California Bill Would Prohibit ICE Officers From Wearing Masks in the State

[Postvieww]

. Californians’ safety in dealing with these federal agents is my problem

Do you feel the same way about masked rioters burning cars, looting businesses, and attacking law enforcement?

 

[BPPLEE]

Of course they are. Mexicans don't stop being Mexicans just because they have snuck into the US to work. In particular, Mexicans have a justified cultural claim to LA and since the Right is waging this as a culture war, the Mexican flag is probably appropriate.

Why don't we just give California back to Mexico?

 

[Postvieww]

Of course they are. Mexicans don't stop being Mexicans just because they have snuck into the US to work. In particular, Mexicans have a justified cultural claim to LA and since the Right is waging this as a culture war, the Mexican flag is probably appropriate.

Insane !

 

[Hans Blaster]

Supreme Court: Yes, the IRS Can Secretly Obtain Your Bank Records

The Supreme Court has sided with the IRS in a case that involves owing the IRS money, bank records, taxpayer privacy, and notice.

www.kiplinger.com

Supreme Court Rules That IRS Can Request Bank Account Info Without Notice To Third Parties

The IRS does not need to notify third parties when requesting a summons for banking records in collection matters.

www.forbes.com

Under the Bank Secrecy Act and the third-party doctrine (upheld in United States v. Miller, 1976), courts have ruled that individuals have no reasonable expectation of privacy in records held by third parties.

The IRS can issue an administrative summons (26 U.S. Code § 7602) to those third parties to obtain financial records without needing a warrant or showing probable cause. The IRS only needs to show that the records are relevant to an inquiry - a much lower standard than probable cause.

OK "relevant to an inquiry" where is the similar standard for ICE agents asking random daylaborers for "papers"?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Better yet, every protester can take in, house and feed a few illegal immigrants. I'm sure they don't really want to leave this country they hate so much

They don't need to be fed and housed. They work.

 

[BCP1928]

Insane !

What? That LA was a Mexican city before the Americans took it by force?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Better yet, every protester can take in, house and feed a few illegal immigrants. I'm sure they don't really want to leave this country they hate so much

Did it not occur to you a lot of these protesters have family members that have been targeted by ICE? These are people with jobs and families being picked up. Not loose animals on the streets.

Even still, this is happening to people from our community. Whether they’re here illegally or not, they’re being profiled. I’d have to be a pretty terrible person to see what I feel is injustice happening to people living around me and not care to raise my voice in protest. Especially when I fit all the criteria these ICE agents are looking for while profiling people on the street.

 

[BPPLEE]

They don't need to be fed and housed. They work.

Yeah but they live 20 of them in a 2 bedroom house or apartment and pay ridiculous rent.
These concerned people could help them out

 

[ThatRobGuy]

OK "relevant to an inquiry" where is the similar standard for ICE agents asking random daylaborers for "papers"?

They're actually quite comparable. Much like if there's an inquiry into my brother's financials (or even just someone deemed to be an "associate") derived from a random audit, the IRS can ask the bank for my info without probable cause under the claim that "it's relevant to an inquiry"...

If ICE has received tips that a facility is employing undocumented folks, or certain places have a track record of undocumented day laborers hanging around, or uncovered anomalies via random audits, their request is "relevant to an inquiry"

They're both tantamount to what's known in law enforcement as "a fishing expedition"

 

[BCP1928]

Why don't we just give California back to Mexico?

Who's "we?"

 

[BPPLEE]

Did it not occur to you a lot of these protesters have family members that have been targeted by ICE? These are people with jobs and families being picked up. Not loose animals on the streets.

Even still, this is happening to people from our community. Whether they’re here illegally or not, they’re being profiled. I’d have to be a pretty terrible person to see what I feel is injustice happening to people living around me and not care to raise my voice in protest. Especially when I fit all the criteria these ICE agents are looking for while profiling people on the street.

Good, how many have you taken in?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yeah but they live 20 of them in a 2 bedroom house or apartment and pay ridiculous rent.
These concerned people could help them out

We are.

There’s tons of community based services being shared right now to help the people being targeted by ICE. There’s people going out to buy groceries for them, picking up their kids from school or giving parents and grandparents a ride to a doctor’s appointment. There’s people patrolling their neighborhoods keeping an eye out for ICE to alert locals of an impending raid and documenting with their phones whenever there is a detention for legal protections. People are donating money. People are going around buying out the street vendors products so they can go home for the day and not be out in the streets where they can be picked up by ICE. Just like with the fires earlier this year, people aren’t waiting for the government to come do something. The community is coming together to meet people’s needs. It’s actually been a beautiful thing to see.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Good, how many have you taken in?

Are you under the impression these are all needy homeless people? Unlike the lazy Americans you see sleeping on the streets and begging for money, these people provide for their families and take care of themselves with their jobs they’re being ripped away from.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They're actually quite comparable. Much like if there's an inquiry into my brother's financials (or even just someone deemed to be an "associate") derived from a random audit, the IRS can ask the bank for my info without probable cause under the claim that "it's relevant to an inquiry"...

If ICE has received tips that a facility is employing undocumented folks, or certain places have a track record of undocumented day laborers hanging around, or uncovered anomalies via random audits, their request is "relevant to an inquiry"

Just a random tip and some foreign looking doods and that's good enough for the law? For you?

They're both tantamount to what's known in law enforcement as "a fishing expedition"

That's the point. Not the way to build a free society.

 

[Aldebaran]

We are.

There’s tons of community based services being shared right now to help the people being targeted by ICE. There’s people going out to buy groceries for them, picking up their kids from school or giving parents and grandparents a ride to a doctor’s appointment. There’s people patrolling their neighborhoods keeping an eye out for ICE to alert locals of an impending raid and documenting with their phones whenever there is a detention for legal protections. People are donating money. People are going around buying out the street vendors products so they can go home for the day and not be out in the streets where they can be picked up by ICE. Just like with the fires earlier this year, people aren’t waiting for the government to come do something. The community is coming together to meet people’s needs. It’s actually been a beautiful thing to see.

It's also called aiding and abetting known criminals that are in hiding because they know law enforcement is looking for them. They are in this country illegally, and they know it. So instead of these "community based services" you refer to doing the things you mentioned, how about them providing transportation back to their home country? There's no place like home.

 

[Postvieww]

What? That LA was a Mexican city before the Americans took it by force?

Still insane. Do you actually propose we give it back?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It's also called aiding and abetting known criminals that are in hiding because they know law enforcement is looking for them. They are in this country illegally, and they know it. So instead of these "community based services" you refer to doing the things you mentioned, how about them providing transportation back to their home country? There's no place like home.

This is their home.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Still insane. Do you actually propose we give it back?

No need. LA is already an Hispanic stronghold. No amount of state sanctioned repression or terror campaigns from the federal government is going to change that.

 

[Aldebaran]

This is their home.

Are we both referring to those who snuck over the border with the help of coyotes or human traffickers, or who stayed here even after their visa allowing them to be here expired?

 

[Aldebaran]

No need. LA is already an Hispanic stronghold. No amount of state sanctioned repression or terror campaigns from the federal government is going to change that.

Sounds like the Great Replacement "Conspiracy Theory" isn't so theoretical after all.

As per A.I.'s definition of the term: "The Great Replacement Theory is a racist and anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that claims there's a deliberate plot to replace white populations in Western countries with non-white people, primarily through immigration."

Replacing whites with Hispanics doesn't make it any better.