America Doesnt Want More Children

[ozso]

Less than 0.5% of the US population is transgender, so it is unlikely they are influencing the remaining 99.5% not to have children.

Transgender is only one letter out of LGBTQQIP2SA+. It seems the progressive liberal attitude is to be anything other than the standard traditional nuclear family setup.

 

[ozso]

I suppose there is a slight effect, In the past, some homosexuals would marry a person of the opposite sex and produce children. That is still the practice in some cultures today, but not so much here any more, though lesbian couples sometimes resort to a donor.

Again LGBTQQIP2SA+ is a huge spectrum that can't be quantified as homosexual or transgender. There's umpteen "_____sexual" and "_____gender" variations.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The nuclear family is not "family values." It evolved relatively recently as the workforce changed from rural/agricultural to urban/industrial.

It dates to July 1945 in the New Mexico desert...

 

[BCP1928]

Again LGBTQQIP2SA+ is a huge spectrum that can't be quantified as homosexual or transgender. There's umpteen "_____sexual" and "_____gender" variations.

None of which prevent reproduction for many of them, and in any case they remain a very small percentage of the population. Compared to the the number of straight people who have few or no children, it doesn't seem like much of an issue.

 

[ozso]

None of which prevent reproduction for many of them, and in any case they remain a very small percentage of the population. Compared to the the number of straight people who have few or no children, it doesn't seem like much of an issue.

Prevent no. There's nothing preventing reproduction. There are however several factors in today's western society discouraging reproduction.

 

[ozso]

Another factor I thought of, because I see it all the time, is adult children. I mostly notice men who fit this description. Which is lots of men in their 20s and 30s acting like teenagers, still riding skateboards, scooters, BMX bicycles, and emersed in video games. Probably still living with their parent(s).

 

[Nithavela]

I believe that mankind instinctively knows that it would be better if it died out.

It explains most of mankinds collective actions.

Everyone has their pet peeves that they can blame for the decline of population, but the refusal to reproduce when given half a chance, the vigor with which we destroy our own basis of living and the eagerness with which we kill each other leaves little doubt in my mind.

If you want to increase the rate of reproduction in western societies, I would suggest to outlaw contraception, make drinking legal for everyone age 14+ and let nature take it's course. You'd have to be a combination of two of young, stupid and drunk to procreate.

 

[Always in His Presence]

There would be a lot more babies in the United States if we stop killing them in the womb

 

[ozso]

There would be a lot more babies in the United States if we stop killing them in the womb

Indeed, wholesale abortion is another major factor. What society who callously considers children to be so unwanted and useless, as to be tossed into a clinic waste bin one after the other, has any future?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Transgender is only one letter out of LGBTQQIP2SA+. It seems the progressive liberal attitude is to be anything other than the standard traditional nuclear family setup.

All the LGBTQQIP2SA+. communities together make up less than 10% of the US population. Blaming them for decisions made by 90% of Americans is unfounded.

I believe in the nuclear family as suggested by the Bible, and numerous secular studies show that it is fundamental to a successful and healthy society. However, many couples—regardless of their beliefs or circumstances, whether due to “rapture is near” , financial limitations, or a focus on personal growth—choose not to have children. It is inaccurate to attribute this solely to progressive liberalism.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

There would be a lot more babies in the United States if we stop killing them in the womb

I agree with the above statement.

However, this is unrelated to progressive idealism.

The majority of women who seek abortions identify as Christian, while 46% are not affiliated with any Christian denomination.

• 17% of abortion patients identified as mainline Protestant;
• 13% as evangelical Protestant;
• 24% as Catholic;
• 38% reported no religious affiliation; and
• 8% reported some other affiliation.

These numbers indicate that churches in America may have shifted away from their original purpose and have become influenced by political matters. Instead of prioritizing the teaching of the Gospel and guiding congregations in living according to scripture, there appears to be an increased focus on influencing government policy.

I hold to a pro-life perspective, guided by the clarity of scripture on the issue of abortion. However, I believe that the pro-life movement has strayed from its original mission and Biblical foundations. In my view, reducing abortion in America will not be achieved through government policy, but rather through bringing unbeliever to Christ and encouraging Christians to lead lives rooted in Biblical principles. Rather than concentrating on which politicians might enact abortion bans, churches and pro-life advocates should focus on sharing the gospel, discipling their congregations, and bringing others to Christ. I believe this is the most effective approach to reducing abortion in America.

