eternal law Mat 5:18-19 Isa 66:23
 
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I believe the context starts in verse 8
Be careful that you don’t let anyone rob you through their philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the elements of the world, and not after Christ

"Elements" above refers to "heavenly bodies"

We don't need to observe the position of the Sun

Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night. Let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years Genesis 1
 
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About Context

It's subjective. Different people will see different things in the context.

Appealing to context is similar to saying "it looks to me" or "in my opinion"

Furthermore, my child, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh Ecclesiastes 12
 
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Thankfully, the Ten Commandments are not the traditions of man Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6. Jesus condemned those who keep their traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting right from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

The Bible gives us context Pro 3:5-6, not our own ideas thoughts and desires. But we have free will to listen to any voice we want.

We can say the Sabbath commandment that is holy, blessed and sanctified by God that is holy, just and good Rom 7:12 is contrary and against us despite what Jesus said.

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Neh 13:17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said to them, “What evil thing is this that you do, by which you profane the Sabbath day?

Jesus gives us the same choices Mat 12:12 Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.

God relates to breaking the Sabbath as doing evil and keeping it as doing good. The choice is ours.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Its a matter of what voice we want to listen to. There is always another voice telling us the opposite of what God said. The counterfeit always comes after the original.
 
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A commandment, any commandment, can have human traditions added to it. It can also have things from the past that no longer apply added to it

"Is this the fast I have chosen:

a day for a man to deny himself,

to bow his head like a reed,

and to spread out sackcloth and ashes?

Will you call this a fast

and a day acceptable to the LORD?" Isaiah 58
 
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If a person wishes to observe the Sabbath according to human traditions, or according to things from the past, that's their decision. If they give thanks to God for the day, I say Amen :heart:

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might" - Ecclesiastes
 
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The Sabbath is not a human tradition it is a commandment of God, thus saith the Lord Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Exo 20:6. Most of the Sabbath instructions is God speaking directly found all throughout the Bible. Its part of God's own Testimony Exo 31:18

Just like if we keep God's name holy, its not a human tradition, it is a commandment of God. But if one wishes to speak over God, many have done this and continue to do this, its something I am sure will get sorted out at His soon return.

We are told to live by His voice- His every word

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”


If we have not harden our hearts

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’

11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
 
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Most seventh day observers today incorporate the International date line without even realizing it. It's a human tradition if there ever was one.

The nations of the Earth decided to put the dateline in the middle of the Pacific. If they had put it in the middle of the Atlantic, people in the USA would be celebrating a Sabbath one day earlier.

One person regards one day above another
Another person regards all days alike
This is the day the Lord has made
Let's rejoice and be glad in it
 
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The Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening Lev 23:32, regardless where one is.

The IDL is just another distraction people use to take their eyes off Jesus and what He said. There will always be another voice in the garden trying to tell us we can't really obey God or you will not surely die if we disobey God. If we seek for ways to find loopholes and not obey His commandments, one will always find it. If we hear His voice and follow what He said and the example of Jesus and the apostles- God will give us His Spirit so we can obey Him and His commandments John 14:15-18 Acts 5:32
 
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Rom 14:1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; [a]and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.

They are not disputing any of the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath isn't mentioned once in the entire chapter. The covenant ratified at the Cross, not decades later and nothing can be changed to God's covenant, it was ratified by the blood of Christ.

Why it says what One person esteems not what God esteemed, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 It is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 and the Testimony of God Exo Exo 31:18

Its would be like us disputing if we should keep Easter and Christmas. not if we should obey or disobey one of God's commandments. We are told not to add to God's word Pro 30:5-6 the Sabbath is not mentioned in all of Romans 14- God wrote and God spoke, God blessed, what He blesses no man can reverse Num 23:20 so I beleive its best to let God be God - He reveals His will to us Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10 2 Cor 3:3 but will we listen?
 
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Whether it's Friday or Saturday or Thursday depends on where the international date line is

It's a human tradition

The Ten commandments are great! There is dispute over how to keep them

"Better is one day in your house than a thousand elsewhere" amen amen amen
 
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When the seventh day starts depends on where the international date line is. Put the dateline in the middle of the Atlantic, and today is the seventh day in the USA, not the sixth

We don't have to observe times and seasons. Jesus fulfilled the law.

Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor His ear too dull to hear Isaiah 59
 
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Guess we will all find out at His soon return.

The decisions we make today will be sealed at His return Rev 22:11 so choose wisely on which voice we are serving. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16.

God bless all!
 
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Regarding 2:16 we will be looking at context and how it works in harmony with other Scriptures.

First, we can't isolate Col 2:16 without looking at the immediate context if we truly want to understand what Paul is speaking about.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.
Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about
  1. handwritten
  2. ordinances
  3. against and contrary to us
You sure do follow the playbook lol. Is still a fail.

1. The ordinances refer to the law and government ordinance. He is the head over ALL rule and that would have included the law as the rule for Israel.

“and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬-‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

2. “No one” in verse 16 actually means “no” and “any man” which includes YOU.

μή mḗ, may; a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas G3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, (conjunction) lest; also (as an interrogative implying a negative answer (whereas G3756 expects an affirmative one)) whether:—any but (that), ×forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never, no (X wise in), none, nor, (can-)not, nothing, that not, un(-taken), without. Often used in compounds in substantially the same relations. See also G3362, G3363, G3364, G3372, G3373, G3375, G3378.

