Israel Strikes Iran: Explosions in Tehran, Sirens in Israel

[wing2000]

“Is the nation God is referring to in Genesis, is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?” Carlson asked.

For once, I agree with a Tucker question....

 

[wing2000]

The day after planning?

“Have you commissioned any ‘day-after’ planning? Any force protection, any use of ground troops in Iran, any cost assessments?” Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-Michigan) asked Hegseth during a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Slotkin, a former CIA analyst who served three tours in Iraq, noted that the U.S. failure to plan adequately for the “day after” in its invasion of Iraq and intervention in Afghanistan has left many Americans “deeply concerned” about what would follow from a new American war in the Middle East.

“Have you authorized day-after planning?” she asked Hegseth.

“We have plans for everything,” he replied, without offering any further detail.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/18/israel-iran-strikes-live-us-trump/#link-ZC4FD55SAVAZZPGZJIATRRC3VE

 

[Vambram]

How far gone do you have to be taken to task by Tucker Carlson? Apparently Podcaster Ted is at that level.

I listened to that podcast. Both men raised up good points. In my opinion, Senator Ted Cruz, even though he wasn't perfect in the debate, won the debate with Tucker Carlson.

 

[public hermit]

The day after planning?

“Have you commissioned any ‘day-after’ planning? Any force protection, any use of ground troops in Iran, any cost assessments?” Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-Michigan) asked Hegseth during a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Slotkin, a former CIA analyst who served three tours in Iraq, noted that the U.S. failure to plan adequately for the “day after” in its invasion of Iraq and intervention in Afghanistan has left many Americans “deeply concerned” about what would follow from a new American war in the Middle East.

“Have you authorized day-after planning?” she asked Hegseth.

“We have plans for everything,” he replied, without offering any further detail.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/18/israel-iran-strikes-live-us-trump/#link-ZC4FD55SAVAZZPGZJIATRRC3VE

Planning has never been a priority for this administration, planning for everything is laughably not happening. These people think we're stupid.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump approved attack plans for Iran — but hasn't made a final decision to strike​

President Trump approved attack plans on Iran Tuesday night, but did not make a final decision on whether to strike the country and formally join Israel's air campaign, a senior intelligence source and a Defense Department official told CBS News.

Mr. Trump held off on deciding to strike in case Tehran agrees to abandon its nuclear program, the sources said.

"I like to make the final decision one second before it's due, because things change, especially with war," he said.

 

[public hermit]

Trump approved attack plans for Iran — but hasn't made a final decision to strike​

President Trump approved attack plans on Iran Tuesday night, but did not make a final decision on whether to strike the country and formally join Israel's air campaign, a senior intelligence source and a Defense Department official told CBS News.

Mr. Trump held off on deciding to strike in case Tehran agrees to abandon its nuclear program, the sources said.

"I like to make the final decision one second before it's due, because things change, especially with war," he said.

He's giving the ultimatum, ultimatum, which comes right before the "I guess I'll do it since the last person I talked to thought it was a good idea" final decision.

 

[Jamdoc]

Trump, I think, believed he could do anything at all he wanted to Iran and his base would go for it--because Iran is Muslim. The problem is, that Trump's base, despite their ugly belligerance, are still actually Christians at heart and there are some things even a MAGA Christian won't stand for.

I think a lot of people either forget or are totally unconscious about Iran's leadership's eschatology or constant barrage of "Death to America".

They see it as only an Israel problem, seems like Muslim lobbying has been successful at putting forth the idea that they only want to destroy Israel, and so it's not our problem as well. Iran doesn't just hate us for supporting Israel. They hate us because we backed the Shah, and the Islamists hate us because they hate western culture, seeing it as degenerate and "the Great Satan". Israel is only "the little Satan". The US in particular is "the Great Satan".
Twelver eschatology in particular, believes that they have to put the world into war in order to bring the Mahdi (their 12th Imam), and in particular they must war against the Jews. Their eschatology believes that unless they kill the Jews, the day of Resurrection is postponed.

What if there was a sect of Christianity that believed they had to kill all other denominations of Christianity to have the second coming of Christ? Would you want them to be in control of a country? Would you want them, in control of a country, possessing Nuclear weapons?

That's the equivalent of why Iran with nukes is so dangerous. They don't want nukes as a defense deterrent. They want nukes to strike their enemies and usher in the last day and resurrection.

 

[public hermit]

What if there was a sect of Christianity that believed they had to kill all other denominations of Christianity to have the second coming of Christ? Would you want them to be in control of a country? Would you want them, in control of a country, possessing Nuclear weapons?

It's unfortunate that analogy needs to be made, but God bless you for making it. It still doesn't change the fact our Leader and his "administration," are not the best people to navigate us through this (God help us), but the crowd (Leviathan) wants it, so here we go.

 

[Jamdoc]

I’m a follower of Christ and that‘s the lone label I require for myself. I have no affiliation with political parties or movements connected to their positions. Nor do I support senseless wars that risk the lives of men and women unnecessarily. The people authorizing these events aren’t putting their children in harm‘s way and Barron Trump won’t be enlisting.

