Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

[Bob S]

I don't necessarily see the Ten Commandments being obsolete, merely relativized. I don't see Jesus as being antimonian in the usual sense it is understood, nor do I think that's the point of the NT's epistles, either. Rules are good, but sometimes some rules are more important than others, and sometimes rules even have to be broken. That is how (spiritually) mature and healthy people deal with reality. They don't put their ideals ahead of concrete human relationships and growth.

Then you have not read 2Cor3:6-11.

 

[Studyman]

One poster claims Jesus didn't fulfill ALL the Law, but Jesus in Matt 5: 17 said; “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Notice Jesus didn't say some of the laws, like the poster claims, because there is no qualifier in His words. Then Jesus went on to tell us that nothing could be removed from said Law until everything was accomplished. The poster also claims that indeed some of the commands of the Law have been fulfilled and are no longer required to be kept. It appears that the poster has been given the discretion to choose what commands can be disregarded.

To those of us posters that believe Jesus did what He came to do, fulfill all the Law, the poster threatens that unless we abide by the commands of the Law we are in a lawless state. According to him/her we have to keep the commands of the Law with emphasis on the Sabbath command in order to be saved.

So, the reason for this thread is to discuss Matt 5:17-18. Did Jesus fail to fulfill what He came to do or did He keep His word and during His stay on this Earth bring an end to the Law? We have no qualms about His fulfilling and bringing to a final end the prophecies concerning Him. Why do some hesitate to believe He did the same for the Law?

If you believed in this Jesus, that is, the Jesus "of the Bible", you would know that Jesus is still fulfilling the LAW. In fact, HE is fulfilling the weightier matters of the Law, like Mercy and Longsuffering, and compassion. According to what is actually written in Scriptures, Jesus, the Jesus "of the Bible" is to this day, being an "Advocate" between me and His Father "According to the Law". And will continue to do so until HE returns, which has yet to be fulfilled.

The deceiver would have us believe this Biblical Truth is a lie, and that Jesus already did everything for you, and now you can create your own religion, reject God's Judgments and Statutes, create your own images of God and your own high days in worship of this image, and you are blameless. But the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself, exposes this deception.

Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give "every man" according as his work shall be.

You are still alive, making choices. You can still repent and turn away from this world's religious system, and turn to God with your heart, mind and body, as Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile.

Rom. 12: 1 I beseech (BEG) you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a "living sacrifice", holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The fact that you are still here, and Jesus is still advocating between us and God is proof of God's Mercy, that HE is still fulfilling the Law and Prophets, and also proof that "ALL" has not yet been fulfilled, because you still have a chance to turn away from the gods of this world, and turn to the Christ, "of the Bible".

 

[HIM]

No. you either under the law or under Grace. if you sin while under Grace then you have the blood of Christ to cleanse you of your sin.

I see you are not the only one who is confused in respect to this. Romans 6:14 is very telling in respect to what it means to be under grace. One can start in chapter 5 and read on through to see the context as it comes to culmination in chapter 6.

Romans 2:13 is often mistranslated. It doesn't actually say under the Law it says in the Law. That being said in respect to those study it and it is the very thing that is their lifestyle. Hence why a lot of translations translate under. Galatians agrees with Romans 6. One can start in chapter 1 to find the premise and read on through as it builds.

Here are the ten verses where it is.


Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under (in not under) the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
1Cor 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Cor 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[HIM]

Then you have not read 2Cor3:6-11.

Why post this? They more than likely have as you, yet have another understanding of it.

You have read it. Why not just post your understanding of it?

 

[Studyman]

All of the law was fulfilled by Christ including the moral law, the prescriptive law, and any other part of the 613 laws in the Old Testament. The old covenant is done, cooked, completed, finished. All laws are now in the Spirit. All of them. No one was ever saved by the old laws, period. Everyone ever has been saved by faith, not laws. In the new covenant those in Christ are saved by the grace of God through Faith in Jesus Christ.

BTW, driving 55 sucked even when it was instituted.

