Did the early church worship on Sabbath?

[SabbathBlessings]

If one understood the Sabbath, that is is very spiritual, wouldn't say otherwise and certainly wouldn't be arguing against one of His commandments.

God will sort everything out in His time.

Happy Sabbath all.

 

[Leaf473]

If one understands the Sabbath, they definitely won't argue against it.

But... They may be perceived to be arguing against it by other brothers and sisters in Christ who don't share the same understanding

Tell wisdom, “You are my sister”
Call understanding your relative Proverbs 7

 

[Studyman]

Because IT IS...SIMPLE! lol

You can save your breath my friend, "many" who call Him Lord, Lord, will not be persuaded, as the Yeshua "of the bible" also acknowledges.

Luke 16: 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them "from the dead", they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Leaf473]

You can save your breath my friend, "many" who call Him Lord, Lord, will not be persuaded, as the Yeshua "of the bible" also acknowledges.

Luke 16: 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them "from the dead", they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

We want to enter by the narrow gate, don't we! ✝

The Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever a fugitive of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead said to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” If he said, “No;” 6 then they said to him, “Now say ‘Shibboleth;’” and he said “Sibboleth”; for he couldn’t manage to pronounce it correctly, then they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. At that time, forty-two thousand of Ephraim fell Judges 12

 

[Studyman]

We want to enter by the narrow gate, don't we! ✝

The Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever a fugitive of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead said to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” If he said, “No;” 6 then they said to him, “Now say ‘Shibboleth;’” and he said “Sibboleth”; for he couldn’t manage to pronounce it correctly, then they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. At that time, forty-two thousand of Ephraim fell Judges 12

Hos. 4: 17 Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone.

 

[Leaf473]

Hos. 4: 17 Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone.

Amen to that!

One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind - Romans

 

[Studyman]

Amen to that!

One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind - Romans

Yes, what one man esteems or another man esteems is of little consequence.

 

[Freth]

Amen to that!

One man esteems one day as more important. Another esteems every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind - Romans

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Acts 17:2-3 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Conclusion: Paul served the law of God, which calls for us to remember and keep holy the seventh day specifically as the Sabbath.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, what one man esteems or another man esteems is of little consequence.

That's right, the important thing is to give thanks

He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks

 

[Leaf473]

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Acts 17:2-3 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Conclusion: Paul served the law of God, which calls for us to remember and keep holy the seventh day specifically as the Sabbath.

Paul also shaved his head. Shall we follow him in that as well?

He shaved his head in Cenchreae, for he had a vow Acts 18:18

Oh, Lord, the great and dreadful God, who keeps covenant and loving kindness with those who love him and keep his commandmentsDaniel 9

 

[Studyman]

That's right, the important thing is to give thanks

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks. He who doesn’t eat, to the Lord he doesn’t eat, and gives God thanks

Paul isn't teaching men here that they are free to live in rejection of God's Commandments, even the least of them, and teach others to do the same, as long as they "give God Thanks" in their disobedience. Paul taught the Gospel of the "Christ" of the Bible, not the gospel of Leaf473.

There are traditions and preferences which do not cause a man to disobey God's Instruction in righteousness, we shouldn't judge a man for engaging in these.

But if these men were partaking of idols in pagan rituals, or drinking blood, or eating things strangled, or committing fornication, or other sins, Paul, like Jesus and Moses before him, would most definitely instruct them to abstain from such behavior.

But it is clear also, by the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible" and Paul, when they are all considered, that "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, will not be persuaded in their own mind to follow Jesus or Paul's instructions and example, and will refuse to submit to God's Righteousness even after God shows it to them, and will go about instead, to establish their own righteousness, and they will refuse to "Yield themselves" servants to obey God, as the Christ "of the Bible" and Paul teach. They will refuse to "offer themselves a living sacrifice to God" Holy, acceptable to God, and refuse to "yield their bodies" as "Instruments of Righteousness unto God", as Paul, Jesus and Moses also teaches.

So men are free to take a couple of sentences out of Paul's Letters, separate them from the rest of the entire bible, and then use them to justify their own righteousness or their own traditions which cause men who follow them to Transgress God's Commandments. And certainly "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, do just that, as Jesus Himself teaches.

