Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

Wh

Which specific sentence?

And the sun stood still.

 

[Strong in Him]

Wrong.

No, and if you think the purpose of the Bible IS to teach the shape of the earth, if you think God cares about that, it makes a difference to the Gospel or people will convert to the faith when they learn what that shape is, you really don't understand it, the Gospel or God.
I suggest you need to do a lot more reading and studying.

Correct.

Agreed.

Why does my statement on the Gospel and what God wants for us cause you to pray?
Because you think I'm wrong and need to pray for my soul? Because you don't understand and want to pray for enlightenment - what?

I don't think my arguments are as daft as this.

It's an analogy.
We are created, saved and loved by the Creator of the universe who wants a relationship with us.
We have every spiritual blessing in Christ.
Instead of writing threads and posts praising God for the awesomeness of his creation and the fact that we are God's children and heirs together with Christ, your posts are all, "this is the shape that God made this earth to be". You're not looking at God, his amazing love, grace and blessings you're concentrating on unimportant details that are completely irrelevant.

 

[Apple Sky]

No, and if you think the purpose of the Bible IS to teach the shape of the earth

And why shouldn't it ? God the creator is very proud of his creation the earth.

Why does my statement on the Gospel and what God wants for us cause you to pray?

This was my way of commending you for your words.

You're not looking at God, his amazing love, grace and blessings you're concentrating on unimportant details that are completely irrelevant.

I don't have to look I feel his love daily.

you're concentrating on unimportant details that are completely irrelevant.

So you think that God's creation is unimportant & irrelevant ?

 

[Strong in Him]

And why shouldn't it ? God the creator is very proud of his creation the earth.

Yes. But his aim was not to describe to us how he made it - and he doesn't. He doesn't tell us HOW he made everything from nothing. He doesn't describe how he created insects' immune systems, how seeds grow, why he decided to give birds feathers and a trillion and one other things.

He graciously allows humans to discover how.

This was my way of commending you for your words.

Oh, I see; thank you.

I don't have to look I feel his love daily.

Fantastic!
But we can never look at God too much - and it is HE who is important.

So you think that God's creation is unimportant & irrelevant ?

The shape of the earth is unimportant and irrelevant - please read my post carefully.
It can't save us.
It doesn't fill us with God's Spirit.
It doesn't bring us closer to God.
It doesn't increase our faith, make God love us more, give us more love, hope or anything else.

I am a Christian; born again, Spirit filled and a child of God. I read the Bible, believe Genesis 1, have eternal life and so on..
If I said to you tomorrow - "ok, you win; the earth is flat," I would still be a born again, Spirit filled, Bible believing Christian who had eternal life.
Nothing would be any different. I could go round telling the whole of Chester that the earth was flat; it would detract from my Christian witness but it would make no difference to the Gospel to my spiritual life or to God's love, grace and blessings.

 

[prodromos]

There's no denying it, the sun & the moon stood still.

…12On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” 13So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” 14There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel.

That is what the Israelites observed, but it does not describe the mechanics that produced that phenomenon.
On a globe earth, that would have been the observation if God stopped the earth from rotating. The sun and moon would have stopped and stayed in the same place.
On a flat earth the same would have been achieved by having the sun and moon stop their magical journey around the 'firmament'.
The result would have been the same, so it does not prove the shape of the earth one way or the other, whereas basic things like sunrise and sunset actually disprove the flat earth, as do the different constellations visible in the Northern and Southern hemispheres.

 

[prodromos]

Yes OK

Obviously you don't think God is capable of stopping the earth from turning. I believe God is the absolute master of His incredibly vast creation whereas you believe all God created was a huge snow globe with sparkles in the dome, so I understand why you have issues imagining what such a limited and finite god can do.

 

[Apple Sky]

That is what the Israelites observed, but it does not describe the mechanics that produced that phenomenon.
On a globe earth, that would have been the observation if God stopped the earth from rotating. The sun and moon would have stopped and stayed in the same place.
On a flat earth the same would have been achieved by having the sun and moon stop their magical journey around the 'firmament'.
The result would have been the same, so it does not prove the shape of the earth one way or the other, whereas basic things like sunrise and sunset actually disprove the flat earth, as do the different constellations visible in the Northern and Southern hemispheres.

Obviously you don't think God is capable of stopping the earth from turning. I believe God is the absolute master of His incredibly vast creation whereas you believe all God created was a huge snow globe with sparkles in the dome, so I understand why you have issues imagining what such a limited and finite god can do.

God didn't stop the earth moving as the earth doesn't move. It is the sun, moon and the stars that move.

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. Psalm 104:5

 

[d taylor]

What's the one verse that you think best supports a flat Earth?

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Earth in The Bible does not mean a water covered sphere with land scattered around the sphere.

Earth mean land/ground, it is just like the flood, only the earth was covered in water, the seas were not covered. At the time of the flood the earth was one circular piece of land.

For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.”
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Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.
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And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth.
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And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
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Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.
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The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.
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And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.
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And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

 

[David Lamb]

There's no denying it, the sun & the moon stood still.

…12On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” 13So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” 14There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel.

But that says absolutely nothing about the shape of the earth, does it?

 

[Strong in Him]

God didn't stop the earth moving as the earth doesn't move.

In your non-scientific opinion.

 

[Apple Sky]

But that says absolutely nothing about the shape of the earth, does it?

No - But it does tell us that earth does not move.

 

[Apple Sky]

In your non-scientific opinion.

It can be difficult to identify exact boundaries between science and non-science.

Natural sciences: the study of natural phenomena (including cosmological, geological, physical, chemical, and biological factors of the universe.

 

[Strong in Him]

It can be difficult to identify exact boundaries between science and non-science.

How so?
Much of the science that I remember from school was based on observation, knowledge and testing - performing experiments to find out if a theory was correct. EG "if we mix these two chemicals together, based on what we know about each chemical we can be fairly sure that X will happen." And then we do it and find out if the theory was correct.
Or someone might say, "if you turn on a light, after a while the bulb will become hot as heat is generated". Someone else doubts the statement or says it is nonsense, so the easiest way to prove it is to do it and see for yourself.

Natural sciences: the study of natural phenomena (including cosmological, geological, physical, chemical, and biological factors of the universe.

Are you saying that these things aren't science?

 

[prodromos]

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. Psalm 104:5

And it has remained locked in orbit around the sun ever since. The foundations are the very physics of God's creation.

 

[Apple Sky]

And it has remained locked in orbit around the sun ever since. The foundations are the very physics of God's creation.

If the earth is unmovable how can it be in orbit & rotating ?

 

[Larniavc]

And the sun stood still.

The Sun could stand still over a globe Earth. How does the Sun standing still support a flat Earth but not a globe Earth?

 

[Larniavc]

God the creator is very proud of his creation the earth.

Unlikely. Pride being one of the things God hates:

Proverbs 6:16-19, there are seven things that God hates: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift to run to evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a person who sows discord among brothers.

Have you even read the Bible?

 

[Larniavc]

Earth in The Bible does not mean a water covered sphere with land scattered around the sphere.

Yes it does.

 

[Larniavc]

It can be difficult to identify exact boundaries between science and non-science.

It is easy to know what science is if you have had an education in science. Let's not overcomplicate things.

 

[Larniavc]

If the earth is unmovable how can it be in orbit & rotating ?

The Earth moves all the time. Have you never heard of tectonic drift?