US has struck three Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says

[Ivan Hlavanda]

This is a misuse of the Bible and it is too bad that people interpret their politics with it.

What politics? This war is not political, but Spiritual. It is the invisible that rules the visible, but sadly many Christians don't understand that.

From the beginning, satan wants to destroy Israel, because he knew from Israel would come the Messiah that would crush his head. He and his demons done everything in their power to destroy Israel, but God sovereignly preserved Israel from the enemies.

Then after 70ad, Israel was scattered all around the world, but satan very well knew God's plan for Israel, and that He would bring the Jews back to their land. And satan done everything he could to prevent this from happening. But the Jews are back in their land.

And satan and the demons know very well Jesus Christ will return to Israel, so they do everything they can to destroy Israel. And they are using the enemies of Israel to destroy them, like always, but God will protect Israel and destroy it's enemies. The Scripture makes it clear.

Evil Spirit stands behind Iran today, trying to destroy Israel like it was back in Daniel's time.

Daniel 10 10 And behold, a hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly loved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for now I have been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 Then he said to me, “Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words. 13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia, 14 and came to make you understand what is to happen to your people in the latter days. For the vision is for days yet to come.”

The prince of the kingdom of Persia is a demon. This same prince of Persia is trying to destroy Israel today, like he tried to do so many times in history.

Read the Scripture, especially the prophets, and you will see how the invisible rules the invisible. How demons are behind the earthly rulers. But many churches don't teach these things today, and Christians don't understand. The Church is mostly asleep today, and is mostly wrong about Israel, saying things like the Church replaced Israel, or God has abandoned Israel, and Israel today has nothing to do with Israel in the Scripture. But they do not know the Scriptures to say such things.

 

[trophy33]

From the beginning, satan wants to destroy Israel, because he knew from Israel would come the Messiah that would crush his head. He and his demons done everything in their power to destroy Israel, but God sovereignly preserved Israel from the enemies.

Not biblical. Biblically, God himself has been punishing Israel for the evil Israel has been constantly doing. God punished Israel always through other nations - Palestinians, Babylon, Assyria, Rome.

The US evangelicals who support Israel because of religious reasons have really a poor understanding of the Bible. And quite an absurdly inconsistent attitude regarding their own eschatology.

 

[wing2000]

Edit: I just learned from a Pentagon news briefing that 14 GBU 57/B bombs were used.

Will Israel re-imburse the American tax payer for the cost of this operation?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Noting that there's absolutely zero reason to believe "Russia" was known as "Magog" in Ezekiel's time. Because "Russia" didn't exist in any form whatsoever in Ezekiel's time; the earliest origins of Russia go back to the Kievan Rus, a confederation of Slavic, Finno-Ugric, and Varangian tribes in the middle ages.

Of course if you have any source documentation to suggest that "Russia" was called "Magog" in Ezekiel's time. I'm sure you'd be willing to share it. Posting YouTube videos doesn't count.

-CryptoLutheran

Magog is a land “in the far north,” from Israel’s point of view Ezekiel 38:15. Russia is straight north of Israel, all the way up to the Arctic Circle. “Rosh” is a reference to Russia, “Meshek” is either Moscow or the people north of the Black Sea (the area of southern Russia and Ukraine), and “Tubal,” which is always listed with Meshek in Scripture, is identified as a city in Siberia or an area in central Turkey.

Some see Magog as a general term used in Ezekiel’s day to identify barbarians living near the Black and Caspian Seas. Regardless of the exact locations of Magog, Tubal, and Meshek, there is no doubt that the general area includes portions of Russia and the former Soviet Union, and possibly some Arab countries.

So, yes, the Bible does mention Russia, although not by that name, in connection with the end times. Ezekiel 38—39 definitely refer to a nation coming from northern Asia to attack Israel.

According to the Bible, there will come a time when Russia, in alliance with several other countries, will amass a huge army against Israel, with a view to plunder the Jews’ land. The nations aligned with Russia for this military endeavor are Persia (modern-day Iran), Put (modern-day Libya), Cush (modern-day Sudan), Gomer (part of modern-day Turkey), and Beth Togarmah (Armenia). Most of these nations are currently militant Islamic states with an express hatred of Israel. Ezekiel says that, when the aggressors move against Israel, a few other nations (“Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish”) will remonstrate, as will “all her villages”—possibly colonies (Ezekiel 38:13).