But Paul isn't directing new converts in Romans 14 to reject, dismiss or disobey the Commandments of the God who gave them to the Christ in the first place. It would be good if you could be persuaded to believe the Christ of the Bible concerning these things in your own mind. But like Jesus said;

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Leaf473]

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Definitely

Whatever you do, in word or in deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-5-29/

Paul isn't teaching men here that they are free to live in rejection of God's Commandments,

Of course not. Why would anyone think that?

...even the least of them, and teach others to do the same, as long as they "give God Thanks" in their disobedience.

That's correct!

Paul taught the Gospel of the "Christ" of the Bible, not the gospel of Leaf473.

Again, why would anyone think otherwise?

There are traditions and preferences which do not cause a man to disobey God's Instruction in righteousness, we shouldn't judge a man for engaging in these.

True!

But if these men were partaking of idols in pagan rituals, or drinking blood, or eating things strangled, or committing fornication, or other sins, Paul, like Jesus and Moses before him, would most definitely instruct them to abstain from such behavior.

True again!

Paul does say that we can eat whatever is sold in the store, or whatever is served in the house of an unbeliever. So maybe some modification there as time went by

But it is clear also, by the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible"

Are those emphasis quotes?

...and Paul, when they are all considered, that "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, will not be persuaded in their own mind to follow Jesus or Paul's instructions and example,

Yes. I noted above that Paul shaved his head. That doesn't seem like something we are supposed to do today, but maybe you have a different view?

...and will refuse to submit to God's Righteousness even after God shows it to them,

God shows it to them in the scriptures? In the Church? Personal revelation by the Spirit? All of the above?

...and will go about instead, to establish their own righteousness,

Right, we don't want our own righteousness. We want the righteousness that was reckoned to Abraham when he believed God!

...and they will refuse to "Yield themselves" servants to obey God,

Right, we want to be servants of God.

...as the Christ "of the Bible" and Paul teach.

Just those two? Or the entire Bible? Or just the New Testament? Or the parts that talk about how Christians lived after Jesus' resurrection?

They will refuse to "offer themselves a living sacrifice to God" Holy, acceptable to God,

Right, we want to do that!

...and refuse to "yield their bodies" as "Instruments of Righteousness unto God", as Paul, Jesus and Moses also teaches.

Emphasis quotes again, or are you quoting words written by someone else?

So men are free to take a couple of sentences out of Paul's Letters, separate them from the rest of the entire bible, and then use them to justify their own righteousness or their own traditions which cause men who follow them to Transgress God's Commandments.

Yes, but just because we're free, doesn't mean we should do it

And certainly "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, do just that, as Jesus Himself teaches.

Emphasis quotes again? Or are you referring to people who cast out demons in Jesus name, prophesy in Jesus name, do mighty works in Jesus name, and also call him Lord?

But Paul isn't directing new converts in Romans 14 to reject, dismiss or disobey the Commandments of the God who gave them to the Christ in the first place.

Agreed.

It would be good if you could be persuaded to believe the Christ of the Bible concerning these things in your own mind.

I am!

But like Jesus said;

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Doesn't apply to me, I heard Moses and the prophets

Deuteronomy 5:1
Moses called to all Israel, and said to them, “Hear, Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I speak in your ears today, that you may learn them, and observe to do them

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, that's not what I was saying

Then I have no idea what you are talking about...sunset is sunset where ever you are...

 

[Leaf473]

Then I have no idea what you are talking about...sunset is sunset where ever you are...

Do you want me to explain more?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Do you want me to explain more?

You have not done a very good job thus far so...

 

[Leaf473]

You have not done a very good job thus far so...

Okay. The question I'm asking you is

Do you want me to explain more?

 

[ralliann]

Not only did the Jews come for Sabbath but the Gentiles, and in Acts we see almost the whole city wanted to be there on the Sabbath.

Acts 13:42-44
King James Version (KJV)
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Now we see the Gentiles keep the Sabbath in Antioch as we see Paul when he came there, meeting with them in the synagogue on the Sabbath day.

Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

We see much the same in the early church in Thessalonica when Paul as was his manner, entered on three Sabbath days and reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

And we see more of the same in the early church in Corinth were Paul went every Sabbath and we clearly see it says "persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."

Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

And we see it was the same thing that Christ had done when He was in His ministry before Paul.