 

[ozso]

All the LGBTQQIP2SA+. communities together make up less than 10% of the US population. Blaming them for decisions made by 90% of Americans is unfounded.

Yeah, I'm not doing that. I'm saying it's probably one of many factors. Not the only factor, nor the main factor.

I believe in the nuclear family as suggested by the Bible, and numerous secular studies show that it is fundamental to a successful and healthy society. However, many couples—regardless of their beliefs or circumstances, whether due to “rapture is near” , financial limitations, or a focus on personal growth—choose not to have children.

Intentionally child free couples, which have probably increased, are another factor.

It is inaccurate to attribute this solely to progressive liberalism.

I think it's probably more prominent within the culture of progressive liberalism.

 

[BCP1928]

Prevent no. There's nothing preventing reproduction. There are however several factors in today's western society discouraging reproduction.

But as you point out, thare are groups within our society which still favor large families, so why is it a problem? Individuals within society have no individual duty to reproduce so they can remain childless if the wish.

 

[ozso]

But as you point out, thare are groups within our society which still favor large families, so why is it a problem? Individuals within society have no individual duty to reproduce so they can remain childless if the wish.

The topic of this thread is America doesn't want more children. I'm coming up with possible reasons of why that is so. That's what the discussion is.

 

[BCP1928]

The topic of this thread is America doesn't want more children. I'm coming up with possible reasons of why that is so. That's what the discussion is.

That was offered by Durangowood as an impression. On further consideration it appears that the impression is overgeneralized. Some Americans don't want more children, but others do.

 

[wing2000]

Another factor I thought of, because I see it all the time, is adult children. I mostly notice men who fit this description. Which is lots of men in their 20s and 30s acting like teenagers, still riding skateboards, scooters, BMX bicycles, and emersed in video games. Probably still living with their parent(s).

...it's a good thing they are not siring children eh?

But seriously, the primary deterrent to having children is younger couples can't afford to. The cost of housing and childcare is simply too much.

 

[ozso]

...it's a good thing they are not siring children eh?

Yes. But it's bad thing that men aren't growing up and taking on responsibility. Probably due to not having a strict enough upbringing.

But seriously, the primary deterrent to having children is younger couples can't afford to. The cost of housing and childcare is simply too much.

What about all of the ordinary younger couples who are having children though? Maybe it's more like not being able to afford children and a fancy lifestyle. People who are already living above their means.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes. But it's bad thing that men aren't growing up and taking on responsibility. Probably due to not having a strict enough upbringing.

What about all of the ordinary younger couples who are having children though? Maybe it's more like not being able to afford children and a fancy lifestyle. People who are already living above their means.

Maybe they should be given more means. Your "factors" are beginning to sound like class jealously.

 

[FireDragon76]

America Doesnt Want More Children.

Thats the impression I get. If you have children, will they get a good education with small class sizes, access to health care, a reliable housing situation? Maybe, maybe not, unless youre rich. Its a lot of maybe and doesnt sound like the right environment for having kids. Apparently a lot of people agree.

Yes, that's the elephant in the room.

J.D. Vance and Elon Musk can try to play the barkers of their techno-dystopian fertility cult, but unless the material and social conditions actually promote optimism about the future, people aren't actually going to want to have children.

Even Jesus spoke apocalyptically about a time where people would reverse the usual blessing of fecundity : ""Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed." (Luke 23:29). When things go sideways, you can't blame people for doing what comes naturally under such circrumstances.

 

[FireDragon76]

I believe that mankind instinctively knows that it would be better if it died out.

It explains most of mankinds collective actions.

Everyone has their pet peeves that they can blame for the decline of population, but the refusal to reproduce when given half a chance, the vigor with which we destroy our own basis of living and the eagerness with which we kill each other leaves little doubt in my mind.

If you want to increase the rate of reproduction in western societies, I would suggest to outlaw contraception, make drinking legal for everyone age 14+ and let nature take it's course. You'd have to be a combination of two of young, stupid and drunk to procreate.

You're generalizing from present conditions, dominated by a neo-liberal and post-colonialist world order, onto humanity in general.

People in indigenous societies, for instance, tended to prioritise relational responsibility, not just with present generations, but with future generations and the land. They don't celebrate uncontrolled growth as progress, but lived within limits presented by their environment as they understand it.