FYI, there is not one person in the History of the Bible, that God placed 613 laws on. NOT One Person. This is an insidious lie furthered by the promoters of this world's religious system. It is not true, and you can find no evidence in the Bible that it is true. Don't fall for the deception of the internet.

If the speed limit is 55, that is 1 Law. The deceiver would corrupt this by saying, "thou shall not drive 60, "thou shall not drive 65", "thou shall not drive 70", "thou shall not drive 75", "thou shall not drive 80", "thou shall not drive 85", "thou shall not drive 90", "thou shall not drive 95", "thou shall not drive 100", and then tell you, "The state has placed a Yoke of Bondage of 10 speed limit laws".

If you go the the actual Bible, and read the accounts of the examples of "Faith" that the Spirit of Christ inspired to be written, "For our sakes no doubt", you will find "ONE" common uniting "work" chosen by EVERY example of Faithful man in the entire Bible. And that was obedience to God's Commandments HE gave to us though the Christ, by whom all things were created.

Obedience to God, over the other religious voices of this world God placed us in, "Who profess to know God", who might even quote "SOME" of God's Word, IS FAITH. (See Eve and the other voice in the garden God placed her in.)

 

[Bob S]

Well considering that we do actually see laws being abolished in the New Testament that to me seems to be a pretty clear indication that whatever “all” was supposed to refer to in the term “until all is fulfilled” it must’ve been fulfilled already otherwise we shouldn’t be seeing laws like the dietary laws, sabbaths, and circumcision being abolished yet.

Jesus brought the prophecies about His coming to an end. He had to have brought all of the Sinai covenant laws to an end because not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law until He did what He came to do. We wouldn't see the Levitical laws being brought to an end if Jesus had not finished all He came to do.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus brought the prophecies about His coming to an end. He had to have brought all of the Sinai covenant laws to an end because not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law until He did what He came to do. We wouldn't see the Levitical laws being brought to an end if Jesus had not finished all He came to do.

The Levitical Priesthood was prophesied to end, being temporary in it's conception. If Jesus were to continue in the sacrifices and offerings prescribed in the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", He would be in direct violation of the Law and Prophets, and the New Covenant as described by the Spirit of Christ through Jeremiah. After all, HE was the Priest of God who was prophesied to come, "After those days".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus never said He came to destroy all the prophecies expect for His first coming

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Which would include all the Prophets who prophesized about His Second Coming when He promised to put an end to sin and sinners

Like His Prophet Isaiah

Isa 12:14 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

And His Prophet and Apostles John prophesied- not destroyed

Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”


Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

This can't be referring to the law of Moses that was placed outside the ark because we see the the animal sacrifices ended when Jesus became our Sacrifice for sins in the NT Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:10-15 so there is a law that not a jot or tittle will pass.

That leaves the Ten Commandments that was inside the ark of the covenant, that God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own voice placed under His mercy seat in the Most Holy of His Temple which we see at the last Trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19 God's own Testimony Exo 31:18 and if we can't believe His own Testimony, not sure the rest of the Bible will make a difference because that's what the Bible is about the testimony of God- who is Jesus Christ, though the prophets and apostles.,

God's Testimony stands forever (His version) just as He promised Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle will pass until all is fulfilled and that's when Jesus comes in the clouds and makes a new heaven and new earth

Therefore:

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

According to the next verse means lost

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does Jesus really want us to worship other gods, vain His holy name, steal, murder or break the least of these commandments. Of course not. This is not a doctrine coming from Christ as He clearly stated.

 

[Hentenza]

FYI, there is not one person in the History of the Bible, that God placed 613 laws on. NOT One Person. This is an insidious lie furthered by the promoters of this world's religious system. It is not true, and you can find no evidence in the Bible that it is true. Don't fall for the deception of the internet.

If the speed limit is 55, that is 1 Law. The deceiver would corrupt this by saying, "thou shall not drive 60, "thou shall not drive 65", "thou shall not drive 70", "thou shall not drive 75", "thou shall not drive 80", "thou shall not drive 85", "thou shall not drive 90", "thou shall not drive 95", "thou shall not drive 100", and then tell you, "The state has placed a Yoke of Bondage of 10 speed limit laws".

