Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[SabbathBlessings]

Your statement contains some truth but also reveals a few theological imprecisions that are worth clarifying.

What the statement gets right:​

• Romans 3:20 does indeed emphasise that “through the law comes knowledge of sin.” Scripture teaching affirms that the Mosaic Law reveals sin but does not justify us before God.
• Romans 6:16 supports the idea that we are not bound to remain slaves to sin. Paul teaches that obedience leads to righteousness, and scripture affirms that through grace, we can overcome sin.
• The idea of “dying to self” aligns with scriptural spirituality, especially in the context of baptism and ongoing conversion (see Catechism of the Catholic Church [CCC] 1266, 1423).

Where the statement falls short:​

1. Understates the role of grace: Saying “it’s a matter of dying to self and who we obey” risks sounding Pelagian—suggesting that human effort alone is sufficient. Scriptural teaching insists that grace is primary in overcoming sin. The Council of Trent condemned the idea that we can achieve righteousness without divine grace.
2. Ambiguity about justification: The phrase “Paul is just saying what sin is” in Romans 3:20 may imply that Paul’s point is merely descriptive. In fact, Paul is making a theological claim: that no one is justified by the works of the law, which is a cornerstone of scriptural soteriology. Justification begins with grace, not law (cf. CCC 1987–1995).
3. Potential confusion about slavery to sin: While the statement rightly notes that we are not bound to remain slaves to sin, scriptural teaching emphasises that this freedom is not automatic or merely a matter of willpower. It is the fruit of baptism, the sacraments, and ongoing cooperation with grace.

In short, the statement makes a gesture toward scriptural truths but lacks the precision and depth of scriptural teaching, especially regarding the necessity of grace and the nature of justification.

I wasn’t addressing those things in the post you’re responding to , it’s like me saying you didn’t address Ruth so your post falls short.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

No He said 6 days I believe Him Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3

That statement—“No He said 6 days I believe Him Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3”—reflects a literalistic reading of the Genesis creation account. Let’s unpack it in the context of the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8–11 and evaluate it.

Context in Exodus 20
The Sabbath commandment says:

“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:11)​

This links the command to rest on the Sabbath with the pattern of creation in Genesis 1. The author uses the six-day structure as a theological model for human work and rest—not necessarily as a scientific chronology.

There is an implied error is your statement, the error is that faithfulness to God requires rejecting non-literal interpretations. In Christian teaching, belief in the holy scriptures includes understanding the genre, context, and purpose of the text. Genesis is theological poetry, not a news paper report.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That statement—“No He said 6 days I believe Him Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3”—reflects a literalistic reading of the Genesis creation account. Let’s unpack it in the context of the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8–11 and evaluate it.

Context in Exodus 20
The Sabbath commandment says:

“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:11)​

This links the command to rest on the Sabbath with the pattern of creation in Genesis 1. The author uses the six-day structure as a theological model for human work and rest—not necessarily as a scientific chronology.

There is an implied error is your statement, the error is that faithfulness to God requires rejecting non-literal interpretations. In Christian teaching, belief in the holy scriptures includes understanding the genre, context, and purpose of the text. Genesis is theological poetry, not a news paper report.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The error is not believing God's own Testimony or thinking we correct Him.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The error is not believing God's own Testimony or thinking we correct Him.

Your statement is in error, not in affirming God's testimony, but in misidentifying the genre and intent of that testimony. Exodus 20:11 is liturgical and theological, not scientific. To insist on a literalistic reading risks conflating divine revelation with your own theological biases, and that is something that the Holy Scripture do not require.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your statement is in error, not in affirming God's testimony, but in misidentifying the genre and intent of that testimony. Exodus 20:11 is liturgical and theological, not scientific. To insist on a literalistic reading risks conflating divine revelation with your own theological biases, and that is something that the Holy Scripture do not require.

