Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

But it doesn't keep rising.

Neither does a balloon.

 

[Strong in Him]

Neither does a balloon.

Depends how much wind there is.

 

[Strong in Him]

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It happens all the time concerning God's free gift of Eternal Life which is received by believing in Jesus.

Which has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Flat earth Christians, globe earth Christians - both saved.

 

[d taylor]

Which has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Flat earth Christians, globe earth Christians - both saved.

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Which i was not making that, the point, but you choose to bring that up. Showing you do not really want to address point made.

 

[Strong in Him]

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Which i was not making that, the point, but you choose to bring that up. Showing you do not really want to address point made.

No, I asked you that IF the Bible had a verse/verses which said, "I, the Lord, made the earth to be flat and stationary", are you saying that Christians would not believe it?

You didn't actually answer. Your reply was, "happens all the time", and you then referred to salvation and Christians claiming that Jesus + somethings else saves - thus changing the subject.
The answer to my question was either "yes, I am saying that", or "no, I didn't mean that at all."

There are no verses/passages in Scripture where God speaks and instructs us on the shape that he made the planet. Nowhere does God tell us that the earth is flat, or round, and it is important that we believe it.

 

[Apple Sky]

There are no verses/passages in Scripture where God speaks and instructs us on the shape that he made the planet.

Your right as no way did God create a planet he created a level unmovable plain.

 

[Strong in Him]

Your right as no way did God create a planet he created a level unmovable plain.

There are no verses which say that, either.

Just as there are no verses which say that we cannot write using computers or cannot worship using PowerPoint. There are no verses which say that people cannot study how the world works, that we cannot make discoveries or invent things, that we cannot have hobbies etc etc.
The Bible does not say any of these things - and much, much more.

God could easily have told us what shape he created the earth to be if he had wanted to. He didn't - because it's not important and cannot help us spiritually in any way.

So go ahead and claim that everyone has it wrong except you, and a few others. Call everyone else liars, claim they are faking and do not have the truth. The only person who will be affected by your claims is you, because God may well want to know why you are insulting his children.

 

[Apple Sky]

There are no verses which say that people cannot study how the world works, that we cannot make discoveries or invent things, that we cannot have hobbies etc etc.

There's a difference between inventing & making stuff up.

The Bible does not say any of these things - and much, much more.

Your right the Bible doesn't tell us about many things but it does tell us the truth about the earth. sun, moon & the stars.

 

[HantsUK]

What’s wrong with Wales?

What's wrong with Wales?

This must be a trick question, because there is not such country called Wales.

Evidence:

• Here is the list of all the nations, from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe
  Member States | United Nations
  Look carefully, there in no 'Wales'. In fact, no countries beginning with W.
• A whale is a big fish. It lives in water. Countries are land based, not underwater. Naming a country after a fish must be a joke. You can't be serious! (Next, someone will name a country after a bird).
• It's not even spelt correctly. "Whales" has an 'h' which is missing from the fake country called 'Wales'.
• No real country would have a town named "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch". This is too long to enter into any website for your address. Besides HMRC wouldn't allow it as they would be unable to send any tax claims to anyone living there as this town name is too long for their computer systems.
• Wales is a conspiracy. It is just part of a complex conspiracy to extract money from Westminster from over taxed hard working families in England.
• People who claim to be Welsh have been brainwashed. Even primary school teachers are part of this conspiracy, as is the MSM.
• If Wales existed, there would be photos showing the whole country. We all know the satellite images are computer generated (CGI) so are not evidence (besides, this thread is about flat earth, so satellites do not exist).
• Maps of Wales? Modern maps are computer generated (i.e. fake). Pre-computer maps were hand drawn and the artists do not even claim to have actually seen what they painted.

This thread has been going round and round in circles. The evidence for the earth being round is overwhelming and contradicts it being flat.

Does Wales exist? Who knows? Is the earth flat or round? It is a globe. All the relevant evidence supports the earth being round and contradicts it being flat - beyond any doubt. Questioning the evidence and understanding the reasoning is good - no-one should accept this just because someone else claims it is.

Claiming the Bible teaches a flat earth results in a conflict with observable everyday reality.

So, how do we handle the very few verses which imply a flat earth? God used 'ordinary' people who wrote in their own styles and using the languages of their times, against the backdrop of the prevailing cultures. But the vast majority of 'flat earth' verses are just describing how things look from our perspective, or poetic, or describing concepts. The purpose of the Bible is to bring us into relationship with God.

The Bible does not tell us everything about everything. Not even everything about spiritual things.

 

[Strong in Him]

There's a difference between inventing & making stuff up.

Not necessarily - inventing a story about the earth being a flat, yet 40,00 foot deep shape with 4 corners is much the same as making it up.

Your right the Bible doesn't tell us about many things but it does tell us the truth about the earth. sun, moon & the stars.

Like what?
Where are the verses that talk about the number of minerals in the earth? Or tell us how fossils formed? Or explain about the Ice Age, Bronze age, Middle ages and so on and how knowledge, faith and belief developed in those times? Where are the verses which explain about the tides of the sea, how waves are formed, how deep the oceans are and the marine life that lives there? Where do we read in the Bible how many gases there are in the sun, or how it "sets"? Where does the Bible explain about light years and stars dying?

This is not the purpose of the Bible. It is not a science textbook and God did not choose to write about, or explain these things.

 

[Strong in Him]

• No real country would have a town named "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch".

You try saying it!

 

[d taylor]

No, I asked you that IF the Bible had a verse/verses which said, "I, the Lord, made the earth to be flat and stationary", are you saying that Christians would not believe it?