If you go the the actual Bible, and read the accounts of the examples of "Faith" that the Spirit of Christ inspired to be written, "For our sakes no doubt", you will find "ONE" common uniting "work" chosen by EVERY example of Faithful man in the entire Bible. And that was obedience to God's Commandments HE gave to us though the Christ, by whom all things were created.

Obedience to God, over the other religious voices of this world God placed us in, "Who profess to know God", who might even quote "SOME" of God's Word, IS FAITH. (See Eve and the other voice in the garden God placed her in.)

There you go.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

 

[Hentenza]

Jesus never said He came to destroy all the prophecies expect for His first coming

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Which would include all the Prophets who prophesized about His Second Coming when He promised to put an end to sin and sinners

Like His Prophet Isaiah

Isa 12:14 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

And His Prophet and Apostles John prophesied- not destroyed

Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”


Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

This can't be referring to the law of Moses that was placed outside the ark because we see the the animal sacrifices ended when Jesus became our Sacrifice for sins in the NT Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:10-15 so there is a law that not a jot or tittle will pass.

That leaves the Ten Commandments that was inside the ark of the covenant, that God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own voice placed under His mercy seat in the Most Holy of His Temple which we see at the last Trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19 God's own Testimony Exo 31:18 and if we can't believe His own Testimony, not sure the rest of the Bible will make a difference because that's what the Bible is about the testimony of God- who is Jesus Christ, though the prophets and apostles.,

God's Testimony stands forever (His version) just as He promised Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle will pass until all is fulfilled and that's when Jesus comes in the clouds and makes a new heaven and new earth

Therefore:

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

According to the next verse means lost

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does Jesus really want us to worship other gods, vain His holy name, steal, murder or break the least of these commandments. Of course not. This is not a doctrine coming from Christ as He clearly stated.

Fulfill not destroy. Jesus fulfilled ALL of the law perfectly.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Fulfill not destroy. Jesus fulfilled ALL of the law perfectly.

Yes, He did, He showed us how to do this by His life yet still said


Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

So He never taught because He showed us how to keep God's law that we can now start worshipping other gods, stealing or breaking the least of these commandments. He said those who do and teach others to break will be least in heaven and according to His teachings means not there. Its all about choices

Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

 

[Bob S]

If you believed in this Jesus, that is, the Jesus "of the Bible", you would know that Jesus is still fulfilling the LAW. In fact, HE is fulfilling the weightier matters of the Law, like Mercy and Longsuffering, and compassion. According to what is actually written in Scriptures, Jesus, the Jesus "of the Bible" is to this day, being an "Advocate" between me and His Father "According to the Law". And will continue to do so until HE returns, which has yet to be fulfilled.

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. There are other matters Jesus will fulfill, but the fact is He was specific in what He fulfilled..

The deceiver would have us believe this Biblical Truth is a lie, and that Jesus already did everything for you, and now you can create your own religion, reject God's Judgments and Statutes, create your own images of God and your own high days in worship of this image, and you are blameless. But the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself, exposes this deception.

Actually, Jesus did do everything for us. "He himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace," Eph 2:14-15

The fact that you are still here, and Jesus is still advocating between us and God is proof of God's Mercy, that HE is still fulfilling the Law and Prophets, and also proof that "ALL" has not yet been fulfilled, because you still have a chance to turn away from the gods of this world, and turn to the Christ, "of the Bible".

If that is how you discern Matt 5: 17-18, then the sacrificial system is still enforced, you must allow your sideburns to grow, when your home has some mold, it must be torn down. In other words, not one jot or one tittle of the Law can be disregarded; you are subject to every commandment God had Moses write in the Book of the Law concerning all who are under the dictates of the Old Covenant.. How about getting real for a change?

