Israel Strikes Iran: Explosions in Tehran, Sirens in Israel

[BCP1928]

You can’t be America first when you elect a president, congressmen and senators who were funded by AIPAC and the Israeli lobby. You’ll have to do their bidding and we’re already involved.

Israel has 250 jets and couldn’t do those missions alone based on their service requirements and the distance they have to travel. They aren’t acting by themselves and have help shooting missiles down and that’s always been the case, The country is the size of New Jersey and Iran is significantly larger. It’s often compared to Western Europe as an example of its size. We’re seeing the same with Russia and Ukraine. That’s why others have gotten involved.

The media is downplaying a lot to mask their dependency and reliance on our weapons and military support. We already have a presence in the region and several ships heading in that direction. What they’re not admitting is how our involvement could bring other countries into the fray.

Russia and China are supplying Iran as we speak and they got an agreement from Pakistan yesterday. It’s bigger than nuclear weapons now. You’re messing with people’s money and resources which makes it personal. It isn’t simply Iran’s oil. Others have a share in it too and rely on the income. China gets its oil from them as well.

The longer it continues the greater the incentive to bring it to an end or get involved. It’s impacting others now.

~bella

If Trump declares war on Iran it can only be in open defiance of the Constitution and armed resistance to the government.will be justified.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I thought MAGA was opposed to spending US blood and resources in foreign lands.

Nope. America first is specifically in regards to economics. Militarily, we want to spread our wings.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The far-left meets the radical-right in appeasing nuclear armed terrorists...

Iran is not nuclear armed. It is not 'appeasing' someone to refrain from dropping bombs on them.

Appeasing someone might be like making peace with someone while allowing them to annex land they've taken from somebody else.

 

[Desk trauma]

I thought MAGA was opposed to spending US blood and resources in foreign lands.

Fixed principles are pre 2016 nonsense.

Nope. America first is specifically in regards to economics. Militarily, we want to spread our wings.

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We going to get that welcome parade this invasion?

 

[Jamdoc]

Given Trump’s bravado concerning the Khomeini and his possible assassination they’ve heightened the decibel and this is the worst night of bombing. The dome continues to fail and the rubble is growing. And they’ve shot down F-35s. But Trump insists he controls the skies over Iran.

~bella

this isn't the exact place I read of the rationale but here's a place stating it, Google's AI also gives it as a reason

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...ng-missile-strike-locations-celebrating-iran/

 

[Jamdoc]

We have an updated report on cargo deliveries.

”The Telegraph reported on June 17. At least three Chinese cargo planes have been sent towards Iran since the conflict broke out on June 13. Boeing 787 freighters, which China sent towards Tehran, are commonly used for transporting military equipment and weapons.”

And Sanders issued a public statement concerning Iran. The video is 6 minutes and candidly says: Trump: Don't Drag the US Into Netanyahu's War with Iran

Thing is Nuclear Iran is not just a threat to Israel. Iran also calls for death to America, so yes we don't want them to have nuclear weapons.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Nope. America first is specifically in regards to economics. Militarily, we want to spread our wings.

Not according to MTG and many others in the MAGA movement.

"And foreign wars/intervention/regime change put America last, kill innocent people, are making us broke, and will ultimately lead to our destruction. That's not kooky. That's what millions of Americans voted for. It's what we believe is America First," she wrote.

Vance defends Trump amid attacks from his base over US involvement in Israel-Iran conflict​

 

[BCP1928]

Not according to MTG and many others in the MAGA movement.

"And foreign wars/intervention/regime change put America last, kill innocent people, are making us broke, and will ultimately lead to our destruction. That's not kooky. That's what millions of Americans voted for. It's what we believe is America First," she wrote.

Vance defends Trump amid attacks from his base over US involvement in Israel-Iran conflict​

Trump, I think, believed he could do anything at all he wanted to Iran and his base would go for it--because Iran is Muslim. The problem is, that Trump's base, despite their ugly belligerance, are still actually Christians at heart and there are some things even a MAGA Christian won't stand for.

 

[Desk trauma]

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Trump, I think, believed he could do anything at all he wanted to Iran and his base would go for it--because Iran is Muslim. The problem is, that Trump's base, despite their ugly belligerance, are still actually Christians at heart and there are some things even a MAGA Christian won't stand for.

How optimistic.

 

[bèlla]

I thought MAGA was opposed to spending US blood and resources in foreign lands.