Exo 20:11 is the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 basically you're saying God is in error on His creation account. God is the one who created scientist, not the other way around.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Exo 20:11 is the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 basically you're saying God is in error on His creation account. God is the one who created scientist, not the other way around.

No, what I did say is that your statements are in error because you project your personal literalism onto the text and then question the integrity of those who do not share your literalism.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, what I did say is that your statements are in error because you project your personal literalism onto the text and then question the integrity of those who do not share your literalism.

I just believe what God says, without editing Him. God said He made everything in six days,

If you choose not to believe Him or feel He needs correcting that can be between you and He. Its why I do not believe in catholic doctrine. If we can't take Him at His Word and feel we know better, that's not what I want to build my house on.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I just believe what God says, without editing Him. God said He made everything in six days,

If you choose not to believe Him or feel He needs correcting that can be between you and He. Its why I do not believe in catholic doctrine. If we can't take Him at His Word and feel we know better, that's not what I want to build my house on.

You did it again. Your personal slant is "just believing" while anybody who doesn't agree is not listening to God. It's arrogant. It's bad theology. It's poor biblical interpretation. But if you said "I prefer a literal interpretation" that would be fine.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You did it again. Your personal slant is "just believing" while anybody who doesn't agree is not listening to God. It's arrogant. It's bad theology. It's poor biblical interpretation. But if you said "I prefer a literal interpretation" that would be fine.

It’s not a biblical slant, if we believe His own Testimony without trying to edit it, exactly just as He said. Sorry if you can’t see this, nothing more I can say.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It’s not a biblical slant, if we believe His own Testimony without trying to edit it, exactly just as He said. Sorry if you can’t see this, nothing more I can say.

one hopes that there's nothing more you will say on this matter..

 

[ARBITER01]

More fancy side stepping from NT doctrine. . .

Actually, it's no mystery (secret), it's public knowledge that no one keeps the commandments to God's standards.

Unless someone is going to raise up an Aaronic priesthood, build a temple, and have enough animals to sacrifice all the time, there's no way to meet the requirement of the law of moses.

And any idea that the law of moses changed because Jesus died on the cross is unbiblical, you have to do it all to adhere to it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nothing you said here is scriptural.
I want to let you know it does not use common sense, but it does brings into question your sincerity and honesty, as you twist and turn, and succeed only in contradicting and tripping up yourself.
Let me demonstrate that for you.

You said there are different laws, and you now want to claim that the ten commandments is the law that Adam was given because for there to be sin, there must be law... as if there are not other laws.
The Bible says Adam was given a law - a commandment, which he disobeyed. Genesis 2:16, 17; Romans 5:12, 19
Every reader of the Bible knows that. Why don't you.

Can you please show me from Scripture where coveting, stealing and wanting to be like God is not breaking God’s commandments. God said it is Exo 20:1-17 Just like God told Cain it was sin to murder- where is the law to thou shalt not murder? The Bible explains Itself if we allow it to.

The Bible says Adam sinned, and as a result, all men sinned.
The Bible further says... For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Romans 5:13
So, evidently, you don't know what the Bible says, or you twisted it out of shape.

Yes, Adam allowed sin to enter when both he and Eve disobeyed God. Sin is what separated man from God. Isa 59:2

The Bible tells us where there is no law, there is no sin
Rom 4:15 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
And what sin is 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Quoting from the Ten Commandments
Rom 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

This can’t be made more plain

Sin is missing the mark.
HELPS Word-studies
266 hamartía (a feminine noun derived from 1 /A "not" and 3313 /méros, "a part, share of") – properly, no-share ("no part of"); loss (forfeiture) because not hitting the target; sin (missing the mark).

266 /hamartía ("sin, forfeiture because missing the mark") is the brand of sin that emphasizes its self-originated (self-empowered) nature – i.e. it is not originated or empowered by God (i.e. not of faith, His inworked persuasion, cf. Ro 14:23).