 

[Studyman]

There you go.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

1. Not to indulge in familiarities with relatives, such as kissing, embracing, winking, skipping, which may lead to incest (Lev. 18:6) (CCN110).
2. Not to commit incest with one's mother (Lev. 18:7) (CCN112). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
3. Not to commit sodomy with one's father (Lev. 18:7) (CCN111).
4. Not to commit incest with one's father's wife (Lev. 18:8) (CCN113). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
5. Not to commit incest with one's sister (Lev. 18:9) (CCN127). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
6. Not to commit incest with one's father's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:11) (CCN128). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
7. Not to commit incest with one's son's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the next as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
8. Not to commit incest with one's daughter's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the previous as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
9. Not to commit incest with one's daughter (this is not explicitly in the Torah but is inferred from other explicit commands that would include it) (CCN120). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
10. Not to commit incest with one's fathers sister (Lev. 18:12) (CCN129). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
11. Not to commit incest with one's mother's sister (Lev. 18:13) (CCN130). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
12. Not to commit incest with one's father's brothers wife (Lev. 18:14) (CCN125). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
13. Not to commit sodomy with one's father's brother (Lev. 18:14) (CCN114).
14. Not to commit incest with one's son's wife (Lev. 18:15) (CCN115). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
15. Not to commit incest with one's brother's wife (Lev. 18:16) (CCN126). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
16. Not to commit incest with one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN121). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
17. Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's son (Lev. 18:17) (CCN122). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
18. Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN123). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Surely you can see the deception here. The Law of God is, "Don't commit incest". Yet the deceiver that you are trusting, has convinced you that there are 18 laws here that God placed on your neck, that Jesus came to abolish, and you are teaching others that they are "done, cooked, completed, finished". So I guess in your religion, incest is acceptable "Christian" behavior.

But Your internet copy and paste doesn't justify the insidious lie that God placed on the necks of all men who trusted Him, 613 Laws. It's a lie, a deception, and your copy and paste proves the point.

The truth is, the prince of this world wants men to believe, just as it convinced Eve, that you can not trust God. It "professes to know God", and even quotes "Some" of God's Words, just like your adopted teachers did in the internet sermon you posted.

But as you can see, this is just one example of many which shows to deception of the internet post.

The truth is, Jesus walked in Every Commandment of God, and anyone who teaches that God placed 613 Laws on Him or anyone, is a liar and a deceiver.

You should be more careful whose voice you choose to adopt.

 

[Bob S]

Yes, He did, He showed us how to do this by His life yet still said


Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

This was true until Jesus, at Calvary, fulfilled all of the laws of the Old Covenant. Not one jot or one tittle would pass from the Law until He fulfilled the Law. How come even you believe He fulfilled ( brought to an end) the Sacrificial system, the feasts days, and the new moon celebrations?

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Just before He asks us to keep His commandments He said that He kept His Father's commandments. What commands did the Father impose on the Israelites? They were the commands Moses wrote in the Book of the Law. Jesus' command is that we love our fellow man LIKE JESUS LOVES US. There seems to be something wrong with what you are trying to make us believe.

So He never taught because He showed us how to keep God's law that we can now start worshipping other gods, stealing or breaking the least of these commandments. He said those who do and teach others to break will be least in heaven and according to His teachings means not there. Its all about choices

He didn't teach that Gentiles must keep the Sabbath, new moons and feast days. In Eph 2 Paul wrote 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.

The law and regulations were given to only one nation, Israel. So, even the Jews are not under the laws of the Old Covenant.

Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Obedience to what and who? I certainly do not have to be obedient to the laws of the Old Covenant, like you are trying to convince others. I am held responsible to Jesus and His new command to love others as He loves us. If I didn't love you, all the writers on the forum and the lurkers, I would not feel obligated to enlighten all to the simple Gospel, the real truth.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. There are other matters Jesus will fulfill, but the fact is He was specific in what He fulfilled..

Yes, HE was pretty clear whose voice I am to "Live by" until HE returns. And it isn't the Pope or his protectant daughters.

Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And Yes, HE is still an advocate between God and me.

