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The auto-pen scandal is going to be massive

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This isn't the Democrats against Trump, it's the Republicans against the Democrats. And if the Republicans win, do you think the Democrats will accept the verdict of being guilty of running a corrupt government?
If the evidence supports the verdict, I don't see why they wouldn't. Then again, I can't speak for every democrat out there.

-- A2SG, haven't seen any MAGAs accepting Trump's 34 felony convictions, or any of his other fraud guilty verdicts, but I guess there may always be outliers....
 
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If the evidence supports the verdict, I don't see why they wouldn't. Then again, I can't speak for every democrat out there.
Well I've already heard about the administration weaponizing the DOJ in the matter.
 
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On second thought, it's actually going to be the house oversight committee who refers it to the DOJ. Unless It's supposed to given to the OIG. So whoever the members of the house oversight committee investigating this are, they're going to spearhead the frying of whoever is guilty of misusing the auto-pen.
Tell you what...let's see if there is any evidence of wrongdoing before we decide what to do with that evidence, mmmkay?

-- A2SG, we can decide what to do with it after we figure out if it even exists....
 
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Well I've already heard about the administration weaponizing the DOJ in the matter.
If the DOJ is being used to attack Trump's political opponents, then that would be weaponizing. Going after President Biden's administration for a crime that no one can prove even happened might qualify....but that would depend on how far they take it.

-- A2SG, which is why I ask to see the evidence BEFORE I render a judgment on it....
 
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If the DOJ is being used to attack Trump's political opponents, then that would be weaponizing. Going after President Biden's administration for a crime that no one can prove even happened might qualify....but that would depend on how far they take it.
I think for the most part they're going to take the same stance of weaponization and lawfare. Which is where many seem to be right now.
 
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I think for the most part they're going to take the same stance of weaponization and lawfare. Which is where many seem to be right now.
If that's where Trump and the DOJ want to take this, then good luck getting a conviction without a defendant or any evidence. Unless they get that, this will all wind up being as much of a nothingburger as the entire President Biden "Big Guy" thing.

-- A2SG, so far the GOP hasn't done well at the finding actual evidence game...not for President Biden, not for Hilary Clinton....
 
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If that's where Trump and the DOJ want to take this, then good luck getting a conviction without a defendant or any evidence. Unless they get that, this will all wind up being as much of a nothingburger as the entire President Biden "Big Guy" thing.
I think for the most part there's going to be insistence there was weaponizing and lawfare no matter how it's conducted. That's pretty much what's happening right now, and I think that's unlikely to change no matter what the scenario might be.
 
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I think for the most part there's going to be insistence there was weaponizing and lawfare no matter how it's conducted. That's pretty much what's happening right now, and I think that's unlikely to change no matter what the scenario might be.
You're probably right about that. Although, to be fair, calling for an investigation despite no evidence whatsoever that there was any wrongdoing at all does kind of point toward it. In some circles, they call that a fishing expedition.

-- A2SG, something the GOP seems to have a lot of experience with, but very little success...if any.....
 
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You're probably right about that. Although, to be fair, calling for an investigation despite no evidence whatsoever that there was any wrongdoing at all does kind of point toward it. In some circles, they call that a fishing expedition.
Fishing expedition, witch hunt, sounds familiar.
 
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Fishing expedition, witch hunt, sounds familiar.
Yup, it's stuff said about people who don't have any evidence.

-- A2SG, kinda hard to follow the evidence if you can't find it in the first place....
 
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Ah so you agree with what Republicans said regarding Trump's trials and verdicts eh? Kewl.
Uh, no. See, the prosecutors had evidence. Bunches of it. Enough to convince a jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt on all 34 felony charges.

What evidence is there that President Biden's autopen was misused?

-- A2SG, gee, don't cha just love the sound of crickets....
 
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Uh, no. See, the prosecutors had evidence. Bunches of it. Enough to convince a jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt on all 34 felony charges.

What evidence is there that President Biden's autopen was misused?
Tisk tisk, no backpaddling :p
 
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Tisk tisk, no backpaddling :p
Who's "backpaddling"?

This is the very first thing I said in this thread:

Tell you what....if you want to prosecute anyone for forgery or misusing the autopen, then all you have to do is find the evidence that they did it. Simple as that. That's how prosecution works.

I've heard a lot of speculation about this issue, and a lot of vague accusations and suspicion...but no actual evidence. Find that, and then we'll talk.

Nothing has changed.

-- A2SG, it's all about the evidence, always has been, always will be.....
 
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Well I've already heard about the administration weaponizing the DOJ in the matter.
You didn't hear it. You said it when you talked about Republicans winning a guilty verdict over Democrats rather than The People successfully prosecuting a defendant.
 
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You didn't hear it. You said it when you talked about Republicans winning a guilty verdict over Democrats rather than The People successfully prosecuting a defendant.
No, you've been misunderstanding what I've been saying and your argument has therefore been off track, which is why I can't follow it. I'd try to get it on track, but at this point I don't think that's going to happen.
 
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