Where does Saint Paul say the submission is mutual? He says wives submit to your husbands. This is headship and he nowhere implies men are to submit to their wives. Granted he doesn't say for husbands to abuse this privledge but you're attempting to read egalitarianism into a text where there is simply none. Christ is the head of man and man is the head of woman. This is hierarchal and something you suggested earlier which is wrong. You clearly think Saint Paul was wrong.
I already said I think the way it is sometimes interpreted is wrong, not necessarily that Paul was wrong.
I am merely challenging your notion that there are things we can learn from modern relationships. You want to say we can learn egalitarianism from secular Atheists and abandon traditional Christian notions of marriage. This is entirely relevant.
No, you are asking about my marriage, again, how I submit to my husband, again. And in this thread, as in alllllllll the other threads you’ve brought it up before, I really struggle to understand:
1. Why you are so fixated on my relationship and the idea of getting me to submit
2. Why you think you deserve to have the details about my dynamic with my husband
3. What on earth it has to do with the topic of the thread
This idea that I said we should abandon traditional Christian notions of marriage is entirely yours, not mine. I never said that. In fact, I very clearly said the
opposite. You have invented an entire argument, projected it onto me, then have insisted on telling me I am wrong for an argument you created and I don’t subscribe to.
You’re out here fighting with ghosts, my guy.
Well no, you don't submit like the bible asks. You submit according to your own egalitarian and modern feminist notions of equality. The bible does not teach this.
Which brings me to why I said “Do I submit like I think the Bible asks? Yes. Do I submit like you think the Bible demands? No.”
And, in case it wasn’t entirely clear before, I am more concerned with following the Bible as it relates to God, not the Bible as interpreted by you.
Not getting your stamp of approval? Gotta tell you, it’s not going to keep me awake tonight.
My view is the historic view. You are representing the modern progressive view which you say we ought embrace over practices 2000 years old.
I did not say that.
Most people historically have not interpreted these verses differently. Only in modernity have been tried to force egalitarianism on to Saint Paul. (staff edit)
I am entirely clear that is what you wish to believe, fervently, passionately, and with your whole chest.
And judging by how often you have railed on me for this, you’re clear that I do not believe yours is the universal standard interpretation of that passage, not am I ever likely to believe that it is. Just a gander on this thread will show you several other people disagree with your interpretation.
So. Be like Elsa. Let it go.
