Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

[A2SG]

It's a recycle here. The same argument repeats.

Yup. The same old argument, always about prejudice. "I don't feel comfortable with gay people getting married," "I don't feel comfortable with black people sharing the lunch counter," "I don't feel comfortable with Jewish people living here," etc.

We just need to go to private toilets. If these get their way legally that's how it will have to be.

I'm all for that, I prefer single occupant toilets, myself. But the thing is, they cost money to build, or to convert existing bathrooms. You're gonna get pushback from business owners who don't see a problem, and don't want to pay the construction costs. What are you gonna do then? What's your evidence that his problem exists, and needs this type of legislation to fix it?

-- A2SG, always seems to come down to that....no evidence....

 

[Pommer]

After long and serious thought I have come to the conclusion that I refuse to form an opinion upon the “which bathroom should transgender people use?”.

 

[BCP1928]

Yup. The same old argument, always about prejudice. "I don't feel comfortable with gay people getting married," "I don't feel comfortable with black people sharing the lunch counter," "I don't feel comfortable with Jewish people living here," etc.


I'm all for that, I prefer single occupant toilets, myself. But the thing is, they cost money to build, or to convert existing bathrooms. You're gonna get pushback from business owners who don't see a problem, and don't want to pay the construction costs. What are you gonna do then? What's your evidence that his problem exists, and needs this type of legislation to fix it?

-- A2SG, always seems to come down to that....no evidence....

Back in the day, there were frequently couches in women's rest rooms. I had a supervisor once who had a problem which entailed him sleeping it off many mornings on that couch. The women who used the rest room weren't afraid nor did they believe that their sexual purity was under threat. They just thought it was disgusting.

 

[ralliann]

Yup. The same old argument, always about prejudice. "I don't feel comfortable with gay people getting married," "I don't feel comfortable with black people sharing the lunch counter," "I don't feel comfortable with Jewish people living here," etc.


I'm all for that, I prefer single occupant toilets, myself. But the thing is, they cost money to build, or to convert existing bathrooms. You're gonna get pushback from business owners who don't see a problem, and don't want to pay the construction costs. What are you gonna do then? What's your evidence that his problem exists, and needs this type of legislation to fix it?

-- A2SG, always seems to come down to that....no evidence....

If it became law, they would have no choice.

 

[rjs330]

yes I vote, but I won’t be backtracking to figure out what your point was.

The point is you said you dont interfere in other people's business that dont effect you. Yet you vote and you vote for people who WILL I tempered in orders people's business rhat doesn't affect you.

Who you vote for create laws and im assuming laws you would want. Many of those laws or regulations dont affect you even though they affect others.

In order to stay out of other people's business you should stay out of the political arena.

 

[rjs330]

No, it doesn't show this. The question people like me are asking, how does this do anything to make women safer? There are already laws in place that are there to protect women. Adding a new law won't make women any safer because the same people that ignore the current laws will also ignore the new laws. This is particularly true since the already risk serious jail time for molesting a woman, adding an extra fine on top of that isn't any type of deterrent.

Does that mean we shouldn't have any laws? You don't say the same thing about every law. Every law could have tye same straw man argument. We shouldnt have any Homicide laws because Homicide laws dont make people any safer because people who would commit Homicide will just ignore the law. In fact pretty much all of them do.

We shouldn't have laws against rape because rapists are the type of people who would just ignore the law anyway.

This kind of argument hasnt stopped hate crimes.

Its not a good argument.

 

[rjs330]

Why on earth is the left TRYING SO HARD to allow men in the womens room? What is the real reason. They argue for it all the time. Why is it so necessary?

 

[BCP1928]

Why on earth is the left TRYING SO HARD to allow men in the womens room? What is the real reason. They argue for it all the time. Why is it so necessary?

Why is it so necessary to keep them out now that they might be trans? Before that many states didn't even have bathroom laws, and men have always occsionally used women's rooms.

 

[ralliann]

Why on earth is the left TRYING SO HARD to allow men in the womens room? What is the real reason. They argue for it all the time. Why is it so necessary?

Yep, even derailing a thread to continue it. Many just want to get in your face, pretending they are not. They cannot stand the way some people think and feel about things. So they want to shove it in their face. That is why things like this become law. I don't know if the transgender stuff is all that much anymore. It seems it is losing steam with business. But hey, just let em have private bathrooms, if it comes to that and let it go.

 

[BCP1928]

Yep, even derailing a thread to continue it. Many just want to get in your face, pretending they are not. They cannot stand the way some people think and feel about things. So they want to shove it in their face. That is why things like this become law. I don't know if the transgender stuff is all that much anymore. It seems it is losing steam with business. But hey, just let em have private bathrooms, if it comes to that and let it go.