They’re speaking out and don’t support our involvement. I’ve seen a lot of content along those lines being posted. And others that express betrayal and abandonment of the America first policy. Now that things have heightened we’re seeing opposition to drafts and personal involvement. The consensus amongst civilians is negative. Most of the pro-war messages are coming from talking heads and people paid to say it on camera.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

If Trump declares war on Iran it can only be in open defiance of the Constitution and armed resistance to the government.will be justified.

I wasn’t bypassing congress in that statement. But we’re living in strange times. Anything is possible. ;-)

~bella

 

[Desk trauma]

If Trump declares war on Iran it can only be in open defiance of the Constitution and armed resistance to the government.will be justified.

The US stopped declaring wars in the 40s. He’ll get some congressional use of force fig leaf and we will be on our merry way back to the Middle East to be showered with flowers and build a stable nation again.

 

[BCP1928]

I wasn’t bypassing congress in that statement. But we’re living in strange times. Anything is possible. ;-)

~bella

Congress is drafting a war powers act to prevent the President from declaring war unilaterally without Congressional approval. You wouldn't think they would need to, given that the Constitution is clear and unambiguous on the issue, but as you point out, these are strange times, Trump has declared he will "primary" any Republican who votes for it.

 

[Landon Caeli]

They’re speaking out and don’t support our involvement. I’ve seen a lot of content along those lines being posted. And others that express betrayal and abandonment of the America first policy. Now that things have heightened we’re seeing opposition to drafts and personal involvement. The consensus amongst civilians is negative. Most of the pro-war messages are coming from talking heads and people paid to say it on camera.

~bella

Are you getting your information from the Alex Jones / Tucker Carlson fringe..? Or are these legitimate facts?

...I'm not the type to associate with conspiracy theorists or extremist Skin Head type views. Personally.

 

[bèlla]

Thing is Nuclear Iran is not just a threat to Israel. Iran also calls for death to America, so yes we don't want them to have nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons are largely a deterrent for invasion. That’s why many have them. We don’t like North Korea Korea and covet their titanium. But they can’t take it from him without risk to themselves. So they leave him alone. The same holds true with Russia. That’s why Putin reminded NATO recently of their position. They have more nukes than anyone else. Do you think we wouldn’t strong arm China if they couldn’t meet us in battle with soldiers and weapons?

There’s a difference between saying death to America and not acting on it and threatening to assassinate the leader of a country on a social media platform while calling for their unconditional surrender in a separate post. If someone said the same about our leadership we’d be up in arms and calling it out. The statement was irresponsible and exacerbates a problem which could be diffused if calmer heads were involved.

The biggest threat to America isn’t Iran. It‘s the idiots we’ve elected and the one we’re supporting in the middle east. By the time the loyalists come to their senses they’ll understand the meaning of war. Or have you forgotten what Zelensky said before Trump exploded?

First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you, but you have a nice ocean [in between], and don't feel it now, but you will feel it in the future. God bless you.” “You will feel the influence. I’m telling you now you will feel the influence.”

I know what he meant. Do you?

~bella

 

[wing2000]

Nope. America first is specifically in regards to economics. Militarily, we want to spread our wings.

Oh, there's a Neo-Con branch of MAGA? I learned something new today!

 

[Desk trauma]

Oh, there's a Neo-Con branch of MAGA? I learned something new today!

There will be if their leader chooses invasion. They will have always been for foreign adventurers and occupation.

 

[bèlla]

Are you getting your information from the Alex Jones / Tucker Carlson fringe..? Or are these legitimate facts?

...I'm not the type to associate with conspiracy theorists or extremist Skin Head type views. Personally.

I don’t listen to either nor do I trust them. They’re positioned to influence certain demographics but they’re not in opposition. It just appears that way to the undiscerning.

~bella

 

[wing2000]

Nuclear weapons are largely a deterrent for invasion. That’s why many have them. We don’t like North Korea Korea and covet their titanium. But they can’t take it from him without risk to themselves. So they leave him alone. The same holds true with Russia. That’s why Putin reminded NATO recently of their position. They have more nukes than anyone else. Do you think we wouldn’t strong arm China if they couldn’t meet us in battle with soldiers and weapons?

Exactly. Just ask Ukraine.

 

[durangodawood]

They’re speaking out and don’t support our involvement. I’ve seen a lot of content along those lines being posted. And others that express betrayal and abandonment of the America first policy. Now that things have heightened we’re seeing opposition to drafts and personal involvement. The consensus amongst civilians is negative. Most of the pro-war messages are coming from talking heads and people paid to say it on camera.

~bella

Load of Trump supporters right here made a big deal about Trumps promised isolationism. It was a major rationale for their vote. So they said.