This is a long set of teachings broken up into about 20 minute sections on the big picture view to understanding Christian Universal Redemption.

[Hentenza]

How do universalists deal with the following verses?

Jude 1:3-5

“Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time handed down to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Jude 1:3-5 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time han | New American Standard Bible - NASB (

Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time han

bible.com

 

[Clare73]

i am glad to hear you say you believe Jesus and that he will restore all things.
I don't understand your logic if heresy is not unbelief, unbelief is just believing something that is not true, no one believes nothing, everyone believes something and that belief that is not in line with Jesus then its heresy.

There are those who believe nothing regarding Jesus Christ.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

How do universalists deal with the following verses?

Jude 1:3-5

“Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time handed down to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Jude 1:3-5 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time han | New American Standard Bible - NASB (

Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time han

bible.com

The Greek word translated condemnation,(krima) is better understood as judgement, krima is derived from krimo, which is to distinguish or judge something.
Yes they are judged as bringing in false ideas, the word aselgeia,is what is translated as indecent behavior , most likely the teaching of antinomian thinking, the idea that gospel frees men so that they do not have to follow any law at all.
So if one goes to the grave in this way of thinking they will be judged as not following the teachings of Jesus and will be judged as so, and need to go to the time of correction kolasis aionios ,Matt 25:46 the pruning or loping off all that does not produce fruit. They will then be included in 1 Cor 15:24 as part of the telos of God, which we know in vs 28 is that God will be all in all.
As far as the English word destroyed the Greek word is apollumi, which means no longer useful for its intended purpose, it doesn't mean to be no more.
So no problem for this Christian Universalist. In the end God will get what he said would happen, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord.

 

[Clare73]

The Greek word translated condemnation,(krima) is better understood as judgement, krima is derived from krimo, which is to distinguish or judge something.
Yes they are judged as bringing in false ideas, the word aselgeia,is what is translated as indecent behavior , most likely the teaching of antinomian thinking, the idea that gospel frees men so that they do not have to follow any law at all.
So if one goes to the grave in this way of thinking they will be judged as not following the teachings of Jesus and will be judged as so, and need to go to the time of correction kolasis aionios ,Matt 25:46 the pruning or loping off all that does not produce fruit.

"Nice". . ."eternal punishment" of Mt 25:46 is now "pruning or loping off."

The itching ears (2 Tim 4:3-5) have arrived. . .

They will then be included in 1 Cor 15:24 as part of the telos of God, which we know in vs 28 is that God will be all in all.
As far as the English word destroyed the Greek word is apollumi, which means no longer useful for its intended purpose, it doesn't mean to be no more.
So no problem for this Christian Universalist. In the end God will get what he said would happen, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord.

 

[Hentenza]

The Greek word translated condemnation,(krima) is better understood as judgement, krima is derived from krimo, which is to distinguish or judge something.

strong definition
κρίμα kríma, kree'-mah; from G2919; a decision (the function or the effect, for or against ("crime")):—avenge, condemned, condemnation, damnation, + go to law, judgment.

Once again, the word translates as condemnation. The verse is translated correctly.

Yes they are judged as bringing in false ideas, the word aselgeia,is what is translated as indecent behavior , most likely the teaching of antinomian thinking, the idea that gospel frees men so that they do not have to follow any law at all.

So if one goes to the grave in this way of thinking they will be judged as not following the teachings of Jesus and will be judged as so, and need to go to the time of correction kolasis aionios ,Matt 25:46 the pruning or loping off all that does not produce fruit. They will then be included in 1 Cor 15:24 as part of the telos of God, which we know in vs 28 is that God will be all in all.
As far as the English word destroyed the Greek word is apollumi, which means no longer useful for its intended purpose, it doesn't mean to be no more.

Matt 25:46 states nothing whatsoever about a pruning. In fact it supports eternal punishment.

“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

bible.com

So no problem for this Christian Universalist. In the end God will get what he said would happen, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord.

This universalist is having some serous issues arguing his case.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

"Nice". . ."eternal punishment" of Mt 25:46 is now "pruning or loping off."

