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Which of the following three would show God’s Love to be the greatest:

  • God forgives everyone’s sins, but only those who humbly accepts God’s forgiving them as pure undeserved charity, complete the transaction, so forgiveness takes place and they are thus saved. This is supported by Matt.18:21-35 the unmerciful servant (which might be explaining only the time prior to the cross) and Ro. 3:25 in the NIV translation especially.
  • God sees to the torture, humiliation and murder of His son to somehow provide payment and/or substitution to forgive the sins of everyone so God can receive the help He needs to forgive everyone, with the add on idea the sinner has to believe this happened for him/her to be saved/forgiven.
  • God, like any wonderful loving Father, has the Love to easily forgive all His Children, but also like any Loving Father, must try to Lovingly discipline His rebellious children for all the benefits of Loving disciplined correctly received can provide. Prior to the cross there was no way to Lovingly discipline His children and allow them to continue living (NIV Ro. :25), but after the cross, His forgiven children can humbly accept His forgiveness as pure charity and also be disciplined (Biblically punished), by being empathetically crucified with Christ.
Which would show the greatest Love and why?
 

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Which of the following three would show God’s Love to be the greatest:

  • God forgives everyone’s sins, but only those who humbly accepts God’s forgiving them as pure undeserved charity, complete the transaction, so forgiveness takes place and they are thus saved. This is supported by Matt.18:21-35 the unmerciful servant (which might be explaining only the time prior to the cross) and Ro. 3:25 in the NIV translation especially.
  • God sees to the torture, humiliation and murder of His son to somehow provide payment and/or substitution to forgive the sins of everyone so God can receive the help He needs to forgive everyone, with the add on idea the sinner has to believe this happened for him/her to be saved/forgiven.
  • God, like any wonderful loving Father, has the Love to easily forgive all His Children, but also like any Loving Father, must try to Lovingly discipline His rebellious children for all the benefits of Loving disciplined correctly received can provide. Prior to the cross there was no way to Lovingly discipline His children and allow them to continue living (NIV Ro. :25), but after the cross, His forgiven children can humbly accept His forgiveness as pure charity and also be disciplined (Biblically punished), by being empathetically crucified with Christ.
Which would show the greatest Love and why?
They are all the same.
God has put the proverbial "credit card" on the table; but we have to pick it up and use it.
 
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No, they are not the same. 1 is salvation under the OT, 2 is substitution and 3 has discipline.
I disagree.
Both are salvation.
God so loved people that He provided a way for them to live eternally.
Only rejection of God's ways will cost one his eternal life.
 
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I disagree.
Both are salvation.
God so loved people that He provided a way for them to live eternally.
Only rejection of God's ways will cost one his eternal life.
How Loving and beneficial is it to provide fair/just loving discipline to your children?
 
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How Loving and beneficial is it to provide fair/just loving discipline to your children?
Very loving and beneficial.
If kids don't learn self-control and patience from their parents, they won't learn it at all.
 
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Very loving and beneficial.
If kids don't learn self-control and patience from their parents, they won't learn it at all.
The military helps some.
Parent who does not Lovingly discipline their children have them taken from them.
 
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Their discipline is far from loving.
The military want you to develop a strong bond between fellow soldiers going through the same discipline, which we can also have with Christ as we are being crucified at the same time.
Are you focusing on the "lovingly" or the "discipline"
Discipline. The Love is contingent on the person humbly correctly receiving discipline as a Loving act.
 
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The military want you to develop a strong bond between fellow soldiers going through the same discipline,
I think you are confusing love with fear .
which we can also have with Christ as we are being crucified at the same time.
"being crucified" ?
My crucifixion was over in about minute, at my water baptism into Christ's death...but that is a topic for another thread.
Discipline. The Love is contingent on the person humbly correctly receiving discipline as a Loving act.
The love of whom ?
 
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I think you are confusing love with fear .
I am talking about Philia type Love between soldiers. They go through all their discipline training as a team.
"being crucified" ?
My crucifixion was over in about minute, at my water baptism into Christ's death...but that is a topic for another thread.
How often do you go through the memorial of the cross as a reminder?
The love of whom ?
The Love of the Child for the Parent.
 
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No, that point of view is never biblical. God said He can tell the weeds from the wheat from the very beginning. Don't assume that every human is God's child while it's not!
Acts 17: 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[b] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[c]
 
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Acts 17: 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[b] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[c]
Don't side track. Explain weeds and wheat!

God loves humans, no doubt. It's more or less like how we say we love applies, which automatically exludes the rotten ones. No one loves rotten apples. It boils down to when one becomes rotten in God's eyes, especially when He applies His foreknowledge. So we can't tell, only God knows at which point He would consider one is rotten. If God cares about the future of Israel, He can declare that Jacob He loves but Esau He hates. He can say so even before Esau's birth.
 
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Don't side track. Explain weeds and wheat!

God loves humans, no doubt. It's more or less like how we say we love applies, which automatically exludes the rotten ones. No one loves rotten apples. It boils down to when one becomes rotten in God's eyes, especially when He applies His foreknowledge. So we can't tell, only God knows at which point He would consider one is rotten. If God cares about the future of Israel, He can declare that Jacob He loves but Esau He hates. He can say so even before Esau's birth.
A good English psychology definition of Love and hate does not have hate the opposite of Love. Not having any concern for the other person is the opposite of Love. When you hate a person you still have deep feelings for that person.

If you really want to understand Biblical Godly type “hate” you need to look at verses like: Luke 14: 25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

Hate is thinking much less of and is in comparison to our Love for God. We are to Love our parents, wife children but that love in comparison to our Love for God/Jesus is hate.

I am sure God hated the fact that He could not work with Esau, but that does not mean Esau was even hell bound.

So yes, God is our example of Loving those we hates the same as He would.

The question can be asked: "How can God send people to "hell", if God Loves them?"
The "problem" is not with "God's Love", but the child humbly accepting that Love as pure undeserved charity and thus obtaining Godly type Love for themselves (Luke 7).
The person going to hell (and/or annihilation) is still Loved by God, but since that person's earthly objective was to obtain and grow Godly type Love and the person has refused to accept God's Love to the point they would never humbly accept it, there is nothing more God can do to help that person fulfill their objective, so God will at least use them to help others fulfill their objective.
God does not send a child to hell out of His Love for them, but out of God's Love for other children, who can be helped with the example of the person going to hell and/or the existence of a hell.
Think about this: were there people encouraged to humbly accept God's Love/forgiveness sooner than later and thus be heaven bound, partly because hell was awaiting them in the state they were in. The prodigal son came to his senses and could look around and see where his choices had led him. He could stay in a hell on earth pigsty starving to death or further disturb his father with an undeserved request for some kind of life. If there is no pigsty in the sinner's future, will that sinner come to his/her senses and turn?

People are not apples.
 
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