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What Jesus Said About Adam and Eve

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Hi David
Thank you for your post but I think we will find that Adam and Eve were real people and the first Adam was created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ he was a whole multitude that's why God had to destroy the world with a flood to destroy the first body of Adam
 
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The meaning of Adam and Eves name. Means first man and first woman.
I believe that the names show us they were real figures. Figures who had Gods own breath breathed into them to give them life.
{the passage in the bible brought about the kiss of life idea Resuscitation ,)

Eve is the mother of mankind and Adam the Father. It is the true account of God creating us.
Mankind refers to men and women. Because woman was taken from man.

As you go through the bible we see that the woman is the one chosen to be the line of the Abrahams line and all mankind.
He chose Sara/Sarah to be the mother so discounting the first child born to a slave girl his Abrams Ishmael. Abraham had a son called Isaac who
was the chosen Son through the mother. As Jesus, like Adam chosen by the Will of God through Mary/ Both Adam and Jesus was born by the
will of God and no man involved.

Do you think there was a higher reason for this.... Jesus to be the second Adam had to be born without sin of the flesh.
So like Adam created by the will of God.

John 1.13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So Jesus and believers in him are born of the will of God. Nothing to do with the will of flesh.
The second covenant was not like the first covenant. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. This outpouring of the spirit among all believers is specifically noted as being fulfilled in the new covenant, not as part of previous covenants (Acts 2, Joel 2:28-29).


I have learned this with the help of God, and it has been over the years of being taught by the LORD. Please forgive my use of capitals for Lord but when in the bible the capital shows reference to God. So when writing in capitals referring to God not Jesus.
 
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Hi David
Thank you for your post but I think we will find that Adam and Eve were real people and the first Adam was created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ he was a whole multitude that's why God had to destroy the world with a flood to destroy the first body of Adam
Hi Davetaff,

I might appear a little thick but unsure what you mean when you say Jesus was a whole multitude that's why God had to destroy the world?
In Gods word he makes it clear the New Covenant would be nothing like the Old Covenant with Moses.
He tells the people that another will come, like unto Moses and he God) will put his words in his mouth. That the New Adam who is Jesus , will tell us all we need to know and that these are people born of Spirit and Truth. Abraham believed what God said to him and God accounted this to righteousness toward him. So those who believe what Christ has said are righteous in the eyes of God.
John 3:16. Faith pleases God the most. God regretted killing these people by flood. But he saved the righteous. He made the bow and promised not to flood the earth and kill them again. The water saving the righteous.

Why did you believe God had to destroy the multitude? The new covenant is not about the old covenant.
 
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Hi Davetaff,

I might appear a little thick but unsure what you mean when you say Jesus was a whole multitude that's why God had to destroy the world?
In Gods word he makes it clear the New Covenant would be nothing like the Old Covenant with Moses.
He tells the people that another will come, like unto Moses and he God) will put his words in his mouth. That the New Adam who is Jesus , will tell us all we need to know and that these are people born of Spirit and Truth. Abraham believed what God said to him and God accounted this to righteousness toward him. So those who believe what Christ has said are righteous in the eyes of God.
John 3:16. Faith pleases God the most. God regretted killing these people by flood. But he saved the righteous. He made the bow and promised not to flood the earth and kill them again. The water saving the righteous.

Why did you believe God had to destroy the multitude? The new covenant is not about the old covenant.
Hi mystery Girl
Thank you for your post all I'm saying is the first and last Adam would be created in the same way the last Adam Jesus Christ was created he being the head his body comprised of a whole multitude of believers which he would present to the Father on his return.
The first Adam would be created in the same way Adam would be the head his Eve those chosen to be his bride and and all their children a whole multitude.

The problem is the church has been teaching that Adam was jest one man and Eve one woman which makes no sense when we read what Gods word says

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

It says in our likeness in our image indicating more than one the word man should be understood as mankind

Love and Peace
Dave
 
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But it dose mention the bride of Christ

Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Love and Peace
Dave
 
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I hear Christians talking about Adam and Eve.
What did Jesus say about Adam and Eve?
“Adam” is not mentioned in the Gospels.
“Eve” is not mentioned in the Gospels.
The “Garden of Eden” is not mentioned in the Gospels.