The itching ears (2 Tim 4:3-5) have arrived. . .

Look up the Greek word used kolasis, it was a arborist term for pruning or loping off parts of a plant so that it would produce fruit.
itching ears ? that's what the Greek says, I know it goes against tradition but this is what the early church believed till Christianity became the official religion of Rome and it became about religion and not relationship.

 

[Hentenza]

Look up the Greek word used kolasis, it was a arborist term for pruning or loping off parts of a plant so that it would produce fruit.
itching ears ? that's what the Greek says, I know it goes against tradition but this is what the early church believed till Christianity became the official religion of Rome and it became about religion and not relationship.

STRONGS G2851:
κόλασις, κολάσεως, ἡ (κολάζω), correction, punishment, penalty: Matthew 25:46; κόλασιν ἔχει,brings with it or has connected with it the thought of punishment, 1 John 4:18. (Ezekiel 14:3f, etc.; 2 Macc. 4:38; 4 Macc. 8:8; Wis. 11:14 Wis. 16:24, etc.; Plato, Aristotle, Diodorus 1, 77 (9); 4, 44 (3); Aelian v. h. 7, 15; others.)

Once again the verse is translated correctly.

 

[Clare73]

Look up the Greek word used kolasis, it was a arborist term for pruning or loping off parts of a plant so that it would produce fruit.

It also means a process, to punish, restrain, check (Ac 4:21, 2 Pe 2:9).

"Lopping off" is destruction for the "lopped."

 

[Jeff Saunders]

STRONGS G2851:
κόλασις, κολάσεως, ἡ (κολάζω), correction, punishment, penalty: Matthew 25:46; κόλασιν ἔχει,brings with it or has connected with it the thought of punishment, 1 John 4:18. (Ezekiel 14:3f, etc.; 2 Macc. 4:38; 4 Macc. 8:8; Wis. 11:14 Wis. 16:24, etc.; Plato, Aristotle, Diodorus 1, 77 (9); 4, 44 (3); Aelian v. h. 7, 15; others.)

Once again the verse is translated correctly.

One of the important Greek words in the debate on the nature of punishment is kolasin (κόλασιν). The reason for this is that kolasin aiōnion is used in Matthew 25:46 regarding the punishment given to the goats for lacking compassion. Although we have already seen that kolasin has the sense of corrective punishment (and that aiōnion cannot reasonably mean everlasting when describing corrective punishment), those who wish to defend the traditional doctrine of hell attempt to deny that this is the sense of the word. They insist that it is purely retributive punishment that does not serve any reforming purpose. Evidence from Greek thinkers, however, very strongly demonstrates that corrective punishment is the true meaning of kolasin.

We will begin our analysis of kolasin by evaluating the accuracy of the claims of the well-known scholar William Barclay, writer of some of the most popular Bible study materials of the 20th century:

The word for punishment is kolasis. This word was originally a gardening word, and its original meaning was pruning trees. In Greek there are two words for punishment, timoria and kolasis, and there is a quite definite distinction between them. Aristotle defines the difference; kolasis is for the sake of the one who suffers it; timoria is for the sake of the one who inflicts it (Rhetoric 1.1 0). Plato says that no one punishes (kolazei) a wrong-doer simply because he has done wrong – that would be to take unreasonable vengeance (timoreitai). We punish (kolazei) a wrong-doer in order that he may not do wrong again (Protagoras 323 E). Clement of Alexandria (Stromateis 4.14; 7.16) defines kolasis as pure discipline, and timoria as the return of evil for evil. Aulus Gellius says that kolasis is given that a man may be corrected; timoria is given that dignity and authority may be vindicated (The Attic Nights 7.14). The difference is quite clear in Greek and it is always observed. Timoria is retributive punishment; kolasis is remedial discipline. Kolasis is always given to amend and to cure. (Barclay, The Apostles' Creed, page 189)

Is Barclay correct in his assessment of the meaning of kolasis? To find out, I cross-verified his references to check them for accuracy. First, let’s begin by checking the claim that kolasin was used of pruning. Although this understanding of the word’s origins is not vital to our understanding of kolasin as corrective punishment (it could still mean corrective punishment even if it never was used of gardening), it is very interesting etymologically. After all, nobody prunes a tree to punish it vindictively, but rather to help it to be more fruitful. The idea of pruning certainly does fit with the idea of corrective discipline.