τὶς tìs, tis; an enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object:—a (kind of), any (man, thing, thing at all), certain (thing), divers, he (every) man, one (X thing), ought, +partly, some (man, -body, - thing, -what), (+ that no-)thing, what(-soever), × wherewith, whom(-soever), whose(-soever).


1. Was the Sabbath commandment "handwritten" ?

Lets look at what the Bible says
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Context doesn't fit- the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath commandment was written by the finger of God not "handwritten"
Have you ever written your name in sand with your finger? Is that not considered ”handwritten”? You’re clutching at straws.
2. ordinances

Lets look at the Testimony of God
Right in the Ten Commandments God wrote this about the Ten Commandments:
Exo 20:6 Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Context doesn't fit
Audience? Your context doesn’t fit.
3. Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:
Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man
The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against

Context doesn't fit
Again, let’s look at context.

“And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭25‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The story of David eating the consecrated bread should give you a clue of what Jesus thought of the sabbath. Of course the sabbath was made for man, God needed no rest. But also now Jesus is the Lord of EVEN the Sabbath so in the same spirit of unlawfully eating the consecrated bread Jesus fulfilled ALL of the law including the Sabbath. No where is scripture is the Sabbath required of the gentiles. The Christian rests in Christ.

Your context fails again.
So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation.

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

There is so much more evidence I could provide like comparing what Jesus said which in using Col 2:14-16 against the Sabbath commandment contradicts His teachings. Hopefully this will be looked at in prayer as I know this is a popular teaching, but the context does not fit the Sabbath commandment written by the finger of God that is part of God's holy and eternal law Mat 5:18-19 Isa 66:23
When you start with the wrong premise everything that follows is wrong. I’m not addressing your conclusions because they are based on the wrong premise. I asked you in my last post to respect other Christian biblical right to observe the sabbath as they saw fit but you are disrespectful. On behalf of the readers here (including those that are not members) I will continue to argue against your error. You will fail at putting the yolk of the law back on the Christian.
 
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Guess we will all find out at His soon return.

The decisions we make today will be sealed at His return Rev 22:11 so choose wisely on which voice we are serving. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16.
Likewise.
God bless all!
Not really. You are judging those that don’t believe as you. You did not die on the cross for us so you are inconsequential to our salvation.
 
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Likewise.

Not really. You are judging those that don’t believe as you. You did not die on the cross for us so you are inconsequential to our salvation.
Pointing out the Scripture is not judging. If that's the case you are judging me because I do not believe as you do and everyone on this forum is judging each other because rarely does anyone agree.

As stated all gets sorted out soon enough. He is the arbitrator of His Truth- we are told all of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 but if we think there was an error and He meant to say forget the Sabbath instead of remembering it, I trust His righteous judgement.

Take care.
 
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You sure do follow the playbook lol. Is still a fail.

1. The ordinances refer to the law and government ordinance. He is the head over ALL rule and that would have included the law as the rule for Israel.

“and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬-‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

2. “No one” in verse 16 actually means “no” and “any man” which includes YOU.

μή mḗ, may; a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas G3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, (conjunction) lest; also (as an interrogative implying a negative answer (whereas G3756 expects an affirmative one)) whether:—any but (that), ×forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never, no (X wise in), none, nor, (can-)not, nothing, that not, un(-taken), without. Often used in compounds in substantially the same relations. See also G3362, G3363, G3364, G3372, G3373, G3375, G3378.

τὶς tìs, tis; an enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or object:—a (kind of), any (man, thing, thing at all), certain (thing), divers, he (every) man, one (X thing), ought, +partly, some (man, -body, - thing, -what), (+ that no-)thing, what(-soever), × wherewith, whom(-soever), whose(-soever).



Have you ever written your name in sand with your finger? Is that not considered ”handwritten”? You’re clutching at straws.

Audience? Your context doesn’t fit.

Again, let’s look at context.

“And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭25‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The story of David eating the consecrated bread should give you a clue of what Jesus thought of the sabbath. Of course the sabbath was made for man, God needed no rest. But also now Jesus is the Lord of EVEN the Sabbath so in the same spirit of unlawfully eating the consecrated bread Jesus fulfilled ALL of the law including the Sabbath. No where is scripture is the Sabbath required of the gentiles. The Christian rests in Christ.

Your context fails again.

When you start with the wrong premise everything that follows is wrong. I’m not addressing your conclusions because they are based on the wrong premise. I asked you in my last post to respect other Christian biblical right to observe the sabbath as they saw fit but you are disrespectful. On behalf of the readers here (including those that are not members) I will continue to argue against your error. You will fail at putting the yolk of the law back on the Christian.
Sorry you think resting with God is a yolk and burden, when God just wants to rest with us on His holy Sabbath day.

God wants to give us rest, man claims its a yoke of bondage.

Guess we will find out soon enough.
 
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Pointing out the Scripture is not judging. If that's the case you are judging me because I do not believe as you do and everyone on this forum is judging each other because rarely does anyone agree.

As stated all gets sorted out soon enough. He is the arbitrator of His Truth- we are told all of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 but if we think there was an error and He meant to say forget the Sabbath instead of remembering it, I trust His righteous judgement.

Take care.
I’m not the one using scripture to condemn others. I’m using scripture to debunk you. My judgement is against the doctrine that you are peddling not against you.

You take care also but am not going away.
 
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