Mark 6:2
And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luke 4:31
And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

As had Christ, the Paul worshiped in the early church on the seventh-day Sabbath. We clearly see that in his travels Paul attended the synagogue on the Sabbath with Gentiles and Jews, and preached Christ. Even in places where there was no synagogue, he searched for where the early church met for Sabbath worship.

We find much in history that shows the early church observing the seventh day Sabbath which nearly all Protestant, Orthodox, or Roman Catholic theologians agree was true, and showed that the Sabbath was clearly spread throughout the world in the early church.

Josephus
"There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.

Philo
Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99

Early Christians
"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).

Early Christians
"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14

2nd Century Christians
"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.

Early Christians
"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).

You can find even more in this study..
at https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/l...ath-first-day-during-first-five-centuries.htm

That was the Synagogue, not the Church, nor Christians.

 

[truthuprootsevil]

Not only did the Jews come for Sabbath but the Gentiles, and in Acts we see almost the whole city wanted to be there on the Sabbath.

Acts 13:42-44
King James Version (KJV)
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Now we see the Gentiles keep the Sabbath in Antioch as we see Paul when he came there, meeting with them in the synagogue on the Sabbath day.

Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

We see much the same in the early church in Thessalonica when Paul as was his manner, entered on three Sabbath days and reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

And we see more of the same in the early church in Corinth were Paul went every Sabbath and we clearly see it says "persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."

Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

And we see it was the same thing that Christ had done when He was in His ministry before Paul.

Mark 6:2
And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luke 4:31
And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

As had Christ, the Paul worshiped in the early church on the seventh-day Sabbath. We clearly see that in his travels Paul attended the synagogue on the Sabbath with Gentiles and Jews, and preached Christ. Even in places where there was no synagogue, he searched for where the early church met for Sabbath worship.

We find much in history that shows the early church observing the seventh day Sabbath which nearly all Protestant, Orthodox, or Roman Catholic theologians agree was true, and showed that the Sabbath was clearly spread throughout the world in the early church.

Josephus
"There is not any city of the Grecians, nor any of the Barbarians, nor any nation whatsoever, whither our custom of resting on the seventh day hath not come!" M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.

Philo
Declares the seventh day to be a festival, not of this or of that city, but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99

Early Christians
"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).

Early Christians
"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus." "Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14

2nd Century Christians
"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.

Early Christians
"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).

You can find even more in this study..
at https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/l...ath-first-day-during-first-five-centuries.htm

I agree with you and there are studies out there that indicate that the apostles and Paul kept the seventh day sabbaths, though from time to time they would meet on the first day or any day of the week because of persecution.

Christians a few hundred years after the death of the Apostles change the Lord's Day from the 7th the seventh day Saturday to the first day Sunday. Constantine made it law that the first day was the day of worship and the church went along with it.

The Lord himself established the Lord's Day as the seventh day, he did not change it Man changed the day of worship, Christianity changed the day of worship.

Remember the 7th and keep it holy. Now why would the Lord put that as one of The Commandments because he knew that it would get lost after the integration of the gentiles.

 

[prodromos]

Christians a few hundred years after the death of the Apostles change the Lord's Day from the 7th the seventh day Saturday to the first day Sunday.

Nope.

Constantine made it law that the first day was the day of worship and the church went along with it.

Christians had been meeting for worship before dawn on Sunday for centuries. They met before dawn because they then had to go to work, since the 1st day of the week was a normal work day. Constantine made it a day of rest in recognition of Christians worshipping on that day. His proclamation makes no reference to worship.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Council of Laodicea states in canon 29:

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

If Christians were already keeping Sunday instead of the commandment of God where God commanded to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy, there would have been no need in the late 300's to have a decree to not keep the Sabbath, if no one was keeping it.. Obviously there were still faithful Christians obeying God over popular traditions of man.

Not only was it a decree to not keep the Sabbath day holy, they were ordered to work on the Sabbath day, the exact opposite of what God commanded. Exo 20:8-11 written by God Himself. If this doesn't say anything about where Sunday sacredness came from and what spirit is behind it Act 20:29 , teaching the opposite of what the God of the Universe ordained Himself. Exo 31:18 from Creation Exo 20:11 when He made everything according to His perfect will.

According to Paul, whoever we obey, is who we serve. Rom 6:16 God commanded to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Ex0 20:8-11 it is part of His written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 Even the apostles taught we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29