Not only that, it’s true.

According to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, a work of such importance to the understanding of ancient Greek that ChristianBook.com claims that it is “used by every student of ancient Greek in the English-speaking world,” kolasin does in fact have the meaning of pruning, as well as correction. Here is the entry which you can verify for yourself here :

κόλ-α^σις , εως , ἡ ,

A. checking the growth of trees, esp. almond-trees, Thphr.CP3.18.2 (pl.).

2. chastisement, correction , Hp.Praec.5 , Pl.Ap.26a , al., Th.1.41 ; opp. τιμωρία , Arist.Rh.1369b13 ; of divine retribution, Ev.Matt.25.46, al.: pl., Pl.Prt.323e , al., Phld.Ir.p.52 W.

When visiting the lexicon, you will need to click on LSJ in the top bar to bring up the definition. LSJ stands for Liddell, Scott, Jones. For some reason, poor Jones does not get as much credit as Liddell and Scott, but it is the same lexicon.
You may have noticed that “checking the growth of trees” is the first definition given, followed by a reference: Thphr.CP3.18.2 (pl.). Unless you are a classics scholar, I imagine this reference is not very helpful, so I did further research into it. It refers to On the Causes of Plants (De Causis Plantarum), a botany book about plant physiology by Theophrastus (371-286 BC), who is considered to be the founding father of botany as well as a scientific colleague and close friend of Aristotle (Thanos 1994). The numbers are the volume, chapter, and section of this work.

Unfortunately, I was unable to obtain On the Causes of Plants very easily (apparently botany books from the 3rd or 4th century B.C. are not very popular—I can’t imagine why…). Nevertheless, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon makes clear reference to checking the growth of trees in order to make them more fruitful as an intended meaning in Theophrastus’ botany book. Pruning, therefore, is definitely part of its semantic range (range of meaning) and indicates that kolasin is beneficial to the one experiencing it.

It is also important to notice that it is listed as opposed to (opp.) timoria, or retributive punishment (vengeance). We will examine Aristotle’s reasoning (as referenced by Liddell and Scott) on this shortly, but for your reference I have hyperlinked the passage of interest here .

For a bit more analysis on this meaning and on the rationale Theophrastus gave for why pruning increases fruit production, you can see The Palgrave Handbook of Infertility in History. In this book, Theophrastus’ logic of pruning almond trees to increase fruitfulness is summarized as follows:
“Cultivation, however, was not without risks to the fertility of plants. It too could lead to barrenness… Plants grown in rich soil could grow excessive leafage and fail to produce fruit. Thus, according to Theophrastus, almond trees planted in too rich a soil ‘grow over-luxuriant (exhubrisasai) on account of the rich feeding, and fail to bear fruit’… The solution was to prune such plants.” (Davis and Loughran 2017)

Kolasin as Defined by Greek Thinkers​

 

[Jeff Saunders]

It also means a process, to punish, restrain, check (Ac 4:21, 2 Pe 2:9).

"Lopping off" is destruction for the "lopped."

Yes it is destruction of the lopped, but why do you think that the thing destroyed is the person and not the destruction of the very thing that is keeping people from seeing what God has done and who they are in him.
God/Jesus/Spirit love their creation. and their wrath is for anything that is destroying their creation, not the very thing that Jesus died for.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

STRONGS G2851:
κόλασις, κολάσεως, ἡ (κολάζω), correction, punishment, penalty: Matthew 25:46; κόλασιν ἔχει,brings with it or has connected with it the thought of punishment, 1 John 4:18. (Ezekiel 14:3f, etc.; 2 Macc. 4:38; 4 Macc. 8:8; Wis. 11:14 Wis. 16:24, etc.; Plato, Aristotle, Diodorus 1, 77 (9); 4, 44 (3); Aelian v. h. 7, 15; others.)