Doesn’t this suggest that the Adam and Eve story is less important than many Christians think it is?
Jesus did mention them in passing when advising on divorce saying from the beginning it was not so.

Also Adam is mentioned in the Luke genealogy as "the son of God."

Since faith that Jesus is the son of God is central to salvation, the identity of Adam really does matter.

The underlying theme of Jesus starting a new humanity through his royal bloodline would have no context without Adam being a real person.

Jesus being described as the last Adam in scripture also implies that the identity of Adam and Eve is a foundational concept tied to the identity of Jesus.

So for the above and other reasons, the story of Adam and Eve is really important.
 
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I hear Christians talking about Adam and Eve.
What did Jesus say about Adam and Eve?
“Adam” is not mentioned in the Gospels.
“Eve” is not mentioned in the Gospels.
The “Garden of Eden” is not mentioned in the Gospels.

Doesn’t this suggest that the Adam and Eve story is less important than many Christians think it is?
Adam is mentioned by name once in the Gospels in St Luke 3.38.

And there is an implicit reference to Adam & Eve in the teaching of Jesus on marriage in St Matthew.
 
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Thank you for your post all I'm saying is the first and last Adam would be created in the same way the last Adam Jesus Christ was created he being the head his body comprised of a whole multitude of believers which he would present to the Father on his return.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but there are problems with the specific way in which you expressed it.

It is the case that through the transgression of Adam, humanity became corrupt and mortal, and through the salvific work of Christ on the Cross, who, to quote St. Athanasius, became man so that we could become god, that is to say, becoming by grace what Christ is by nature, for He trampled down death by death, and on those in the tombs bestows life at the Eschaton, when we will be raised incorruptible before the Last Judgement.

It is also the case that the Church is the mystical body of Christ.

However, the fall of Adam caused us to become mortal and sinful through inheritance - this understanding of original sin as ancestral sin was explained very well by St. John Cassian, a contemporary of St. Augustine whose anti-Pelagian exposition on hamartiology was strongly preferred by the early church, even the Western church, with St. Augustine venerated for other reasons (his piety, humility and his work The City of God which reassured the people of Rome about the meaning of their lives even as the Western Roman Empire collapsed, causing them to realize an important lesson that St. Solomon the Royal Prophet also teaches us in Ecclesiastes, and that Christ teaches us in the Gospels, about the importance of treasure in heaven vs. spiritual treasure.

Conversely, our salvation through Jesus Christ does involve our membership in the Church, which is the mystical Body of Christ, but that does not mean that our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ is a multi-personal compound entity into which each Christian is somehow joined, nor does it mean Adam was that (for if Adam was that, Adam would not be human, and there is no way that he would be able to cause the spread of the disease of sin and death to his offspring). Likewise, if Christ were created of a whole multitude He would be neither human nor God, and thus unable to save us.

Let us pause to remember, according to the Nicene Creed / CF Statement of Faith, Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made, begotten of the Father before all ages, who put on our created human nature by means of his miraculous conception through the actions of God the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary. According to John 1:1-18, He is God, the Incarnate Word of God, through whom the Father is revealed. Thus, while He put on our created humanity in order to restore and glorify it, uniting it in one hypostasis with HIs divinity, He remains fully God, an uncreated person, coequal to and coeternal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. He put on our humanity, uniting it with His divinity without change, confusion, separation or division (these four key words are the basis of Christological orthodoxy that underlines the faith of the Chalcedonian churches, the Oriental Orthodox or miaphysite churches, and the Assyrian Church of the East*).

If Christ is not fully human, and not fully divine, He would not be in a position to save it, because His salvation of us on the Cross involved remaking us in His image, as the Son of Man, in whom the invisible God dwells bodily, to quote the Gospels of St. Mark and St. John.

Through His incarnation, baptism, transfiguration, passion, resurrection and ascension, Christ our True God put on our humanity and glorified it.