 

[BCP1928]

Magog is a land “in the far north,” from Israel’s point of view Ezekiel 38:15. Russia is straight north of Israel, all the way up to the Arctic Circle. “Rosh” is a reference to Russia, “Meshek” is either Moscow or the people north of the Black Sea (the area of southern Russia and Ukraine), and “Tubal,” which is always listed with Meshek in Scripture, is identified as a city in Siberia or an area in central Turkey.

Some see Magog as a general term used in Ezekiel’s day to identify barbarians living near the Black and Caspian Seas. Regardless of the exact locations of Magog, Tubal, and Meshek, there is no doubt that the general area includes portions of Russia and the former Soviet Union, and possibly some Arab countries.

So, yes, the Bible does mention Russia, although not by that name, in connection with the end times. Ezekiel 38—39 definitely refer to a nation coming from northern Asia to attack Israel.

According to the Bible, there will come a time when Russia, in alliance with several other countries, will amass a huge army against Israel, with a view to plunder the Jews’ land. The nations aligned with Russia for this military endeavor are Persia (modern-day Iran), Put (modern-day Libya), Cush (modern-day Sudan), Gomer (part of modern-day Turkey), and Beth Togarmah (Armenia). Most of these nations are currently militant Islamic states with an express hatred of Israel. Ezekiel says that, when the aggressors move against Israel, a few other nations (“Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish”) will remonstrate, as will “all her villages”—possibly colonies (Ezekiel 38:13).

Why should we pay the least bit of attention to any of that?

 

[Lukaris]

The Iranian ruling, hard line Islamists hate Israel probably on a genocidal level. Iranian society seems deeply complex and should be carefully understood as best possible ( I claim no wisdom here).

An example of the anti Israel ruling class:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Whereas a divided Iranian society has been more neutral probably slightly overall towards Israel.

Enough on our plates: Iranians with no tears for Palestine

Iranian perspectives on the conflicts in the Middle East are mostly dominated by the prevailing resentment toward their own rulers.

www.iranintl.com

It appears that average Iranians are understandably flustered in the current state of affairs.

Grief, rage, solidarity: Iranians under fire, out of sight

The war may have begun as a clash between Israel and the Islamic Republic, but for many Iranians now caught in the crossfire, it has become an intimate reality, marked by both grief and rare solidarity.

www.iranintl.com

 

[Servus]

So why did Trump say that to Zelensky who has only been fighting to defend his own country?

Why did Trump have such strong words for such a small player?

Probably because Trump and many others don't see Zelenskyy and his actions the way you do. A small player launching a massive bomb strike on a major player could start a world war. Japan was probably considered a small player too until they bombed Pearl Harbor which launched the US into WWII.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Not biblical.

What's not Biblical, that satan wants to destroy Israel. You are joking, right?

Yes, God used evil nations to punish Israel, and then He destroyed the nations that He used to punish Israel, because they meant evil against Israel. And God has mercy over Israel, like He does today, and will have in the future.

Now it is true that God divorced His wife Israel, but He will take her back.

Hosea 2 14 “Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak tenderly to her.15 And there I will give her her vineyards and make the Valley of Achor a door of hope. And there she shall answer as in the days of her youth, as at the time when she came out of the land of Egypt. 16 “And in that day, declares the Lord, you will call me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer will you call me ‘My Baal.’ 17 For I will remove the names of the Baals from her mouth, and they shall be remembered by name no more. 18 And I will make for them a covenant on that day with the beasts of the field, the birds of the heavens, and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish[f] the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I will make you lie down in safety. 19 And I will betroth you to me forever. I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy. 20 I will betroth you to me in faithfulness. And you shall know the Lord.

21 “And in that day I will answer, declares the Lord, I will answer the heavens, and they shall answer the earth, 22 and the earth shall answer the grain, the wine, and the oil, and they shall answer Jezreel, 23 and I will sow her for myself in the land. And I will have mercy on No Mercy, and I will say to Not My People, ‘You are my people’; and he shall say, ‘You are my God.’”