Already addressed

Sin is not only breaking the ten commandments. It's disobedience of any of God's righteous requirements... whether known, or unknown. Galatians 6:1

And what is not of faith Rom 14:23 like reducing the commandments of God to an unbiblical number when God Himself numbered them Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 it is His personal Testimony Exo 31:18

If sin were only breaking the ten commandments, then it would mean that Satan was given the Ten Commandments in heaven, because he sinned John 8:44, and anyone making that claim would be making a claim that is even more nonsensical, and ridiculous than saying that Adam sinned against the ten commandments, because he could not sin against any other law, or commandment like..

Yes, you are starting to understand. The earthy temple was modeled after the heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 instead of of angels made in gold to cover the Ten Commandments in heaven they were real angels. Lucifer was a covering cherub meaning he was one of the angels before he rebelled that covered God’s holy commandments Exo 25:20 Eze 28:16. The Ten Commandments is what all will be judged by James 2:11-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30 why they were revealed in heaven at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19

“Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The Bible is based on repeat and enlarge, the bible explains itself not necessarily everything in one verse. It’s like watching a movie, does the whole plot and everything need to be told in the first 5 minutes. Allow the Bible to explain Itself, it does.

we can reasonably assume that every person born to him would have had to abide by the same command.

The tree was the test, sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12. In failing the test, they broke a lot of commandments

I also want to let you know, as I believe this is important... I think what you are doing here... the obvious twisting, is putting a stain on your religion, and many of the good people there, who have honest, sincere hearts. SDAs, like any other religion, whether Muslim, Hindu, etc. have a lot of nice sincere persons, and I also know that some of theses know the truth is against their religion, and would like to tear a few pages from the Bible, but I think you have upped that a few notches, and that affect how I see you. Not how I see SDAs.

However, I'm here responding to you, because I need to, if I am to represent God, and his truth, and do as the apostle Paul said... "our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ" 2 Corinthians 10:3-6

I think as a representative of God, we would need to not teach what Jesus who is God made flesh, warned us not to break or teach others to break and what He condemned in pretty serious words I believe many people will regret once He returns Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 1 John 2:4 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 etc.

 

[CoreyD]

No He said 6 days I believe Him Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3

The Bible says... This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens Genesis 2:4
I thought it might help, if the words were bigger.

 

[CoreyD]

Can you please show me from Scripture where coveting, stealing and wanting to be like God is not breaking God’s commandments.

This is a strawman.
It has nothing to do with the fact that nowhere in the Bible does it say God gave Adam the ten commandments, and if you want people to show you where in the Bible something that is not being discussed is, start by showing where something you said, is in the Bible... namely, "God gave Adam the ten commandments".

God said it is Exo 20:1-17 Just like God told Cain it was sin to murder- where is the law to thou shalt not murder? The Bible explains Itself if we allow it to.

This is not relevant to Adam and the ten commandments.
God was about to kill Moses' child because he was not circumcised.
That does not say God circumcised Adam, or commanded Adam be circumcised.

You could stretch, twist and bend the scriptures if you want it to say that, but it's not going to budge.

Yes, Adam allowed sin to enter when both he and Eve disobeyed God. Sin is what separated man from God. Isa 59:2

The Bible tells us where there is no law, there is no sin
Rom 4:15 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
And what sin is 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Quoting from the Ten Commandments
Rom 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

This can’t be made more plain

What are you trying to make clear?
That Adam was given the ten commandments?
You'd have to do a lot better that taking the scriptures and misapplying them.

It's clear enough when we read the Bible, that God gave the Israelites the ten commandments.
Deuteronomy 5:2, 3

The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. ​

Exodus 34:27

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”​

Saying otherwise, is to add your ideas to the scriptures, and tell persons the scriptures say what is not written... which is both a lie about the scriptures, and a lie on God.... both very serious sins.
The ten commandments were given to Israel... the Bible says. No one else.