We become mystically united with Him by partaking of His body and blood in the Eucharist - this is what St. Paul meant, if we refer the sections of 1 Corinthians and elsewhere where He describes the Church as the Body of Christ with 1 Corinthians 11 where he describes the institution of Holy Communion in the Cenacle at the Last Supper, in which we participate Eucharistically through the sacrament of Holy Communion (and we see an early example of this in the ending of the Gospel according to Luke, where our Risen Lord became known to the Apostles in the breaking of bread).

Thus, it is incorrect to say that either Adam or Jesus Christ was created as a multi-personal being, and it is even more incorrect to say that Jesus Christ was created at all, for althoug He put on our created nature, He is an uncreated person.

Nestorius tried to argue that there was a difference between the uncreated Christ and the man Jesus, that they were two persons united by a single will (and he did this in order to come up with a theological rationale for suppressing the use of the term “Theotokos” in the Patriarchate of Constantinople), but this clearly contradicts the Nicene Creed which speaks of One Lord Jesus Christ and not two, and interestingly enough it was later discerned from Scripture at the Sixth Ecumenical Synod that our Lord has a human will and a divine will, in response to the heresy of Monothelitism (which itself was in many respects a sort of neo-Apollinarianism; Apollinarius was a fourth century heretic who taught falsely that our Lord had a human body with a divine soul, which is a confusion of His humanity and divinity, rather, it is more accurate to say that He is fully man and fully God, without change, confusion, separation or division, having united humanity hypostatically with his uncreated divinity, thus becoming fully human, (arguably the prototypical human, for on the Cross He recreated us in His image) while remaining fully God.

I hope this helps clarify this point, because what you said was very close to being correct, and indeed much closer than the doctrine of many members who seem to gloss over St. Paul’s description of the Church as the Body of Christ.


*In the case of the Church of the East, this happened, after it realized, during the reign of Mar Babai the Great in the early 7th century that the Nestorian Christology promoted within it by Bar Sauma of Nisibis (the city to which those theologians from Antioch who were allied to Nestorius emigrated after the Council of Ephesus anathematized Nestorianism in 433 AD) who had in the previous century wrested control of the Church of the East uncanonically with the help of the Sassanian Persian king from the legitimate Catholicos, that Nestorianism is inherently flawed, thus Mar Babai the Great essentially translated Chalcedonian Christology into Syriac (there are some differences with regards to terminology that cause some people to accuse the Church of the East of still being Nestorian, but since the Church of the East stresses the unity of Christ in one person, and uses the same four words as the Oriental Orthodox and the Chalcedonians to describe the relationship of His humanity and divinity - without change, confusion, separation or division, it is clear that it is not, and this point was made very clear about a thousand years ago, give or take 200 years, I can’t remember off the top of my head, Mar Gregory bar Hebraeus, a Syriac Orthodox Maphrian (Archbishop with vice-Patriarchal duties in charge of the Eastern half of the Syriac Orthodox church), who sought to foster strong relations with the Church of the East and desired the same happen with the Western half of the church in its relationship with the Antiochian Orthodox (which did eventually happen, in both cases, to the extent that St. Gregory bar Hebraeus when he reposed while travelling from Tikrit back to his monastery in the hills above Mosul, which miraculously survived the ISIS occupation of that city and is still extant, the Monastery of St. Matthew, his funeral was attended by the Patriarch of the Church of the East and 4,000 Assyrian laity).
 
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Adam is mentioned by name once in the Gospels in St Luke 3.38.

And there is an implicit reference to Adam & Eve in the teaching of Jesus on marriage in St Matthew.

And to Genesis 1 in John chapter 1, which is appropriate, since Christ recreated us on the sixth day before resting on the seventh, and on the next day, both the first day of the Age to Come and the mystical eighth day of creation, thanks to the Paschal light of His resurrection, we can say “Let there be light!” for the same reason we say “Christ is Risen!”

In the Roman church, are you familiar with the Paschal Troparion?

“Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death”

it is used by the sui juris Byzantine Rite Catholic Churches such as the Ukrainian Greek Catholics, the Melkite Greek Catholics, the Ruthenian Greek Catholics, the Italo-Albanian Greek Catholics and other churches that share the Byzantine Rite liturgical heritage with the Eastern Orthodox (on which Fr. Robert Taft, SJ, memory eternal, was an expert; he wrote “A Short History of the Byzantine Rite” which is an amazing work of liturgiology and liturgical history, in that in it he neatly describes the history of our shared Byzantine liturgy in a very brief novella-length text which is also extremely accessible to laity who are not experts in liturgical studies; he also wrote the definitive work on the DIvine Office, which he entited “The Liturgy of the Hours, East and West”, in which he tracked the history and development of Matins, Vespers and other services of daily prayer in all liturgical churches, which is an incredible achievement.

Also, do you still use the Trisagion hymn on Good Friday “Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, who was crucified for us, have mercy on us” in regular parishes? i know its part of the formal liturgical celebrations, and at St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican it is interestingly sung in Greek as well as in Latin - I would love to see that some day and to make a pilgrimage there to venerate the relics of St. Peter and the numerous other relics in Rome.

One thing where our churches have developed a very constructive relationship is in terms of access to relics, for example, Orthodox pilgrims are granted access to the myrhh that has always streamed from the relics of St. Nicholas of Myra, before and after their relocation to Bari. I actually wish the Three Holy Hierarchs had not been returned to the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, simply because the church where they are now kept, the Patriarchal Cathedral of St. George, is insecure, located in the Phanar district of Constantinople, where most of the hierarchy of the Patriarchate of Constantinople is from, but which has never been fully repaired from damage caused to it in the most recent pogrom, in the 1950s, and with Erdogan’s recent conversion of the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque after a century of being a neutral museum space, that makes me worried; worse, Turkey has a history of using its antiquities laws to prevent relics or historical Christian manuscripts from being exported, and then seizing those items, and then the items mysteriously “disappear.”
 
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Hi mystery Girl
Thank you for your post all I'm saying is the first and last Adam would be created in the same way the last Adam Jesus Christ was created he being the head his body comprised of a whole multitude of believers which he would present to the Father on his return.
The first Adam would be created in the same way Adam would be the head his Eve those chosen to be his bride and and all their children a whole multitude.
But Christ is fully God, as well as since the Incarnation being fully Man. As God, He is eternal. He was not created. Indeed, we are told that it is through Him that all things were created:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

John makes clear that by "the Word" he means Jesus Christ, because he says that the Word became flesh. So how can you say that the first and last Adam would be created in the same way the last Adam? The first Adam was created. The last Adam is eternal.
 
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I notice that you quote I Timothy 2:11-15, leaving us with a rather negative view of women.

I believe that passage was cited with reference to Eve specifically, not women generally, insofar as Paul refers to Adam and Eve as real people.


[In my Sunday school class,] a boy asked our teacher how all the racial diversity in the world could come from Adam and Eve. The teacher responded by saying that there could be more than one Garden of Eden ... each with a specially created man and woman. ... You may think this is the craziest idea you've ever heard, ... [It also solves other problems] besides racial diversity. Who did the sons of Adam and Eve marry?

It is certainly one of the craziest—and entirely unnecessary, which makes it worse. The answer is that all the racial diversity in the world didn't come from Adam and Eve, but existed long before they appeared on the scene, and it included those whom their sons married.


If you think that Adam and Eve are historical people, it looks like this is where you end up.

That does not follow. That is where you end up if you think Adam and Eve were the first humans. You can have an historical Adam and Eve who were not the first humans.
 
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I believe that passage was cited with reference to Eve specifically, not women generally, insofar as Paul refers to Adam and Eve as real people.




It is certainly one of the craziest—and entirely unnecessary, which makes it worse. The answer is that all the racial diversity in the world didn't come from Adam and Eve, but existed long before they appeared on the scene, and it included those whom their sons married.




That does not follow. That is where you end up if you think Adam and Eve were the first humans. You can have an historical Adam and Eve who were not the first humans.

How long do you say that humans were on earth before Adam and Eve?

It looks like that contradicts the following verse.


Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
Genesis 3:20 NIV


Eve isn’t the mother of all the living if there were other humans.
 
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I believe that passage was cited with reference to Eve specifically, not women generally, insofar as Paul refers to Adam and Eve as real people.