Because we think that it's about trans going into the bathrooms, rather than men generally.

 

[RileyG]

Why on earth is the left TRYING SO HARD to allow men in the womens room? What is the real reason. They argue for it all the time. Why is it so necessary?

I agree. It blows my mind. Men don't belong in women's restrooms or sports. Period.

 

[RileyG]

After long and serious thought I have come to the conclusion that I refuse to form an opinion upon the “which bathroom should transgender people use?”.

That's your right. My opinion is men (so called "trans women) should only use the men's and vice versa. Have a lovely day.

 

[RileyG]

They don't know. THAT is the point. The woman standing at the mirror doing her lipstick or chatting to her friends...it's a woman. Unless you want to do a genital check? Of course you don't. So you don't know either. And it's somewhat presumptuous of you to declare what women want, what they are comfortable with when there has been ZERO evidence that any problem exists whatsoever.

You know what I could do? Ask all the women I know "Y'know that last time you were in the restroom with a transwoman..." And I won't get any further. They will immediately ask 'No, hang on. Wait. When was this supposed to have happened?'

Now Sydney is a pretty liberal city so I can virtually guarantee that it has happened. But none of them have mentioned any worries whatsoever. It's not even a topic of conversation.

Again, I don't accept that. I do not see so-called trans women as women, but in reality, men. They are indeed men and should only use the men. I'm not going to bow down to their fantasy.

Peace

 

[RileyG]

Why is it so necessary to keep them out now that they might be trans? Before that many states didn't even have bathroom laws, and men have always occsionally used women's rooms.

I don't care. They have a mental health problem. They have no business using the women's restroom because they really aren't women. Really.

 

[BCP1928]

I don't care. They have a mental health problem. They have no business using the women's restroom because they really aren't women. Really.

Thank you. At least you are giving us your honest opinion. All this talk about how it's not because they're trans at all, it's just because they are biological males is tiresome.

 

[RileyG]

Thank you. At least you are giving us your honest opinion. All this talk about how it's not because they're trans at all, it's just because they are biological males is tiresome.

Again. I don't accept that extreme gender ideology. If anyone finds that tiresome, blame the so-called trans community. They are the ones screaming in our faces we must accept their so-called identity without thinking for ourselves.

Peace

 

[SimplyMe]

Does that mean we shouldn't have any laws? You don't say the same thing about every law. Every law could have tye same straw man argument. We shouldnt have any Homicide laws because Homicide laws dont make people any safer because people who would commit Homicide will just ignore the law. In fact pretty much all of them do.

We shouldn't have laws against rape because rapists are the type of people who would just ignore the law anyway.

This kind of argument hasnt stopped hate crimes.

Its not a good argument.

Sorry, this is a straw man of my position. My argument is not that we don't need laws, it is that duplicate laws are unnecessary and won't help. To use your homicide argument, the similar argument to the bathroom argument would be that we need to make a law that would make it illegal to murder women, it could even provide a fine as a punishment (to make it about as effective as the women's bathroom argument). And, to use the logic that keeps being tossed around here, if you are against a murder of a woman law, then you don't care about the safety of women and it is needed to keep women protected. Yet, the fact remains that murdering women is already illegal and adding new laws, particularly that has a fine as punishment as opposed to current laws that can have serious time in prison, is unlikely to help protect women at all.

That is the problem with this discussion, there are too many straw men and illogical arguments. All the things you are trying to "protect women from in bathrooms" are already illegal.

 

[Bradskii]

Again, I don't accept that. I do not see so-called trans women as women, but in reality, men.

I don't give 2 cents for how you perceive trans women. There is no problem regarding restrooms. And you'll have realised that because nobody, and I mean nobody is posting any details of any problem. None whatsoever. But you'll have seen links saying just the opposite. It's entirely up to you if you don't think that facts matter.

 

[RileyG]

I don't give 2 cents for how you perceive trans women. There is no problem regarding restrooms. And you'll have realised that because nobody, and I mean nobody is posting any details of any problem. None whatsoever. But you'll have seen links saying just the opposite. It's entirely up to you if you don't think that facts matter.

I don't care how other people perceive so called trans "women" either. It's a two way street. To me, they will never be women, and don't belong in woman only spaces. Many people also agree with my perception.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't care how other people perceive so called trans "women" either. It's a two way street. To me, they will never be women, and don't belong in woman only spaces. Many people also agree with my perception.

Why are you not accepting that there is no problem? Why insist on ignoring that fact?