How old is the earth?

[tonychanyt]

You posted different space coordinates.

one for the wine, another for the human servants who saw the miracle. They were located at two different spots.

There would still need to be differing speeds at a significant rate or differing gravitational fields.

Why?

This seems like a lot of fuss when God can simply manipulate molecules.

Right.

 

[Mercy Shown]

one for the wine, another for the human servants who saw the miracle. They were located at two different spots.



Why?

It is the way relativity works in theory.

Right.

 

[tonychanyt]

It is the way relativity works in theory.

The space-time framework obeys relativity. There are mathematical laws that govern the physical reality.

On the other hand, within the everyday witnessed-time framework, there are certain time moments and specific locations when laws of physics, such as relativity, are skipped. These are miraculous events. Changing water into wine was one such event, and special creation was another.

These are two different frameworks or perspectives of looking at reality.

 

[Diamond72]

How old is this wine?

At least 4.5 billion years old. At least the water that He turned into wine.

 

[FredVB]

I can accept the earth, within the universe, is much older than several thousand years, along with it. It would be while the earth was what the Bible says was formless, or as I understand it to mean, unformed. So as there was the creation week with six days of everything on this world being created, before that, however long it was, the world was just a barren planet like others are, with nothing on it distinguishing it much. But God chose this planet to be where he would house the life we can now see here, and he made it all with the very hospitable environments, within the six days there was creation being done by God as we see described. And this was then the one thing that God said was very good, in the whole Bible. No harm or problem was in it, before the rebellion at the fall of humanity with sin.

 

[Platte]

I can accept the earth, within the universe, is much older than several thousand years, along with it. It would be while the earth was what the Bible says was formless, or as I understand it to mean, unformed. So as there was the creation week with six days of everything on this world being created, before that, however long it was, the world was just a barren planet like others are, with nothing on it distinguishing it much. But God chose this planet to be where he would house the life we can now see here, and he made it all with the very hospitable environments, within the six days there was creation being done by God as we see described. And this was then the one thing that God said was very good, in the whole Bible. No harm or problem was in it, before the rebellion at the fall of humanity with sin.

Does that mean you don't believe Adam was created as a man?

 

[FredVB]

Does that mean you don't believe Adam was created as a man?

God created the first man, and he was called Adam, according to what is shown in the Bible. Why should any not believe that?

 

[trophy33]

I can accept the earth, within the universe, is much older than several thousand years, along with it. It would be while the earth was what the Bible says was formless, or as I understand it to mean, unformed. So as there was the creation week with six days of everything on this world being created, before that, however long it was, the world was just a barren planet like others are, with nothing on it distinguishing it much. But God chose this planet to be where he would house the life we can now see here, and he made it all with the very hospitable environments, within the six days there was creation being done by God as we see described. And this was then the one thing that God said was very good, in the whole Bible. No harm or problem was in it, before the rebellion at the fall of humanity with sin.

This is neither biblical nor scientific, though.

Bible clearly states that God created everything, including heavens, in 6 days. Not just life on this planet.

And science clearly states that the life on this planet was not created in 6 days.

Therefore, I see no usefulness in your offered explanation. It fits nowhere.

 

[Platte]

God created the first man, and he was called Adam, according to what is shown in the Bible. Why should any not believe that?

I guess my question was more specifically - do you believe Adam was created as a grown man? (many on this site do not believe that)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

God created the earth with the embedded evolutionary records of billions of years of real history.

Why would God create such an illusion of time.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

This is neither biblical nor scientific, though.

Bible clearly states that God created everything, including heavens, in 6 days. Not just life on this planet.

And science clearly states that the life on this planet was not created in 6 days.

Therefore, I see no usefulness in your offered explanation. It fits nowhere.

It only fits for those who insist on reconciling a strictly literal historical interpretation of the creation narratives with current science..

 

[trophy33]

It only fits for those who insist on reconciling a strictly literal historical interpretation of the creation narratives with current science..

How? Instead of reconciling, it contradicts both. What is such position good for, then?

 

[Platte]

Why would God create such an illusion of time.

There is an answer to your question if you look for it.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Why would God create such an illusion of time.

I have also asked this question. But God is a master illusionist, and if He wanted to trick us, He certainly could. And if He succeeds (which He always does) and we are fooled, that would only glorify Him, and we would have to praise Him for the success. But the question remains, why would He do this? Moreover, we would also have to ask if He is tricking us in other places also. Are we believing things that are not true? What about the gospel? Has He led us to believe this gospel when it is not true? He wants to trick us to show He can and then condemn us when He is successful in His ruse? Are we believing in a salvation which is a ruse? I think you may see why I do not believe that God deceived us by creating a world and universe that appears to be billions of years old, but is only a few thousand years old. We can only have faith in God because we trust He tells us the truth and never deceives us. If He deceives us, we can't have faith.

 

[The Barbarian]

Why would God create such an illusion of time.

Since God is truth, He would not do this. Deception is the work of another supernatural being. I've actually see YECs claiming that the evidence for evolution was faked by Satan to deceive us.

Which is clearly factually wrong, but at least not an insult to God.

 

[Platte]

Since God is truth, He would not do this. Deception is the work of another supernatural being. I've actually see YECs claiming that the evidence for evolution was faked by Satan to deceive us.

Which is clearly factually wrong, but at least not an insult to God.

I'm still thinking where to begin in order to explain this to you.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'm still thinking where to begin in order to explain this to you.

I guess you could start by showing us that God is not truthful. Or are you thinking that the evidence for age of the Earth is Satan's fakery?

 

[Platte]

I guess you could start by showing us that God is not truthful. Or are you thinking that the evidence for age of the Earth is Satan's fakery?

Sorcery is from satan too!

 

[The Barbarian]

I guess you could start by showing us that God is not truthful. Or are you thinking that the evidence for age of the Earth is Satan's fakery?

Sorcery is from satan too!

So you think Satan faked all the evidence we see, of an ancient Earth? Do you have anything to support that belief?

 

[Platte]

I guess you could start by showing us that God is not truthful. Or are you thinking that the evidence for age of the Earth is Satan's fakery?


So you think Satan faked all the evidence we see, of an ancient Earth? Do you have anything to support that belief?

My point is people who didn’t understand, thought the things Jesus did was from Satan too. Once they understood, they begin to realize what was actually happening and it had nothing to do with sorcery