2 Pet. 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Actually, Jesus did do everything for us. "He himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace," Eph 2:14-15

The sad part Bob, is that you have been convinced by the prince of this world, though it's religious system, that GOD created the dividing wall of hostility

That it was God's commands and regulations that relegated Faithful Gentiles as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world".

You have listened to the "other voice" in the garden God placed you in, and now believe and promote to others that it was "GOD" that led men astray, and that Jesus had to come and save you from GOD, and His Laws.

But if you were to turn away from this world's preachers, "who transform themselves into Apostles of Christ", and consider what is actually written, you would know who Paul said was calling the Faithful Gentiles the "Uncircumcision".

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision "by that" which is called "the Circumcision" in the flesh made by hands; Are these not the Pharisees? And if not, then who did Paul call the "Circumcision"?

And the Jesus "of the Bible" already told you about the Pharisees who sat in Moses seat, that they taught for doctrines, "the commandments of men" and not God.

And I have posted His inspired Words in and attempt to persuade you to "hear Him". But you will not be persuaded, and Jesus tells me why as well.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I just hope maybe there are others here who are pricked in the heart, when they read what the Scriptures actually say.

If that is how you discern Matt 5: 17-18, then the sacrificial system is still enforced, you must allow your sideburns to grow, when your home has some mold, it must be torn down.

It is no surprise that you mock God and His instruction in righteousness, not understanding what HE means, nor interested in finding out.

But the hypocrisy is astonishing. You will preach all day that you "Ate Jesus Flesh" and you "Drank Jesus Blood", claiming Life, accepting perfectly that these are symbolic of an important requirement of God for His Salvation. But you refuse to spend even one minute seeking what the Same Christ, as the Rock of Israel, meant when HE said, "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard".

In other words, not one jot or one tittle of the Law can be disregarded; you are subject to every commandment God had Moses write in the Book of the Law concerning all who are under the dictates of the Old Covenant.. How about getting real for a change?

When you show me where you found the Blood of Jesus to drink, and His Flesh to eat, and where God's Laws relegated Faithful "non-Jews/strangers" as without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world, then perhaps we can have an honest biblical discussion about what is real and what is not.

Until then, you are just another of the "many" promoters of this world's religions, "who call Jesus Lord, Lord".

 

[Clare73]

Yes, HE was pretty clear whose voice I am to "Live by" until HE returns. And it isn't the Pope or his protectant daughters.
Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
And Yes, HE is still an advocate between God and me.

2 Pet. 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
The sad part Bob, is that you have been convinced by the prince of this world, though it's religious system, that GOD created the dividing wall of hostility

Is that the best you can do?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It matters not. . .they are all fulfilled in the all-encompassing law of love (Ro 13:10). . .no other law needs to be considered.

Well sure it matters because if laws have been abolished then that’s an obvious indication that all has been fulfilled.

 

[BNR32FAN]

True - "abolish" does not mean "continue" and "pass away" does not mean "continues on".

Indeed - Jesus fulfilled the Law to "not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 perfectly.
He also fulfilled the Law to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:8 fulfilled perfectly. Rom 13, Matt 22, ...
He also perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12. Eph 6:1-3

Good thing "fulfill" does not mean "deleted"



ITs the same law.

We see it in Eph 6:1-2
We see it in Rom 13, Matt 22, James 2 ...

prescriptive Law (moral law) defines what sin is EVEN in the NT - James 4:2 and it is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 according to Hebrews 8 quoting Jer 31 verbatim.

You didn’t answer my question, have any of the laws been abolished?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus brought the prophecies about His coming to an end. He had to have brought all of the Sinai covenant laws to an end because not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law until He did what He came to do. We wouldn't see the Levitical laws being brought to an end if Jesus had not finished all He came to do.

I agree that Jesus had fulfilled the law but the entire Mosaic law has not been abolished. I would say that the ceremonial laws and rituals have been abolished but not the moral laws.

 

[Clare73]

Well sure it matters because if laws have been abolished then that’s an obvious indication that all has been fulfilled.

And what did the defilement laws fulfill?