And if that’s something to take pride in I’d rather be ashamed.

~bella

I'd have loved for there to be a deal, frankly we had one and Trump backed out of it and now a future deal is impossible because they know the next president can just undo it. They won't enter into one again or hold to it.

So once we'd crossed that bridge in 2018, we were in collision course with a probable military confrontation with Iran to dismantle its ability to make a nuclear weapon. They enriched to 20, then 60%, one step below weapons grade, some samples were found at 84% U235, dangerously close to weapon's grade.
The final straw was an IAEA report that Iran was testing implosion triggers, the kind used to detonate plutonium based atomic bombs, which we hadn't even been tracking on whether they could produce a plutonium based weapon, we'd been focused on HEU. That report came out days before Israel struck.

At that point, you know 100% they're going for a nuclear weapon.
What then do you do? The diplomatic process was getting nowhere and Iran was using it to stall for time while they tested components.

 

[Jamdoc]

It's unfortunate that analogy needs to be made, but God bless you for making it. It still doesn't change the fact our Leader and his "administration," are not the best people to navigate us through this (God help us), but the crowd (Leviathan) wants it, so here we go.

Yeah, just trying to reach something relatable. A lot of people just don't pay attention to Islamic eschatology. To be fair, the Twelvers are a minority sect, but that is the sect that controls Iran.

 

[Jamdoc]

For once, I agree with a Tucker question....

I don't. Ezekiel 36 talks about the return of the Jews to their land in unbelief after being scattered to every nation. Not just Babylon.

If that wasn't modern day Israel, what then is it? Because the promise is made that after they are gathered again, they won't be uprooted again.
Obviously that wasn't meaning after Babylon, because they were in fact, uprooted again and scattered to all nations.

 

[public hermit]

Yeah, just trying to reach something relatable. A lot of people just don't pay attention to Islamic eschatology. To be fair, the Twelvers are a minority sect, but that is the sect that controls Iran.

It's a relevant point. I feel badly for folks just trying to get by, which is the majority. How someone could have the love of Christ in their hearts and not be heartbroken by the brutality of power that we are seeing is beyond me.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I don't. Ezekiel 36 talks about the return of the Jews to their land in unbelief after being scattered to every nation. Not just Babylon.

If that wasn't modern day Israel, what then is it? Because the promise is made that after they are gathered again, they won't be uprooted again.
Obviously that wasn't meaning after Babylon, because they were in fact, uprooted again and scattered to all nations.

I, personally, love it when you say things like this. But unfortunately, for some, I fear their main goal is to try and dismantle any chance of any biblically predicted landmark from ever happening in the first place... Which is kind of a misplaced "goal", but a goal it surely is for some.

...But with Israel, what has already happened seems strangely unprecedented, considering the sheer size of their enemies, and all those years of preparation... All up in smoke in a matter of minutes.

 

[bèlla]

It's unfortunate that analogy needs to be made, but God bless you for making it. It still doesn't change the fact our Leader and his "administration," are not the best people to navigate us through this (God help us), but the crowd (Leviathan) wants it, so here we go.

You’ve elected leaders who were funded by AIPAC and pro-Israeli supporters. It doesn’t matter what they want. Their obligations must be fulfilled. While you can thumb your nose at the citizens it‘s a different matter when people are writing $100 million dollar checks. You can’t wiggle out of that too easily without consequences.

And if we‘re going to be fair-minded on the subject you’d have the weigh the results of western involvement in the region for financial interests. America and the UK are equally duplicitous and Wall Street benefits mightily. So let’s call the spade what it is. An unfortunate debacle with equitable hardships and questionable leasdership.

No one who genuinely intended to pursue a diplomatic solution would be threatening to assassinate the leader of the country they’re supposed to be working with. Nor would you trust their intentions or be willing to talk without conditions in place. And the fact that he did it on social media is equally alarming.

I hope you have your passport. ;-)

~bella

 

[public hermit]

You’ve elected leaders who were funded by AIPAC and pro-Israeli supporters. It doesn’t matter what they want. Their obligations must be fulfilled. While you can thumb your nose at the citizens it‘s a different matter when people are writing $100 million dollar checks. You can’t wiggle out of that too easily without consequences.

And if we‘re going to be fair-minded on the subject you’d have the weigh the results of western involvement in the region for financial interests. America and the UK are equally duplicitous and Wall Street benefits mightily. So let’s call the spade what it is. An unfortunate debacle with equitable hardships and questionable leasdership.

No one who genuinely intended to pursue a diplomatic solution would be threatening to assassinate the leader of the country they’re supposed to be working with. Nor would you trust their intentions or be willing to talk without conditions in place. And the fact that he did it on social media is equally alarming.

I hope you have your passport. ;-)

~bella

You bring up an interesting point, I think. Trump may very well not want to engage Iran, and in his small heart he would rather not, but there is a larger voice, and that voice definitely transcends the Republican/Democrat distinction. I think that's plausible, We all know he doesn't think for himself and usually attends to the most recent voice he's heard. Poor baby.

