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AOC's 'Red Light' district ruled by violent migrant gang taken down by feds

Hentenza

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Who else have we got right now? Anyway, the Republicans and the neoLib Democrats hate her, so she must be doing something.
Really? Just because that’s all you have? Man, I thought you guys had better arguments than that. The question is what are the democrats going to do to understand what people want so you can get the gop out of the white house in the next election? If she is the best you have then you have word salad Harris again. Ugh
 
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The question is, will that scale/play at larger levels of government.

If people think she'll be able to run for higher offices above the district level, and not have to change/temper any of her positions, they'd be sorely mistaken.
Maybe so. Maybe she will turn out to be just a placeholder, but at least she is doing that.
The things that play in queens don't play as well in the southern & midwestern states and rust belt.
Some things do. I notice that she took her "preferred pronouns" off her websites the day after Trump was elected.
 
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Maybe so. Maybe she will turn out to be just a placeholder, but at least she is doing that.

Some things do. I notice that she took her "preferred pronouns" off her websites the day after Trump was elected.
Exactly, she tempered her positions... Gavin Newsom has done the same.

Mr. "I've been at the forefront of LGBTQ rights" caved on the "trans in sports" thing pretty quick the moment he started considering higher office that Governor of California.
 
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Really? Just because that’s all you have? Man, I thought you guys had better arguments than that.
Better arguments for what? For why we've only got a junior officer on deck for the time being?
The question is what are the democrats going to do to understand what people want so you can get the gop out of the white house in the next election? If she is the best you have then you have word salad Harris again. Ugh
No, the Democrats are toast, which is a good thing in a way. The Democrats betrayed the working class, just as the Republicans are doing now. There will be a labor oriented party again, though not likely on a national level by the midterms.
 
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Some things do. I notice that she took her "preferred pronouns" off her websites the day after Trump was elected.
That just means she’ll put them right back on once she feels safe. It’s politics and she is a politician. Can’t trust any of them. lol
 
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Better arguments for what? For why we've only got a junior officer on deck for the time being?

No, the Democrats are toast, which is a good thing in a way. The Democrats betrayed the working class, just as the Republicans are doing now. There will be a labor oriented party again, though not likely on a national level by the midterms.
Well this is something that we can definitely agree on and I hope you are right.
 
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Exactly, she tempered her positions... Gavin Newsom has done the same.

Mr. "I've been at the forefront of LGBTQ rights" caved on the "trans in sports" thing pretty quick the moment he started considering higher office that Governor of California.
He calls himself a "progressive" (makes me think of Dubya and his "compassionate conservatism.") But Newsome is neoLib and he's going to have to go down with that ship.
 
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He calls himself a "progressive" (makes me think of Dubya and his "compassionate conservatism.") But Newsome is neoLib and he's going to have to go down with that ship.


...but here's the question, does the progressive left sabotage their own candidates by basically forcing them to adhere to a purity standard that they know doesn't gel with the rest of the country on some of the social issues?


Cenk from the Young Turks was talking about this rather recently (yes, I listen to content from both sides of the aisle).

Paraphrasing: "If you know things like paid family leave, universal healthcare, and stronger workers rights are popular with the majority, and you have a candidate who supports those things and has a somewhat decent rapport with a plurality of voters, why are you sticking your own guy on the hot seat and pressuring them into "saying a thing" that's unpopular with 80% of the voters?"


This is one area where (strictly strategically speaking) the republicans do better than the democrats.

The democrats have developed a somewhat toxic purity standard, where republicans will happily welcome someone into the fold even if they have the most trivial overlap.

I've heard it referred to as "Pitchforks to the left; Welcome mat to the right"


The republicans gladly welcomed in a Joe Rogan (an atheist Bernie Bro who's in favor of universal healthcare, gay marriage, drug legalization, and looser immigration laws) over the fact that he thinks comedy shouldn't be censored and that he agreed with some of them about the covid vaccine. That's really the only overlap he has with them, he got welcomed with open arms. Same deal with RFK, some overlap on the vaccine stuff and some sentiments about the "politicizing of science", but apart from that, he was lifelong democrat who was a pro-choice environmentalist (who was on Obama's short list to head the EPA)

Both of those guys got a "heroes welcome" from the GOP. (despite not really have that much in common)

Meanwhile, the democrats are running people out of town if they dare to deviate on even 1 or 2 issues.
 
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Yep but still doesn’t not charge her crime numbers and her lack of care for her district. I’m sure she’ll show up to campaign.

Btw: you sure seem to be defending her a lot. A politician. Is she your hero?
Her personal crime numbers are 34 convictions lower than Donald Trump. Now what other relevant "crime numbers" could a US Representative have?
 
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Yep but still doesn’t not charge her crime numbers and her lack of care for her district.
Typo aside, since when are representatives held to account for what goes on in their districts?
I’m sure she’ll show up to campaign.
Part-&-parcel of being a politician, so we agree.
Btw: you sure seem to be defending her a lot. A politician. Is she your hero?
Not so much “defending her”, as I am questioning the metric of a Representative being held to account for the actions of their constituents. When did this become a thing?
 
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Typo aside, since when are representatives held to account for what goes on in their districts?

Part-&-parcel of being a politician, so we agree.

Not so much “defending her”, as I am questioning the metric of a Representative being held to account for the actions of their constituents. When did this become a thing?
It depends on who you are talking bout. AOC could solve her problems at once by changing from being a Catholic to being a Protestant and becoming a MAGA Republican. Then the crime in her district could be written off as part of a left-wing conspiracy to make her look bad and not her fault at all.
 
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Her personal crime numbers are 34 convictions lower than Donald Trump. Now what other relevant "crime numbers" could a US Representative have?
Are you trying to impress me here by stating Trumps conviction? I could not care less. AOC bad, Trump bad. Now what?

Is she also your hero? What surprises me is how fast you guys defend a politician. :doh:
 
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Typo aside, since when are representatives held to account for what goes on in their districts?

Part-&-parcel of being a politician, so we agree.

Not so much “defending her”, as I am questioning the metric of a Representative being held to account for the actions of their constituents. When did this become a thing?
Who votes for her? Who butters her bread? Why would her position be called a representative if she does not represent Her district at the district level. As a voter I have always taken into consideration how they represent their district. I used the example of Sheila Jackson Lee US rep from Houston that was very involved with her district always advocating for them. Tell me, why should AOC not be held responsible for NOT advocating for her district? Why would you want to vote for someone that simply does not care except to self promote?
 
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I'm trying to figure out what crime has to do with her job.
Never did I accuse her of a crime. I accused her of neglect and not caring about the tremendous rise in crime in her district.

ETA: In the article that I posted many posts ago people expressed their dismay at her ignorance of what is happening. Some even wrote to her only to be ignored.
I don't like heros, nor am I looking for one.
Good for you. That makes two of us.
Think of it more as an attack on lies and distortion.
Can you prove that I am lying or distorting? Is she involved in her district? Has she advocated for her district with regards to the crime increase?
 
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Who votes for her? Who butters her bread? Why would her position be called a representative if she does not represent Her district at the district level. As a voter I have always taken into consideration how they represent their district. I used the example of Sheila Jackson Lee US rep from Houston that was very involved with her district always advocating for them. Tell me, why should AOC not be held responsible for NOT advocating for her district? Why would you want to vote for someone that simply does not care except to self promote?
Not up to me. Or you, either.
 
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