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Why should we pay the least bit of attention to any of that?

Because it's the Word of God.

 

[wing2000]

Why should we pay the least bit of attention to any of that?

Don't waste your time.
I first heard about Russia = Magog narrative some 45 years ago in Sunday school.

 

[NxNW]

Do you think we (and the world) would have been safe with a rabid terrorist state that proclaimed death to the US having a fully operational nuclear weapon? Should we have waited to find out?

As 2A supporters are fond of saying, an armed society is a polite society. If every nation has nukes, nobody has to worry about a first strike when they're unarmed.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Probably because Trump and many others don't see Zelenskyy and his actions the way you do.

I see a bully standing up only to those who can’t fight back. Funny he doesn’t talk that way with Russia or China.

A small player launching a massive bomb strike on a major player could start a world war.

Like Israel and Iran?

Japan was probably considered a small player too until they bombed Pearl Harbor which launched the US into WWII.

Not true. They held one of the largest navies in the world before the start of WWII.

 

[BCP1928]

Because it's the Word of God.

An assertion for which you have no evidence whatsoever and a dubious interpretation to boot.

 

[trophy33]

What's not Biblical, that satan wants to destroy Israel. You are joking, right?

Find one verse in the Bible saying "Satan wants to destroy Israel". And please do not even try the verse about the woman and the dragon. It has more interpretations than you have fingers on your hands.

Yes, God used evil nations to punish Israel, and then He destroyed the nations that He used to punish Israel, because they meant evil against Israel.

Well, it is quite absurd to claim that for example the Western Roman Empire ended in the 5th century because Rome destroyed Israel in the 1st one. Or that the Eastern Roman Empire ended in the 15th century because of Israel.

Your worldview seems to be quite fanatical. Even Germany is doing OK, actually better than Israel.

And God has mercy over Israel, like He does today, and will have in the future.

This is not a preaching thread.

 

[Servus]

I see a bully standing up only to those who can’t fight back. Funny he doesn’t talk that way with Russia or China.

Like I said, not everyone sees it the way you do.

Like Israel and Iran?

If you're you saying Iran is a major power and Israel is small one, you have that backwards.

Not true. They held one of the largest navies in the world before the start of WWII.

What was Japan doing before bombing Peal Harbor that the US considered to be a threat?

 

[Belk]

I disagree. It will take them quite a few years to get them to the same level that they had achieved. Whatever the US did not destroy Israel will. There is no possible way that we can allow Iran to obtain nukes. But you are right in the sense that this will be ongoing.

Unfortunately, this action might show Iran that they need nukes if they are to deter aggression by the US. They could quite well reason that we would not of attacked them had they been a nuclear armed nation. As such this might well cause them to redouble their efforts. Carrying a big stick in public is generally not as good a policy as quiet actions taken to retard their efforts that are less traceable and provoke less of a response.

 

[Servus]

Why does Israel hate Iran?

Because if Iran could launch a nuclear jihad on Israel, they would.

 

[Hentenza]

Unfortunately, this action might show Iran that they need nukes if they are to deter aggression by the US. They could quite well reason that we would not of attacked them had they been a nuclear armed nation. As such this might well cause them to redouble their efforts. Carrying a big stick in public is generally not as good a policy as quiet actions taken to retard their efforts that are less traceable and provoke less of a response.

But for the foreseeable future Iran is out of the nuke business. We’ll have to see what happens later since neither you or me have crystal ballbs to predict the future actions of a terrorist nation.

 

[wing2000]

Because if Iran could launch a nuclear jihad on Israel, they would.

....Israel would return the favor.

Ever hear of MAD?

The regime in Iran are not stupid enough to assure their own destruction.

 

[Belk]

But for the foreseeable future Iran is out of the nuke business. We’ll have to see what happens later since neither you or me have crystal ballbs to predict the future actions of a terrorist nation.

Maybe, maybe not. There are a whole bunch of unknowns here. We don't even know the extent of the damage yet.