At any rate, although I hardly leave the county, I do have my passport.

 

[Jamdoc]

I, personally, love it when you say things like this. But unfortunately, for some, I fear their main goal is to try and dismantle any chance of any biblically predicted landmark from ever happening in the first place... Which is kind of a misplaced "goal", but a goal it surely is for some.

...But with Israel, what has already happened seems strangely unprecedented, considering the sheer size of their enemies, and all those years of preparation... All up in smoke in a matter of minutes.

God is certainly moving His hand. If He wasn't? Israel would have been squashed decades ago.

Iran surrounded them in a ring of fire... Israel dismantled it piecewise
There's things like Sinwar getting popped "coincidentally" without them even knowing it until he was identified later. This was not human doing to make these things happen. God made these moves.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think a lot of people either forget or are totally unconscious about Iran's leadership's eschatology or constant barrage of "Death to America".

They see it as only an Israel problem, seems like Muslim lobbying has been successful at putting forth the idea that they only want to destroy Israel, and so it's not our problem as well. Iran doesn't just hate us for supporting Israel. They hate us because we backed the Shah, and the Islamists hate us because they hate western culture, seeing it as degenerate and "the Great Satan". Israel is only "the little Satan". The US in particular is "the Great Satan".
Twelver eschatology in particular, believes that they have to put the world into war in order to bring the Mahdi (their 12th Imam), and in particular they must war against the Jews. Their eschatology believes that unless they kill the Jews, the day of Resurrection is postponed.

This post feels like it was straight from the 80s. ("Goin' back in time.")

What if there was a sect of Christianity that believed they had to kill all other denominations of Christianity to have the second coming of Christ? Would you want them to be in control of a country? Would you want them, in control of a country, possessing Nuclear weapons?

No religion should be in charge of any country ever.

That's the equivalent of why Iran with nukes is so dangerous. They don't want nukes as a defense deterrent. They want nukes to strike their enemies and usher in the last day and resurrection.

 

[rjs330]

I think a lot of people either forget or are totally unconscious about Iran's leadership's eschatology or constant barrage of "Death to America".

They see it as only an Israel problem, seems like Muslim lobbying has been successful at putting forth the idea that they only want to destroy Israel, and so it's not our problem as well. Iran doesn't just hate us for supporting Israel. They hate us because we backed the Shah, and the Islamists hate us because they hate western culture, seeing it as degenerate and "the Great Satan". Israel is only "the little Satan". The US in particular is "the Great Satan".
Twelver eschatology in particular, believes that they have to put the world into war in order to bring the Mahdi (their 12th Imam), and in particular they must war against the Jews. Their eschatology believes that unless they kill the Jews, the day of Resurrection is postponed.

What if there was a sect of Christianity that believed they had to kill all other denominations of Christianity to have the second coming of Christ? Would you want them to be in control of a country? Would you want them, in control of a country, possessing Nuclear weapons?

That's the equivalent of why Iran with nukes is so dangerous. They don't want nukes as a defense deterrent. They want nukes to strike their enemies and usher in the last day and resurrection.

Been saying this, this entire thread.

 

[trophy33]

I think a lot of people either forget or are totally unconscious about Iran's leadership's eschatology or constant barrage of "Death to America".

"Easy target, but we will not kill him, yet"

"Maybe I will join the war, maybe I will not, nobody knows".

"Unconditional surrender!"

Do you think there is a reason why some Muslim countries do not like America and do not chant for example "Death to Italy", "Death to Brazil" or "Death to Norway"?

"You reap what you sow." You can see it for example in how Canada changed their view of America (for example booing during your anthem), based upon your actions against Canada.

In any case, one thing is rhetorics and another thing is using a nuclear bomb.

 

[rjs330]

You’ve elected leaders who were funded by AIPAC and pro-Israeli supporters. It doesn’t matter what they want. Their obligations must be fulfilled. While you can thumb your nose at the citizens it‘s a different matter when people are writing $100 million dollar checks. You can’t wiggle out of that too easily without consequences.

And if we‘re going to be fair-minded on the subject you’d have the weigh the results of western involvement in the region for financial interests. America and the UK are equally duplicitous and Wall Street benefits mightily. So let’s call the spade what it is. An unfortunate debacle with equitable hardships and questionable leasdership.

No one who genuinely intended to pursue a diplomatic solution would be threatening to assassinate the leader of the country they’re supposed to be working with. Nor would you trust their intentions or be willing to talk without conditions in place. And the fact that he did it on social media is equally alarming.

I hope you have your passport. ;-)

~bella

Seriously? Trump is backing Israel just because of some donations? Trump has been an Israel supporter for a long time. This certainly is not a case where he wouldn't but has to because of the money.

The majority of Americans support Israel's response to Iran's work to create a Nuke.

A recent poll had more Americans saying we should support Israel than support Iran.

I think most Americans are concerned about another Iraq or Afghanistan. Thats not going to happen. If we end up assisting Israel militarily it will be from the air with bombs to take out the last nuclear site.

There will be NO war in Iran with troops on tge ground. Americans would not support that. I know I wouldn't.