It is certainly one of the craziest—and entirely unnecessary, which makes it worse. The answer is that all the racial diversity in the world didn't come from Adam and Eve, but existed long before they appeared on the scene, and it included those whom their sons married.




That does not follow. That is where you end up if you think Adam and Eve were the first humans. You can have an historical Adam and Eve who were not the first humans.

This is an interesting approach although not one with much in the way of support from the Consensus Patrum or the early Reformed theologians.

Of course, I myself believe in an old Earth and evolution (there is actually a way to reconcile that with young Earth creationism which very people do, so I regard the entire debate over the issue as being a distraction from the more important business of metanoia.
 
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How long do you say that humans were on earth before Adam and Eve?

Roughly 250,000 years, give or take a month.


It looks like that contradicts the following verse:

Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20, NIV).

Eve isn't the mother of all the living if there were other humans.

That follows only if "the living" is defined in biological terms—which your argument presupposes but does not establish (and which I doubt the text would support anyway). My argument presupposes that it's defined covenantally, not biologically (insofar as it pertains to Genesis 3:15).
 
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This is an interesting approach although not one with much in the way of support from the consensus patrum or the early Reformed theologians.

This is not as concerning to me as it might be to you because, as someone in the Reformed tradition, I view the consensus patrum as subordinate to the canonical scriptures.
 
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This is not as concerning to me as it might be to you because, as someone in the Reformed tradition, I view the consensus patrum as subordinate to the canonical scriptures.

Indeed, but since your interpretation of the canonical scriptures is rather novel, you can’t exactly say that they support you in this case.

(Also, more than the consensus Patrum disagrees; I am aware of no divines of the Patristic era who shared your interpretation of Genesis 2, and indeed among all scholars of divinity who believe Genesis 2 refers to actual events, as opposed to the popular liberal hyper-Alexandrian interpretation that even Origen would find annoying, which regards Genesis 2 as being entirely allegorical, I haven’t heard of any that support your interpretation, although if you can point me to a movement in contemporary Reformed theology that does support the idea that Adam and Eve were not the first humans, that would be interesting to take note of.)

The real problem is that your interpretation undermines original sin, because in your interpretation the status of Christ as the New Adam is reduced in importance since there were existing humans, who were presumably either already sinful or who were else infected by sin from Adam, none of which is attested clearly in Genesis (of course, we have the strange line about “the sons of God marrying the daughters of men” but this line has no history of interpretation according to your view on the manner; rather there is a history of literal interpretation of 1 Enoch (but not by the only Christian church that regards it as canonical, the Ethiopians, who interpret it as Christological prophecy vis a vis the ending of Luke).

It is on this last bit also, that I see the primary problem with your model from an purely scriptural perspective of systematic theology. Since we know from the ending of Luke that all the books of the Old Testament are chiefly Christological prophecy, the idea that Adam and Eve are not the first humans kind of undermines that and introduces a bit of a distraction, by focusing our attention on Genesis rather than on the Holy Gospels.
 
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Roughly 250,000 years, give or take a month.

Well, at least you have a sense of humor about it. I appreciate a man who can offer a deadpan delivery of a jest like that… “give or take a month…” very nice indeed.

And to be clear, I’m not rejecting your idea, its just that, because of its novelty, I need to see very strong evidence in favor of it. Including exegesis consistent with both the Hebrew text and the Septuagint (since the Orthodox Church, with good reason, regards the Septuagint as the most reliable*), and also it would need to survive scrutiny based on all the books in the canon shared between the Eastern Orthodox and the Coptic Orthodox, which represents a baseline for a pan-Orthodox (Eastern Orthodox + Oriental Orthodox canon, since while the Ethiopians have more books and in some cases different books in their canon, these are not interpreted in a manner that would contradict Coptic doctrine, for the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church was until the 20th century part of the (Oriental Orthodox) Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, when the Coptic Pope granted them autocephaly, and then in 1994 granted the Eritrean Tewahedo Orthodox Church autocephalous status.

*The good reason being due to the proliferation of pre-Masoretic Hebrew textual variants including those that we have recently discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and in the differences between the Masoretic and the sections of the Vulgate and Syriac Peshitta and the Ethiopian Ge’ez Bible directly translated from the Hebrew, and other ancient textual variants that have not survived but are attested to.
 