You didn't actually answer. Your reply was, "happens all the time", and you then referred to salvation and Christians claiming that Jesus + somethings else saves - thus changing the subject.
The answer to my question was either "yes, I am saying that", or "no, I didn't mean that at all."

There are no verses/passages in Scripture where God speaks and instructs us on the shape that he made the planet. Nowhere does God tell us that the earth is flat, or round, and it is important that we believe it.

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I did answer your question. I stated it happens all the time and gave an actual real life example of believers or people who identify as Christian. who do not believe God's word given in The Bible about God's promise that all who believe in Jesus receive Eternal Life. Because they say it takes more than belief in Jesus.

 

[Apple Sky]

Like what?

Like it is unmovable & the moon gives her own light & how the sun stopped etc etc etc ..............

 

[Strong in Him]

Like it is unmovable & the moon gives her own light & how the sun stopped etc etc etc ..............

That doesn't tell us the truth about them.
The first two are an interpretation and the last one describes what the people who were writing it believed happened. No one went into space and videoed the sun, so no one knows if it had been moving and God caused it to stop, or if the earth was moving and God caused IT to stop. The details don't matter and I shouldn't think they cared which way round it was. The effect was the same - the Israelites had continuous daylight, were able to finish their battle and defeat their enemies.
God was looking out for Israel, they had proof of it.
And all you care about is trying to prove all scientists and astronomers wrong by claiming that it was definitely the sun that stopped moving.

 

[Strong in Him]

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I did answer your question. I stated it happens all the time

So in other words, your answer was "yes. If there were verses in the Bible in which GOD said, 'I created the earth to be flat', I'm saying that Christians wouldn't believe him."

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and gave an actual real life example of believers or people who identify as Christian. who do not believe God's word given in The Bible about God's promise that all who believe in Jesus receive Eternal Life. Because they say it takes more than belief in Jesus.

It's not the same.
Either God needs us to know the shape of the earth, or he doesn't. If he does he can tell us plainly, but the shape of the earth has nothing to do with knowing God, or salvation. Debate it for another 100 years, it makes no difference to anything.
Some verses about salvation can be interpreted in different ways. For example, repent and be baptised, and we see examples in the NT of people repenting and being baptised. This has led some to say, "you HAVE to be baptised to be saved." Some have looked at the OT where God told people to keep his laws, and seem to conclude that for us to be God's people, we have to keep all those laws too.

There are so many things that happen/don't happen because of how people interpret Scripture. Henry VIII even used it to try to justify getting a divorce from his first wife - though he misquoted it too.

The Bible is not a science textbook. It does not teach the "how" of creation or give scientific explanations for the beginning of the world.
It is not there to be pulled apart and taken out of context so that people can back up their own beliefs/arguments.
Some seem to think that unless they take every word in the Bible to be literally true, that is saying they don't believe God's word. That is not the case. In fact claiming that something is literally true when the writers did not intend it to be so, is doing the Bible a disservice.

 

[Apple Sky]

Either God needs us to know the shape of the earth, or he doesn't.

God needs us to know the truth.

 

[d taylor]

So in other words, your answer was "yes. If there were verses in the Bible in which GOD said, 'I created the earth to be flat', I'm saying that Christians wouldn't believe him."

It's not the same.
Either God needs us to know the shape of the earth, or he doesn't. If he does he can tell us plainly, but the shape of the earth has nothing to do with knowing God, or salvation. Debate it for another 100 years, it makes no difference to anything.
Some verses about salvation can be interpreted in different ways. For example, repent and be baptised, and we see examples in the NT of people repenting and being baptised. This has led some to say, "you HAVE to be baptised to be saved." Some have looked at the OT where God told people to keep his laws, and seem to conclude that for us to be God's people, we have to keep all those laws too.

There are so many things that happen/don't happen because of how people interpret Scripture. Henry VIII even used it to try to justify getting a divorce from his first wife - though he misquoted it too.

The Bible is not a science textbook. It does not teach the "how" of creation or give scientific explanations for the beginning of the world.
It is not there to be pulled apart and taken out of context so that people can back up their own beliefs/arguments.
Some seem to think that unless they take every word in the Bible to be literally true, that is saying they don't believe God's word. That is not the case. In fact claiming that something is literally true when the writers did not intend it to be so, is doing the Bible a disservice.

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Take Numbers 13 where God promises the land to the Hebrews. Only 2 people (Caleb and Joshua) believed God.

So yes people do not believe God, so if you want to live in your little fantasy world you can.

 

[prodromos]

Never seen water curve.

You've never seen dew drops on a leaf?

 

[prodromos]

David Marsh proved that gravity doesn’t exist

He didn't. All he proved is that he is an idiot.

Everything around you is electric, we have electrical storms, everything to do with the sky is electric.

False statement. Wind is due to movement from high pressure to low pressure.

If you compare gravity versus electromagnetism, gravity has never been able to be measured, all they’ve done is create a theory to support the globe model, whereas electromagnetism can actually be seen.

Gravity can be, and is measured all the time, and no, electromagnetism cannot be seen. Only its effects can be seen, just like gravity.

I wouldn’t say I’ve disproven [gravity], but what I’ve proved is that electromagnetism is the only true force in nature.

Big nope. But what do you expect from someone who was convinced by Eric (the idiot) Dubay.

When you look into flat earth, the majority of research leads to electromagnetism.

Not from what I've seen.

The reason why objects fall is not because gravity is pulling it to the centre of mass, it’s simply because the object is more dense than the air around it. If you get a helium balloon and let it go, what happens? It goes up.

Density can only work if you have gravity

An exclusive interview with the flat-earther who 'disproved gravity'

"I caught the moon speeding up"

www.shortlist.com

Thank you for actually posting the source.

 

[trophy33]

Never seen water curve.