Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

[rjs330]

Sure there is - "hostile attitudes toward its citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles". How can you discover "hostile attitudes" if not through speech?

Actions.

Radical" speech is still speech.

Radical speech may be a symptom of being a radical and acting like one.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Irrelevant. Terrorist does have a definition.

However, I think that the US Constitution provides legal protections to speech that can be interpreted as radical, threatening or supporting of terrorism.

The Constitution does not provide the right for everyone to be here that wants to be here. Therefore we most certainly can tell people to leave based upon their actions that are deemed threatening and supporting terrorists and terrorist organizations. Thats why we have immigration laws. There are certain kinds of people who dont belong here. And the laws recognize that.

 

[BPPLEE]

Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion about the Democratic Party suppressing free speech.

Most such protesters don't vote Dem because they're considered too far right.

Where did you get this information?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Where did you get this information?

Back in the day I used to read a number of twitter accounts that got comments from "Left Twitter". The kind of people that would consider corning someone in a room for hours as "righteous" (and would have done it themselves given the chance) called themselves "leftists" and decried the namby-pamby "liberals" and "progressives" that would go that far, or worse, would condemn those tactics.

 

[NxNW]

Terrorist does have a definition.

The Constitution does not provide the right for everyone to be here that wants to be here. Therefore we most certainly can tell people to leave based upon their actions that are deemed threatening and supporting terrorists and terrorist organizations. Thats why we have immigration laws. There are certain kinds of people who dont belong here. And the laws recognize that.

All we need now is an intelligent way to discern who these people are. So far we haven't seen that.

 

[Hentenza]

From what I understand the "fire in a theater" one is not law but an example used by a judge. That said those limitations would be case law as I pointed out in my response. Now, are you actually going to detail out where these supposed limitations to speech reside in dealing with visas or no?

How about the one about the bomb in the airport? Lol

We are being a bit obtuse, don’t you think?
Here are the US Federal Laws. They are not in the constitution but are based on the constitution. They do tell you what you can or can’t do so it is not a free for all.

Federal laws and regulations | USAGov

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www.usa.gov

 

[Belk]

How about the one about the bomb in the airport? Lol

We are being a bit obtuse, don’t you think?
Here are the US Federal Laws. They are not in the constitution but are based on the constitution. They do tell you what you can or can’t do so it is not a free for all.

Federal laws and regulations | USAGov

Research federal laws and find out how they are made. Learn about copyrights and how to get copies of your government files.

www.usa.gov

I take it you are unable to support your contention there are specific restrictions to free speech that come from being a visa holder?

 

[Hentenza]

I take it you are unable to support your contention there are specific restrictions to free speech that come from being a visa holder?

Already have.

 

[Belk]

Already have.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Federal agents staging near Dodger Stadium denied entry to parking lot, sources say​

The agents declined to say why they were at the stadium when asked by a Times reporter.

The Dodgers have been under pressure since the raids began earlier this month to make a statement in support of immigrants. On Wednesday, the team said it intended to announce plans Thursday to assist the immigrant communities recently affected in Los Angeles.

 

[Pommer]

Federal agents staging near Dodger Stadium denied entry to parking lot, sources say​

The agents declined to say why they were at the stadium when asked by a Times reporter.

The Dodgers have been under pressure since the raids began earlier this month to make a statement in support of immigrants. On Wednesday, the team said it intended to announce plans Thursday to assist the immigrant communities recently affected in Los Angeles.

Maybe they’ll making sure that the peanut vendors are all papered-up?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Maybe they’ll making sure that the peanut vendors are all papered-up?

Probably some Yankee fan wants to ship Shohei Ohtani back to Japan.

And a few others.

Dodgers 2025 international class includes 29 players from seven countries​

 

[essentialsaltes]

Marines, not just for Los Angeles any more.

700 military personnel sent to Texas, Florida, Louisiana to support ICE​

 

[BCP1928]

Marines, not just for Los Angeles any more.

700 military personnel sent to Texas, Florida, Louisiana to support ICE​

Doesn't Texas have a national guard?

 

[Hentenza]

Doesn't Texas have a national guard?

Yes. They are involved in guarding the border under operation lone star.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Federal agents staging near Dodger Stadium denied entry to parking lot, sources say​

The agents declined to say why they were at the stadium when asked by a Times reporter.

Several local journalists had spotted dozens of DHS vehicles, with masked officers, near Dodger Stadium on Thursday morning. The agents refused to tell a Los Angeles Times reporter why they were there.

Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs at the DHS, said in a statement on Thursday afternoon that “this had nothing to do with the Dodgers. CBP [i.e. not ICE] vehicles were in the stadium parking lot very briefly, unrelated to any operation or enforcement.”

 

[Richard T]

I never considered if the 3rd amendment in quartering troops would apply to city or even state property but I guess that it would. I'm glad they asked permission. I wonder if in the future the need will reoccur in other places? Seems like the threat to ICE will require them to maintain a bigger presence all over. I guess they can stage on federal property, there should be enough of that.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes. They are involved in guarding the border under operation lone star.

What about the Texas Rangers? This is just the kind of gig they were founded for and ICE operations would be just their style.

 

[Hentenza]

What about the Texas Rangers? This is just the kind of gig they were founded for and ICE operations would be just their style.

Some Texas Rangers patrol the border in “Ranger Reconnaissance Teams (Riverine operations)” but that’s not their main role. They are mostly in major crimes investigations. Their website is below.

Ranger Responsibilities | Department of Public Safety

www.dps.texas.gov

 

[Hans Blaster]

What about the Texas Rangers? This is just the kind of gig they were founded for and ICE operations would be just their style.

When they finish with the Rangers, then they can raid the Cowboys. The Cowboys have a bad history with "Ice".

 

[essentialsaltes]

A federal judge has ruled against President Trump's use of the National Guard in Los Angeles, siding with the state of California's argument that the president erred in how the guard was being activated. The order requires Trump to return control of the National Guard to California Gov. Gavin Newsom by noon Friday (Pacific Time).

Welp, Appeals Court says otherwise.

The case has not yet been decided, but the 9th Circuit leaves control in Trump's hands for the moment.

Trump can command National Guard as California’s legal challenge moves forward, appeals court says​

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decided Thursday to leave troops in Los Angeles in the hands of the Trump administration while California’s objections are litigated in federal court, finding the president had broad — though not “unreviewable” — authority to deploy the military in American cities.

“We disagree with Defendants’ primary argument that the President’s decision to federalize members of the California National Guard ... is completely insulated from judicial review,” Judge Mark J. Bennett of Honolulu, a Trump appointee, wrote for the appellate panel.

[But the court must be deferential to the president in matters of the military.]

One thing Thursday’s ruling did not touch is whether the administration violated the Posse Comitatus Act by deputizing the military to act as civilian law enforcement — an allegation California leveled in its original complaint but which Breyer effectively tabled last week.

“The Posse Comitatus Act claim has not been resolved because it was essentially not ripe last Thursday,” when troops had just arrived, [Brennan Center legal expert] Goitein said. “It is ripe now.

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