Once again the verse is translated correctly.

Parts of Speech: Noun Feminine

Kolasis Definition​

NAS Word Usage – Total: 2

1. correction, punishment, penalty

What Does Kolasis Mean in Greek in Context of the Bible?​

When we ask, “What does Kolasis mean in Greek in the context of the Bible?”, we delve into an intriguing term that has significant implications in scriptural discussions. The Greek word “kolasis” translates to “punishment” or “correction.” In the Bible, particularly in the New Testament, it appears in discussions about judgment and disciplines. The term can evoke different interpretations, raising questions about God’s justice and mercy.

The Greek Roots of Kolasis​

To truly understand kolasis, let’s explore its Greek origins. The word comes from the root “kolazos,” which implies correction or punishment. This root relates to the idea of ensuring that individuals learn from their mistakes. Thus, kolasis is not merely about inflicting pain or harm; it carries a sense of guiding someone back to the right path. It is vital to recognize that, in Greek thought, punishment often had an educational aspect.
In biblical texts, kolasis emphasizes a corrective purpose rather than just retribution. This distinction is crucial for comprehending how the concept appears in various scriptural passages and what it means for believers.

Kolasis in the New Testament​

In the New Testament, kolasis specifically appears in Matthew 25:46, where it contrasts eternal life and eternal punishment. To provide context, this verse is part of Jesus’s teaching about the final judgment. He mentions that the righteous will go to eternal life, while the wicked will experience eternal kolasis.
The use of kolasis here raises important theological discussions. Many scholars and theologians debate whether this refers to a literal place of torment or a more metaphorical understanding of separation from God. The core concern in this passage revolves around the nature of justice and the afterlife.

Understanding Eternal Kolasis​

Eternal kolasis can be wrongly interpreted when taken out of context. A common misconception is that it directly equates to Hell as a place of endless suffering. However, a closer look reveals this punishment’s corrective aspect. The purpose here may not solely be to cause pain but rather to serve as a consequence for choices made during earthly life, prompting individuals to reconsider their actions.
In understanding kolasis, one must reflect on God’s character. From a biblical perspective, God is portrayed as just, merciful, and loving. The concept of kolasis aligns with the belief that God desires to restore and rectify rather than perpetually punish. Therefore, eternal kolasis may imply a separation from God, a reality that serves as a profound consequence for rejecting His ways.

Kolasis and God’s Justice​

God’s justice, as depicted in the Bible, is not arbitrary. Every action has a corresponding reaction. Kolasis reflects this principle: it is not merely punitive but serves to correct and educate. Such an understanding has far-reaching implications for one’s spirituality. Believers can find hope in recognizing that God desires growth and reconciliation over mere punishment.
In this sense, kolasis is understood as a necessary aspect of divine justice, ensuring that truth and righteousness prevail. For those who follow God’s teachings, this entails the promise of life, while for those who stray, it serves as a call to repentance.

How Kolasis Relates to Other Biblical Concepts​

Within biblical teachings, kolasis intersects with several other significant concepts like grace, mercy, and repentance. Each of these plays a vital role in the understanding of divine judgment.

Grace and Mercy​

In discussions about kolasis, grace and mercy emerge as critical components to understand. Grace represents God’s unmerited favor towards humanity, while mercy emphasizes compassion towards those who deserve punishment. The balance between these concepts is pivotal.
For instance, Romans 6:23 states that “the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Here, the concept of kolasis can be seen juxtaposed against God’s grace. It highlights the choice between following or rejecting God’s ways, showcasing the grace extended to those who choose to embrace life through Christ.

Repentance​

Another essential element linked to kolasis is the call for repentance. The theme of turning away from sin and returning to God consistently appears throughout scripture. In 2 Peter 3:9, for example, it mentions that God is patient and does not desire anyone to perish but wants everyone to come to repentance.
This aspect emphasises that kolasis can serve as a catalyst for personal reflection and growth. It can lead to a deeper understanding of one’s actions and their potential consequences, encouraging individuals to seek forgiveness and restoration.

