GOODBYE, STRAIGHT MEN The real state of U.S. seminaries today

[Michie]

Pope Leo XIV recently addressed a large group of seminarians in Rome for a special Jubilee week, thanking them for their willingness to devote their lives to the Church. If the number of major seminarians worldwide has fallen 12% over the past twelve years, one reason is due to the increase in the number of homosexual bishops, priests, and seminarians in the Americas and Europe which has had a negative impact on the retention and recruitment of heterosexual priests and seminarians.

After graduating as the valedictorian of his high school class, Anthony Gorgia from Staten Island, New York, was offered a full scholarship with a stipend to a prestigious university. Having felt called by Christ to be a priest since he was six-years old, Gorgia turned down the scholarship to pursue his vocation to the priesthood. After graduating summa cum laude from St. John’s University with a master’s degree in philosophy, Georgia was sent by New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan to study theology in Rome at the Pontifical Gregorian University. Even though he maintained a 4.0 grade point average and received outstanding evaluations, Cardinal Dolan informed Gorgia, half-way through his second year of theology, that he was being discontinued based on the advice of the North American College (NAC) rector, Father Peter Harman. Dolan refused five requests to meet with Gorgia and his parents because he knew Gorgia’s dismissal was unjust.

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GOODBYE, STRAIGHT MEN

The real state of U.S. seminaries today

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[RileyG]

Praying the Holy Spirit cleans up this mess!

 

[chevyontheriver]

Pope Leo XIV recently addressed a large group of seminarians in Rome for a special Jubilee week, thanking them for their willingness to devote their lives to the Church. If the number of major seminarians worldwide has fallen 12% over the past twelve years, one reason is due to the increase in the number of homosexual bishops, priests, and seminarians in the Americas and Europe which has had a negative impact on the retention and recruitment of heterosexual priests and seminarians.

After graduating as the valedictorian of his high school class, Anthony Gorgia from Staten Island, New York, was offered a full scholarship with a stipend to a prestigious university. Having felt called by Christ to be a priest since he was six-years old, Gorgia turned down the scholarship to pursue his vocation to the priesthood. After graduating summa cum laude from St. John’s University with a master’s degree in philosophy, Georgia was sent by New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan to study theology in Rome at the Pontifical Gregorian University. Even though he maintained a 4.0 grade point average and received outstanding evaluations, Cardinal Dolan informed Gorgia, half-way through his second year of theology, that he was being discontinued based on the advice of the North American College (NAC) rector, Father Peter Harman. Dolan refused five requests to meet with Gorgia and his parents because he knew Gorgia’s dismissal was unjust.

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GOODBYE, STRAIGHT MEN

The real state of U.S. seminaries today

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This is really sad. Good normal young men who would make good priests are pushed away from their vocation by these deviants. Or they are inducted into the Millstone Club. St. Damian pray for us.

Making this known is sordid but it needs to move the selection of bishops, of seminary staff, of seminarians, and of who gets ordained. We already have a document from the days of John Paul II that says that nobody with homosexual issues is to be ordained. But that got ignored.

 

[RileyG]

This is really sad. Good normal young men who would make good priests are pushed away from their vocation by these deviants. Or they are inducted into the Millstone Club. St. Damian pray for us.

Making this known is sordid but it needs to move the selection of bishops, of seminary staff, of seminarians, and of who gets ordained. We already have a document from the days of John Paul II that says that nobody with homosexual issues is to be ordained. But that got ignored.

I’m sure if homosexuals weren’t ordained to the priesthood, 99.9% of the abuse problems would go away. Just an educated guess.

 

[johansen]

I’m sure if homosexuals weren’t ordained to the priesthood, 99.9% of the abuse problems would go away. Just an educated guess.

Wouldn't make much difference.
4% have been accused. The same percentage as everyone else.

Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males

The priesthood is being cast as the refuge of pederasts. In fact, priests seem to abuse children at the same rate as everyone else.

www.newsweek.com

 

[RileyG]

Wouldn't make much difference.
4% have been accused. The same percentage as everyone else.

Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males

The priesthood is being cast as the refuge of pederasts. In fact, priests seem to abuse children at the same rate as everyone else.

www.newsweek.com

I’m aware. But most of the abuse by priests was homosexual predation.

 

[johansen]

I’m aware. But most of the abuse by priests was homosexual predation.

That is simply not the case

 

[RileyG]

That is simply not the case

It was. Most of victims were teen boys or young men.

 

[johansen]

It was. Most of victims were teen boys or young men.