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Indeed, but since your interpretation of the canonical scriptures is rather novel, you can’t exactly say that they support you in this case. (Also, more than the consensus Patrum disagrees; I am aware of no divines of the Patristic era who shared your interpretation of Genesis 2, and indeed among all scholars of divinity who believe Genesis 2 refers to actual events—as opposed to the popular liberal hyper-Alexandrian interpretation that even Origen would find annoying, which regards Genesis 2 as being entirely allegorical—I haven’t heard of any that support your interpretation.)

Since I haven't invoked the consensus of the fathers, much less said they support my case, nor suggested that any divines of the patristic era share my interpretation, your caution is sort of misapplied (but certainly worth noting for those who require such support before giving a view any consideration).


... although if you can point me to a movement in contemporary Reformed theology that does support the idea that Adam and Eve were not the first humans, that would be interesting to take note of.

Since that is a point of historical interest not relevant to my argument, either its conclusion or how I reached it, I regard it as a digression I don't wish to engage. But there is a wealth of information out there charting that movement for those who, like you, are interested in learning more. My position, however, is admittedly a minority view, if I may state the matter generously; the majority view in Reformed theology, influenced by our confessional standards, is that Adam and Eve were the first humans.

But holding that view is unnecessary. The position I am defending, which is largely unknown in Reformed circles, is that Adam and Eve can be our first parents—which is what our confessional standards assert—without being the first humans; arguably, they're our first parents covenantally and genealogically, but not genetically, thus maintaining the doctrines of imago Dei and peccatum originale. This is not doctrinal delinquency because it is consistent with our confessional standards in holding them as our first parents.


The real problem is that your interpretation undermines original sin, because in your interpretation the status of Christ as the new Adam is reduced in importance, since there were existing humans who were presumably either already sinful or who were else infected by sin from Adam, none of which is attested clearly in Genesis

Your logic is not clear. How does Adam having contemporaries reduce the status of Christ as the last Adam? To be clear, on my view those people were not "already sinful" and that's because God didn't enter into a covenant relationship with mankind until the first Adam (who was the federal head of the old humanity), which contrasts with Christ as the last Adam (who is the federal head of the new humanity). Sin, in my view, is defined covenantally (vis-à-vis covenant promises, stipulations, privileges, and responsibilities) and passed along theologically via covenantal solidarity, not biologically via the gene pool, precisely because sin pertains to the covenantal relationship between God and man. The idea that those with no genetic relationship with Adam would thereby not inherit original sin only makes sense if sin is genetic—something contained in gametes, something passed along biologically—and I am not aware of any reason for thinking that it is. Both Adam's sin and Christ's righteousness are covenant realities of federal headship, and imputation refers to covenantal solidarity, not biological inheritance. We are fallen "in Adam," inasmuch as we are justified and righteous "in Christ" (cf. Rom 5:12-21).


Since we know from the ending of Luke that all the books of the Old Testament are chiefly Christological prophecy, ...

This is the case in my view, too. It is a strong emphasis in Reformed theology.

You think my idea that Adam and Eve were not the first humans "kind of undermines that," but you did not explain how. It does draw our attention to Genesis, but only because that's the primary text dealing with them.
 
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Since I haven't invoked the consensus of the fathers, much less said they support my case, nor suggested that any divines of the patristic era share my interpretation, your caution is sort of misapplied (but certainly worth noting for those who require such support before giving a view any consideration).

I’m afraid you don’t understand - any novel scriptural interpretation requires much more careful scrutiny than one which is well established, because it is within the realm of novel interpretations that grave theological errors have often been made, in many cases, accidentally. For example, consider Monothelitism, which must have seemed like a cracking good idea at the time, but which wound up getting the Pope of Rome, three Patriarch of Constantinople, the Patriarchs of Alexandriaa and Antioch, and the Eastern Roman Emperor anathematized, not to mention several lesser prelates, and caused St. Maximos the Confessor to die after the monothelites cut his tongue out; it was also probably the cause of the schism between the Syriac Orthodox and the Maronites (who later entered into communion with Rome, but only after centuries of isolation).