The Cultural Context of Kolasis​

Understanding kolasis also requires insight into the cultural milieu in which the authors of the New Testament wrote. Greek culture placed great importance on education and discipline, often seeing punishment as a necessary step towards improvement.
This cultural backdrop influenced how the early Christians perceived spiritual principles, including kolasis. They likely understood it as a form of divine disciplining that aligns with their values of growth through correction.

Modern Implications of Kolasis​

In a modern context, the interpretation of kolasis can guide ethical conversations about justice and discipline today. It raises essential questions about how communities handle correction, punishment, and reconciliation.
In Christianity, understanding kolasis encourages believers to consider how discipline can foster growth. Instead of solely focusing on punitive measures, it invites a more holistic approach that also emphasizes love and restoration. This understanding urges Christians to approach others with grace, seeking to help rather than simply punish.

Conclusion​

In summary, the term kolasis carries significant weight in understanding punishment in the biblical context. This Greek word reflects God’s desire for correction and growth, demonstrating a balance between justice and mercy. Through passages in the New Testament, kolasis calls for deeper reflection on God’s nature and purpose in discipline, offering believers a hopeful perspective on God’s justice.
As we navigate life’s challenges, the concept of kolasis can serve as a reminder that even in punishment, there is an opportunity for redemption. It encourages us to embrace God’s grace and pursue a path of righteousness, emphasizing that true justice, grounded in love, guides us back to Him.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

STRONGS G2851:
κόλασις, κολάσεως, ἡ (κολάζω), correction, punishment, penalty: Matthew 25:46; κόλασιν ἔχει,brings with it or has connected with it the thought of punishment, 1 John 4:18. (Ezekiel 14:3f, etc.; 2 Macc. 4:38; 4 Macc. 8:8; Wis. 11:14 Wis. 16:24, etc.; Plato, Aristotle, Diodorus 1, 77 (9); 4, 44 (3); Aelian v. h. 7, 15; others.)

Once again the verse is translated correctly.

The word for punishment is kolasis. The word was originally a gardening word, and its original meaning was pruning trees.

In Greek there are two words for punishment, timoria and kolasis, and there is a quite definite distinction between them. Aristotle defines the difference; kolasis is for the sake of the one who suffers it; timoria is for the sake of the one who inflicts it.

Plato says that no one punishes (kolazei) simply because he has done wrong - that would be to take unreasonable vengeance (timoreitai). We punish (kolazei) a wrong-doer in order that he may not do wrong again (Protagoras 323 E).

Clement of Alexandria (Stromateis 4.24; 7.16) defines kolasis as pure discipline, and timoria as the return of evil for evil.

Aulus Gellius says that kolasis is given that a man may be corrected; timoria is given that dignity and authority may be vindicated (The Attic Nights7.14).

The difference is quite clear in Greek and it is always observed. Timoria is retributive punishment. Kolasis is always given to amend and to cure.

 

[Clare73]

Yes it is destruction of the lopped, but why do you think that the thing destroyed is the person and not the destruction of the very thing that is keeping people from seeing what God has done and who they are in him.

?????

The analogy of the parable. . .parables are supposed to make it easy for the folk to understand. . .evidently, not here.
The vine is the kingdom/people of God.
To lop off a branch is to lop off a person.

A lotta' complicating of something simple here. . .reveals a lot.

 

[Hentenza]

Parts of Speech: Noun Feminine

Kolasis Definition​

NAS Word Usage – Total: 2

1. correction, punishment, penalty

What Does Kolasis Mean in Greek in Context of the Bible?​

When we ask, “What does Kolasis mean in Greek in the context of the Bible?”, we delve into an intriguing term that has significant implications in scriptural discussions. The Greek word “kolasis” translates to “punishment” or “correction.” In the Bible, particularly in the New Testament, it appears in discussions about judgment and disciplines. The term can evoke different interpretations, raising questions about God’s justice and mercy.