Already addressed

And what is not of faith Rom 14:23 like reducing the commandments of God to an unbiblical number when God Himself numbered them Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 it is His personal Testimony Exo 31:18

Yes, you are starting to understand. The earthy temple was modeled after the heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 instead of of angels made in gold to cover the Ten Commandments in heaven they were real angels. Lucifer was a covering cherub meaning he was one of the angels before he rebelled that covered God’s holy commandments Exo 25:20 Eze 28:16. The Ten Commandments is what all will be judged by James 2:11-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30 why they were revealed in heaven at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19


The Bible is based on repeat and enlarge, the bible explains itself not necessarily everything in one verse. It’s like watching a movie, does the whole plot and everything need to be told in the first 5 minutes. Allow the Bible to explain Itself, it does.

The tree was the test, sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12. In failing the test, they broke a lot of commandments

I think as a representative of God, we would need to not teach what Jesus who is God made flesh, warned us not to break or teach others to break and what He condemned in pretty serious words I believe many people will regret once He returns Mark 3:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 1 John 2:4 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 etc.

Your pride is showing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Bible says... This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens Genesis 2:4
I thought it might help, if the words were bigger.

God said in His own Testimony Exo 31:18

and I'll use big font in hopes it helps. The Lord spoke and it was so Psalm 33:9

Gen 2:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And you can see the details of this in Genesis 1.

This cannot be made more clear if God had wrote these words Himself and He did.

I pray this helps.

 

[Clare73]

Paul is just saying what sin is in Rom 3:20, not that we have to continue being a slave to it. Paul even teaches we can overcome, its a matter of dying to self and who we obey Rom 6:16

Selective reading. . .explains so much.

Sorry you feel that way.

No need to feel sorry for interpretation of prophecy having to agree with NT apostolic teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16); i.e., no one keeps the commandments to God's standard.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's clear enough when we read the Bible, that God gave the Israelites the ten commandments.
Deuteronomy 5:2, 3

The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. ​

Exodus 34:27

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”​

Saying otherwise, is to add your ideas to the scriptures, and tell persons the scriptures say what is not written... which is both a lie about the scriptures, and a lie on God.... both very serious sins.
The ten commandments were given to Israel... the Bible says. No one else.

A covenant means an agreement.

God never made a covenant with an entire nation before Israel. Before they were all individual covenants. So not the same covenant/agreement, it doesn't mean God did not give everyone His instruction for righteousness as we see that Cain knew it was sin to murder which the commandment to thou shalt not murder only comes from God's Ten Commandments. Why some professed Christians try to downsize Gods own Testimony Exo 31:18, I will never understand.

Your pride is showing.

Thankfully, you are not my judge, you will have to stand before Jesus just like everyone else and nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14 When we have to resort to name-calling, it just shows where one is in their spiritual walk, so its more of a refection of that person than anyone else. Mat 7:1-5

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Selective reading. . .explains so much.

No need to feel sorry for interpretation of prophecy having to agree with NT apostolic teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16); i.e., no one keeps the commandments to God's standard.

So are we just to ignore Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 and beleive that the devil has more power to keep us in sin than God does to deliver us from sin, basically failing what He came to do Mat 1:21 when He promises we can overcome when abiding in Him John 14:15-18 John 15:4,5,10 . Sorry, you will never be able convince of this. No one is saved in their sins Heb 10:26-30 its what the other spirit wants us to beleive 1 John 3:8

 

[Clare73]

So are we just to ignore Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 and beleive that the devil has more power to keep us in sin than God does to deliver us from sin, when He promises He can when abiding in Him John 14:15-18 John 15:10 . Sorry, you will never be abler convince of this.

Red herring. . .

 

[CoreyD]

God said in His own Testimony Exo 31:18

and I'll use big font in hopes it helps. The Lord spoke and it was so Psalm 33:9

Gen 2:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And you can see the details of this in Genesis 1.

This cannot be made more clear if God had wrote these words Himself and He did.

I pray this helps.

Ignoring Genesis 2:4 the, which says those sis days are one day? Okay.