Likewise all of the Restorationist sects of the 19th century seem based around novel theological ideas that no one had ever thought of or put to paper before that time (but that didn’t stop many Restorationists from inventing anti-Catholic psuedohistories so as to suggest a historical provenance for their idea, much like how certain second and third century sects wrote false Gospels and Acts attributed to the Apostles, for example, the blasphemous Infancy Gospel of St. Thomas).

Now I am not accusing you of any of that; rather, I am seeking to explain why I believe it is incumbent upon us to scrutinize any novel or apparently novel interpretation of Scripture closely.

In the case of your idea, as I believe I said earlier, it was interesting, and I outlined the conditions under which I would be willing to consider it a valid theologoumemnon (a theological opinion that exists in an area where church doctrine is undefined) since it does have the attractive advantage of offering an additional approach to dealing with how to reconcile evolution with a non-allegorical interpretation of Genesis chapter 2, which I believe is important (because while the chapter in question is steeped in Christological prophecy, it derives its potency from its reality, insofar as it describes the origin of ancestral sin, the Fall from grace that makes us solely dependent on Christ our True God for our salvation.

Although since there already exists a rather good theologuomemnon which reconciles evolution with a non-allegorical interpretation of Genesis chapter 2, and also since the whole issue really doesn’t matter that much in the grand scheme of things, since evolution is important primarily as a guide to how biological systems will develop, whereas spending too much time on trying to reconcile it with Genesis (or conversely, trying to debunk it in the manner of some creationists) is simply a distraction from the Gospel and from repentence of our own sins, and is related to the inherent Western inclination towards having to neatly explain all aspects of the faith as opposed to recognizing the epistemological mystery that surrounds us and embracing what St. Dionysius the Aereopagite among others referred to as the “dazzling darkness” - the fog like the cloud atop Mount Sinai of the unknown and the unknowable about God, who in His essence is entirely beyond human comprehension, with God being knowable only thorugh His uncreated energies and visible only through the incarnation of the Word.

To be clear, on my view those people were not "already sinful" and that's because God didn't enter into a covenant relationship

That’s a result of your hamartiology being integrated with Covenant Theology, which in its Reformed fullness, is unknown to the Orthodox Church or the writings of the early church fathers, but which from my experience as a Congregationalist pastor, I am well aware of its importance to Reformed theology and I am sympathetic towards the idea in general. In this specific case however, you’ve pushed Covenant Theology past the breaking point, in that what you are saying is that if one person already alive prior to Adam and Eve killed another, that would not be sinful because of their lack of a covenant relationship with God, which is problematic, and rather than mitigating my concerns about the theology weakening the status of Christ as the New Adam by reducing greatly the impact of the Fall, has only increased it, since we see emergent in this theological conception, if I am correctly understanding what you have put forward about the lack of a covenant relationship making the pre-Adam humans sinless, an obliteration of the luminous state of Adam and Eve before the fall (unless you were to mitigate this, which you have not done, but perhaps you should, by saying that humans other than Adam and Eve were greatly lacking compared to them before the Fall, and that in their Fall, following expulsion from the Garden of Eden, they were reduced from the blessed state of being they occupied, which was unmatched until the resurrection of Christ our True God, who arising from the grave arose incorruptible and perfected, having been, as the Son of Man, the definitive human being, in which the fullness of God dwelled bodily, the means by which death was swallowed up in victory.

The problem is that any change to the initial conditions in Genesis risks unforseen soteriological and eschatological consequences in terms of the way people understand the vital truth of the Gospel, which centers around the victory of Christ over death on the Cross and the provision of the means of salvation to us, so that we might become by grace what He is by nature, heirs according to the promise and partakers of the divine nature, adoptive heirs of the kingdom of God.
 
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This is the case in my view, too. It is a strong emphasis in Reformed theology.

I greatly appreciate that you share that view, and indeed am aware of it (this being the great strength of Reformed theology over the very problematic Restorationist theologies of the 19th century, the problem being some of those theologies, such as ideas of John Nelson Darby, have been picked up by some Reformed churches and denomnations).
 
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