The Greek Roots of Kolasis​

To truly understand kolasis, let’s explore its Greek origins. The word comes from the root “kolazos,” which implies correction or punishment. This root relates to the idea of ensuring that individuals learn from their mistakes. Thus, kolasis is not merely about inflicting pain or harm; it carries a sense of guiding someone back to the right path. It is vital to recognize that, in Greek thought, punishment often had an educational aspect.
In biblical texts, kolasis emphasizes a corrective purpose rather than just retribution. This distinction is crucial for comprehending how the concept appears in various scriptural passages and what it means for believers.

Kolasis in the New Testament​

In the New Testament, kolasis specifically appears in Matthew 25:46, where it contrasts eternal life and eternal punishment. To provide context, this verse is part of Jesus’s teaching about the final judgment. He mentions that the righteous will go to eternal life, while the wicked will experience eternal kolasis.
The use of kolasis here raises important theological discussions. Many scholars and theologians debate whether this refers to a literal place of torment or a more metaphorical understanding of separation from God. The core concern in this passage revolves around the nature of justice and the afterlife.

Understanding Eternal Kolasis​

Eternal kolasis can be wrongly interpreted when taken out of context. A common misconception is that it directly equates to Hell as a place of endless suffering. However, a closer look reveals this punishment’s corrective aspect. The purpose here may not solely be to cause pain but rather to serve as a consequence for choices made during earthly life, prompting individuals to reconsider their actions.
In understanding kolasis, one must reflect on God’s character. From a biblical perspective, God is portrayed as just, merciful, and loving. The concept of kolasis aligns with the belief that God desires to restore and rectify rather than perpetually punish. Therefore, eternal kolasis may imply a separation from God, a reality that serves as a profound consequence for rejecting His ways.

Kolasis and God’s Justice​

God’s justice, as depicted in the Bible, is not arbitrary. Every action has a corresponding reaction. Kolasis reflects this principle: it is not merely punitive but serves to correct and educate. Such an understanding has far-reaching implications for one’s spirituality. Believers can find hope in recognizing that God desires growth and reconciliation over mere punishment.
In this sense, kolasis is understood as a necessary aspect of divine justice, ensuring that truth and righteousness prevail. For those who follow God’s teachings, this entails the promise of life, while for those who stray, it serves as a call to repentance.

How Kolasis Relates to Other Biblical Concepts​

Within biblical teachings, kolasis intersects with several other significant concepts like grace, mercy, and repentance. Each of these plays a vital role in the understanding of divine judgment.

Grace and Mercy​

In discussions about kolasis, grace and mercy emerge as critical components to understand. Grace represents God’s unmerited favor towards humanity, while mercy emphasizes compassion towards those who deserve punishment. The balance between these concepts is pivotal.
For instance, Romans 6:23 states that “the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Here, the concept of kolasis can be seen juxtaposed against God’s grace. It highlights the choice between following or rejecting God’s ways, showcasing the grace extended to those who choose to embrace life through Christ.

Repentance​

Another essential element linked to kolasis is the call for repentance. The theme of turning away from sin and returning to God consistently appears throughout scripture. In 2 Peter 3:9, for example, it mentions that God is patient and does not desire anyone to perish but wants everyone to come to repentance.
This aspect emphasises that kolasis can serve as a catalyst for personal reflection and growth. It can lead to a deeper understanding of one’s actions and their potential consequences, encouraging individuals to seek forgiveness and restoration.

The Cultural Context of Kolasis​

Understanding kolasis also requires insight into the cultural milieu in which the authors of the New Testament wrote. Greek culture placed great importance on education and discipline, often seeing punishment as a necessary step towards improvement.
This cultural backdrop influenced how the early Christians perceived spiritual principles, including kolasis. They likely understood it as a form of divine disciplining that aligns with their values of growth through correction.

Modern Implications of Kolasis​

In a modern context, the interpretation of kolasis can guide ethical conversations about justice and discipline today. It raises essential questions about how communities handle correction, punishment, and reconciliation.
In Christianity, understanding kolasis encourages believers to consider how discipline can foster growth. Instead of solely focusing on punitive measures, it invites a more holistic approach that also emphasizes love and restoration. This understanding urges Christians to approach others with grace, seeking to help rather than simply punish.