Read here

Abuse by Priests, Homosexuality, Humanae vitae, and a Crisis of Masculinity in the Church - PMC

Data on the age of the preferred partner of same-sex attracted men show that the abuse of minors by priests and deacons is primarily a question of “ordinary” homosexuality, and secondarily of homosexual pedophilia (not just unspecified ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[RileyG]

Read here

Abuse by Priests, Homosexuality, Humanae vitae, and a Crisis of Masculinity in the Church - PMC

Data on the age of the preferred partner of same-sex attracted men show that the abuse of minors by priests and deacons is primarily a question of “ordinary” homosexuality, and secondarily of homosexual pedophilia (not just unspecified ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ok

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Just a thought but, if one is gay and religious, it is better in the Church's view to be celibate rather than married or in a homosexual relationship.

If one then remains celibate the priesthood seems a holy option. Of course it is about vocation though, not convenience.

 

[RileyG]

Just a thought but, if one is gay and religious, it is better in the Church's view to be celibate rather than married or in a homosexual relationship.

If one then remains celibate the priesthood seems a holy option. Of course it is about vocation though, not convenience.

Yes. Celibate or married to the opposite sex.

 

[Michie]

One SSA priest I heartily admired was Fr. Mychal Judge. He served his vocation with honor.

 

[RileyG]

One gay priest I heartily admired was Fr. Mychal Judge. He served his vocation with honor.

Yes! Me too!

 

[johansen]

One gay priest I heartily admired was Fr. Mychal Judge. He served his vocation with honor.

well some estimates are that 30-40% of them are gay.

New Catholic Sex Abuse Findings: Gay Priests Are Not the Problem -- Politics Daily

BALTIMORE -- For much of the past decade it has been an article of faith for many, bolstered by the testimony of thousands of victims,

web.archive.org

so when 4% are accused, yet 2% are the ones with 95% of the accusations.. we find the same 2% as we do elsewhere, psychopaths, etc.

so if 40% are gay as is alleged, and if gay priests do all the abuse, you still have 1 in twenty doing the abuse. that's not going to justify removign all the gays from the priest hood

 

[RileyG]

well some estimates are that 30-40% of them are gay.

New Catholic Sex Abuse Findings: Gay Priests Are Not the Problem -- Politics Daily

BALTIMORE -- For much of the past decade it has been an article of faith for many, bolstered by the testimony of thousands of victims,

web.archive.org

so when 4% are accused, yet 2% are the ones with 95% of the accusations.. we find the same 2% as we do elsewhere, psychopaths, etc.

so if 40% are gay as is alleged, you still have 1 in twenty doing the abuse. that's not going to justify removign all the gays from the priest hood

And most priests with same sex attraction aren’t predators, either.

Some don’t like using the term “gay” because it implies they are actively living the gay lifestyle or it’s too politicized.

 

[Michie]

well some estimates are that 30-40% of them are gay.

New Catholic Sex Abuse Findings: Gay Priests Are Not the Problem -- Politics Daily

BALTIMORE -- For much of the past decade it has been an article of faith for many, bolstered by the testimony of thousands of victims,

web.archive.org

so when 4% are accused, yet 2% are the ones with 95% of the accusations.. we find the same 2% as we do elsewhere, psychopaths, etc.

so if 40% are gay as is alleged, and if gay priests do all the abuse, you still have 1 in twenty doing the abuse. that's not going to justify removign all the gays from the priest hood

You realize I posted this in the Catholic forum right? It’s really not cool to come in here and inform us what is happening in our Church. Regardless of your secular sources.

 

[RileyG]

You realize I posted this in the Catholic forum right? It really not cool to come in here and inform is what is happening g in our Church. Regardless of your secular sources.

Amen. Thank you, Michie.

 

[johansen]

And most priests with same sex attraction aren’t predators, either.

Some don’t like using the term “gay” because it implies they are actively living the gay lifestyle or it’s too politicized.

so from that linked 2009 article this is interesting to me:

What is also clear from the research is that efforts to address abuse by priests, starting in the mid-1980s, were effective -- eventually.

Among those efforts were closer screening of seminarians and the addition of so-called "human formation" programs to the seminary curriculum, both of which were "critical" in reducing the incidence of abuse, the researchers said. In addition, bishops, like the rest of American society, became more aware of the terrible impact of sexual abuse on children.

Above all, the bishops came under increasing criticism over revelations in the media that they had regularly protected abusers and shifted them from parish to parish where they could abuse repeatedly. As a result, after 1985 -- the first wave of reforms instituted by the bishops -- it became 50 percent less likely that a clergy abuser would be shifted to another parish and 50 percent more likely that he would be placed on administrative leave.

 

[Michie]

There is plenty of abuse and cover ups on the Baptist Church, other Protestant Churches, JW’s, Mormons, public schools, etc. a lot of those people aren’t actively gay or SSA either.