Conclusion​

In summary, the term kolasis carries significant weight in understanding punishment in the biblical context. This Greek word reflects God’s desire for correction and growth, demonstrating a balance between justice and mercy. Through passages in the New Testament, kolasis calls for deeper reflection on God’s nature and purpose in discipline, offering believers a hopeful perspective on God’s justice.
As we navigate life’s challenges, the concept of kolasis can serve as a reminder that even in punishment, there is an opportunity for redemption. It encourages us to embrace God’s grace and pursue a path of righteousness, emphasizing that true justice, grounded in love, guides us back to Him.

You should always attribute what you post so that is not considered plagiarism. You ”borrowed” this commentary from Exploring the Meaning of Kolasis in Greek - Ministry Voice.

Commentary is a persons interpretation and, of course, if it agrees with your doctrine you would refer to it.
Let’s look at excerpts of what you copy and pasted. But first let’s look at Matt. 25:46.


“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

bible.com

From your copy and paste:

“The Greek word “kolasis” translates to “punishment” or “correction.”

Exactly.

“Thus, kolasis is not merely about inflicting pain or harm; it carries a sense of guiding someone back to the right path. It is vital to recognize that, in Greek thought, punishment often had an educational aspect.”

Not in this verse. The verse is a direct contrast of the ones that do what Christ says and those that do not. This is not a conditional statement that IF you don’t do what Christ says BUT go back to the right path, THEN will not longer suffer Kolasis. Of course, anyone can repent and avoid the fate.



The rest is merely his interpretation which for the purpose of this verse is incorrect.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

You should always attribute what you post so that is not considered plagiarism. You ”borrowed” this commentary from Exploring the Meaning of Kolasis in Greek - Ministry Voice.

Commentary is a persons interpretation and, of course, if it agrees with your doctrine you would refer to it.
Let’s look at excerpts of what you copy and pasted. But first let’s look at Matt. 25:46.


“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

bible.com

From your copy and paste:

“The Greek word “kolasis” translates to “punishment” or “correction.”

Exactly.

“Thus, kolasis is not merely about inflicting pain or harm; it carries a sense of guiding someone back to the right path. It is vital to recognize that, in Greek thought, punishment often had an educational aspect.”

Not in this verse. The verse is a direct contrast of the ones that do what Christ says and those that do not. This is not a conditional statement that IF you don’t do what Christ says BUT go back to the right path, THEN will not longer suffer Kolasis. Of course, anyone can repent and avoid the fate.



The rest is merely his interpretation which for the purpose of this verse is incorrect.

So how does eternal punishment have any sense of correction? There is none, God loves his creation and would even die to save them, but most in the western church believe that love stops the moment their heart stops. What changes in that person that God no longer loves them, the only thing that changed is they are no longer in the mortal body and we know God does not change.
This is why understanding the Greek word aion is so important, aion means age, we get our English word eon from it, God works in ages, if you use a literal bible like I use you see how God uses ages to move his purpose forward. The word mistranslated as eternal is aionios,which is the adjective of aion , its correct meaning is pertaining to the age, not eternal.
Matt 24:46 those who love Jesus go into the life of the age, now because that life is in Jesus it never ends because he never ends, but kolasis aionios is the punishment of the age, its an age of correction, it has a beginning and and end. Just because aionios is used for both does not mean the quantity of both are the same.
If I said a tall man stood in front of a tall skyscraper, no one would say both talls are the same, but that is exactly what you do if you think that because aionios is used for both they must be the same, I know tradition says they have to be the same but they are not.
As far as attributing a thing posted to who ever wrote it, I do not know how, I am not good with computer stuff and only recently had my daughter show me how to cut and past from one thing to another, maybe I am not following mans rules, but they are just that mans rules.

 

[Hentenza]

So how does eternal punishment have any sense of correction? There is none,

Repent and believe.

God loves his creation and would even die to save them, but most in the western church believe that love stops the moment their heart stops. What changes in that person that God no longer loves them, the only thing that changed is they are no longer in the mortal body and we know God does not change.
This is why understanding the Greek word aion is so important, aion means age, we get our English word eon from it, God works in ages, if you use a literal bible like I use you see how God uses ages to move his purpose forward. The word mistranslated as eternal is aionios,which is the adjective of aion , its correct meaning is pertaining to the age, not eternal.

we already discussed that.

Matt 24:46 those who love Jesus go into the life of the age, now because that life is in Jesus it never ends because he never ends, but kolasis aionios is the punishment of the age, its an age of correction, it has a beginning and and end. Just because aionios is used for both does not mean the quantity of both are the same.

There is no punishment of the age in scripture.

If I said a tall man stood in front of a tall skyscraper, no one would say both talls are the same, but that is exactly what you do if you think that because aionios is used for both they must be the same, I know tradition says they have to be the same but they are not.

Ok but we already discussed that.

As far as attributing a thing posted to who ever wrote it, I do not know how, I am not good with computer stuff and only recently had my daughter show me how to cut and past from one thing to another, maybe I am not following mans rules, but they are just that mans rules.

I‘m just trying to help brother. This is not “man’s” rules, is just proper decorum. When you don’t attribute what you post in essence you are taking their words as your own. It is simple to do and maybe your daughter can help you.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

?????

The analogy of the parable. . .parables are supposed to make it easy for the folk to understand. . .evidently, not here.
The vine is the kingdom/people of God.
To lop off a branch is to lop off a person.

A lotta' complicating of something simple here. . .reveals a lot.

This has nothing to do with the vine of Jesus and being cut off, you are grasping to hold up the false idea that God sends people to an eternal hell, even if it were what did scripture say would happen to those branches Rom 11:23 God will graft them back in -26 all Israel will be saved in the end.
This is Gods plan to save his whole creation, why do you think scripture says Jesus has destroyed satans power and he holds the keys now.
John 17:2 You gave him authority over ALL FLESH that to all whom you (the Father) have given him, he may give eternal life.
John 13:3 Father had given ALL THINGS into his (Jesus) hands and that he came forth from the Father and was going back to the Father.
Notice it does not say Jesus was given a few things but all.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Repent and believe.

we already discussed that.

There is no punishment of the age in scripture.

Ok but we already discussed that.

I‘m just trying to help brother. This is not “man’s” rules, is just proper decorum. When you don’t attribute what you post in essence you are taking their words as your own. It is simple to do and maybe your daughter can help you.

Thats ok that you see it from the western view of separation, I will stick to what the early church fathers believed.
I can never believe that God/Jesus/ Spirit would share their love relationship with us and Jesus die for us and that they would send their creation which they love to burn forever or annihilate them because sin has so clouded their thinking that they can't see God/Jesus/Spirit as they are while in the mortal body. That thinking makes God/Jesus/Spirit into a monster, knowing before they create someone that that person would reject them because of a sin messed up mind, and still create them and then burn them forever, and now for all eternity they must keep those bodies alive and keep the pain going and listening to the screams of agony for all eternity and sin and death remain forever. The God of scripture is not like this it sounds more like Molech needing a blood sacrifice to love people a pagan idea.

 

[Hentenza]

Thats ok that you see it from the western view of separation, I will stick to what the early church fathers believed.
I can never believe that God/Jesus/ Spirit would share their love relationship with us and Jesus die for us and that they would send their creation which they love to burn forever or annihilate them because sin has so clouded their thinking that they can't see God/Jesus/Spirit as they are while in the mortal body. That thinking makes God/Jesus/Spirit into a monster, knowing before they create someone that that person would reject them because of a sin messed up mind, and still create them and then burn them forever, and now for all eternity they must keep those bodies alive and keep the pain going and listening to the screams of agony for all eternity and sin and death remain forever. The God of scripture is not like this it sounds more like Molech needing a blood sacrifice to love people a pagan idea.

My brother I rely on what the Lord has revealed through His word. The Bible tells us that God is a fair and loving God and I take that as objective truth. I’m sure that when we get to heaven all mysteries will be revealed and all of us will agree with God’s will.

 

[Clare73]

This has nothing to do with the vine of Jesus and being cut off,

Explains a lot. . .