I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."


Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

I have no issues with any scripture, just so you know.

No, it starts with John being in the spirit on the Lord's Day. That is future,

With regards to Rev. 5:13, yes, future. Totally in line with every knee bending, every tongue confessing Jesus Is Lord

sadly everyone is not saved as the verses above state.

Never said "all" are saved. The specific exemption is the devil and his messengers. What your positions do not account for is that people and the spirit of disobedience, the devils, are overlapped in this present life. So things are not as they appear on the surface.

He's just giving them

You will continue to struggle with the concept of devils and people walking in the same pair of shoes, even though Jesus shows this fact on every page of the Gospels. Your position only sees a person

what they want. If they want to follow Satan and many will, it's their choice. If they don't want to spend an eternity with him he's just going to blot them out as Christ teaches.

You can make light of Christ's letters to the churches on repentance but I take his revelations/teachings very seriously.

I'm not discounting any scripture.

We should be able to figure out that loving our neighbors as ourselves is not a scriptural problem. We are not required to sentence any person in our own mind and heart to an endless torture in the LoF. That's simply not loving them whatsoever. It just places darkness of Satan in our own hearts

 

[JulieB67]

Totally in line with every knee bending, every tongue confessing Jesus Is Lord

They will have no choice at that point. They will know who he is. And many will have just worshipped the false one and will be quite shocked when the real Christ returns. It doesn't mean they'll stay that way. As I've stated, I've read the back of the book.

I'm not discounting any scripture.

But you omit much of it out to form your own doctrine.

We are not required to sentence any person in our own mind and heart to an endless torture in the LoF.

I've not done that. I've just pointed out scripture. Again, I don't believe in ECT but I do believe Christ's teachings on the Second Death. And our Father thankfully is the judge, not me.

 

[bling]

How anyone can say God striking someone blind, speaking through them and then setting up angelic directions had "freewill" in any of it. I'd suggest it was more akin to striking the old man Saul dead and raising up a born again 2nd man. Freewill didn't play a spittle's worth in the events or anything else in Paul's life.

God is not "in need" of our freewill or its extremely flawed output in order to save anyone.

So, God will go against our will to refuse His help and like with a shotgun wedding force us to accept His Love?
The Pharisees, who really knew the scripture and in their hearts could easily realize Christ was the suffering Messiah refused to confess. They had no doubt that John the Baptist was from God, but would not admit it.

Saul still had to humbly accept. You (and no one else) can compare your hurdle you have to overcome to humble accept God’s charity and Saul’s hurdle.

God Is Love.

Acts 17
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

God put us all in the dark and made us grope. He also bound all to disobedience, Romans 11:32. He also gives people their delusions, Isa. 66:4

Short version. All things serve The Maker of all things

Do all things, including this messed up world, not also serve willing individuals in their fulfilling their earthly objective.

IF you were familiar with Biblical language you'd know the mountain Jesus spoke of was himself and the sea for that mountain to be tossed into is MANKIND. THAT is in fact my prayer.

It's going to be a really big splash, just so you know

We can agree that it is not a literal mountain being talked about. I was addressing your statement: “Guess I'm still waiting for the showering with undeserved gifts”. What “additional” gifts are you waiting for in this life since the promised gift of eternal life in heaven is the only thing you do not already have, but have been assuredly promised?

 

[Jeff Saunders]

He won't.
It is written..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:8-10)
Sinners are not God's children.
They are the children of the devil !

Jer 32:27 " I am Yahweh, God of all flesh, Is anything too difficult for me?
Num 27:16 the God of the spirits of all flesh.
Satan has no children, he can't create anything, he can only take what God has created and twist and distort it.
If you think that satan has children because of taking this verse litteral, then all are children of the devil because every person will commit sins until this body of mortality is dead.
1 John 8-10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
This is why if you do not understand the whole story, the telos of Gods plan, you can make the Bible say almost anything by picking out verses,
Which is it , if you commit sins you are of the devil or if you day you have no sin the truth is not in you ?

 

[Benaiah468]

I find that doctrine heretical.
"Do anything you want, and end up in heaven, forever" !
That is a lie from the devil.

The idea of heaven and hell is a late blossoming of human imagination. Adam was not threatened with hell, and heaven is not the solution. The Bible describes all this in a very sober manner. Adam is confronted with mortality and thus death. The solution to death is life, not heaven.

The Bible deals primarily with death and the inadequacy of man (also called sin or falling short of the mark). The solution to these two things is an important theme: Death is compensated for by overflowing life (resurrection leads there). Missing the mark is replaced by finding the mark, or G-d's justice more than compensates for human injustice.

Note that heaven and hell play no role in this. However, when biblical words are replaced by others and the story of the Bible is replaced by alternative ideas, this inevitably leads to a distorted view. Distorting the subject matter inevitably leads to false assumptions.

If one asks what the Bible is about, one could say that the Bible is based on human experience. This is not pious, but sober. This human experience forms the background for the worldview, image of G-d, and image of humanity that now develops in the Bible as a continuous story.

Human mortality, human inadequacy, and other such issues are real challenges. The solution described in the Bible is not a religious endeavor, but rather an introduction to a living G-d who, through His works and His purpose, frees our lives for Himself. This solution is called salvation.

 

[Benaiah468]

G-d's vision for this world is stunning.

The doctrine of heaven and hell, or the doctrine of the destruction of all "unbelievers," is a dark legacy of Christian theology. There is good news that has been overshadowed by a message of doom for far too long.

Surprisingly, not only is hell not mentioned in the Bible, but universal reconciliation is directly taught (Col 1:20), and there are other clear texts on the subject.

This is surprising because many people have never read these texts, yet they are part of the Bible and were therefore important to the writers at the time. They are rarely or never quoted in religious communities where hell is taught.

This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living G-d, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. These things command and teach. 1 Tim 4:9-11

The traditional concept of hell casts shame on the G-d of the Bible, distorts the good news of grace with threats of hell, confuses believers, and is a laughing stock for unbelievers. Nevertheless, many people feel they must believe in it, otherwise they are not "true Christians." To me, this seems a bit strange, because as a Christian who bases their confidence and outlook on the Bible, one should be glad that such things are not mentioned in the Bible at all. So there is a discrepancy between what is described in the Bible and what many people believe.

There is a tension that could not be more painful. The proclaimed love of G-d is diametrically opposed to the doctrine of heaven and hell. The image of G-d in the doctrine of heaven and hell is radically different from the image of G-d in the doctrine of universal reconciliation, according to which G-d reaches His goal with all people.

So does the doctrine of hell, i.e., "eternal damnation," apply, or does the Bible speak of a comprehensive positive outcome, a "universal reconciliation"?

 

[Benaiah468]

In some places, there is a blanket rejection and undifferentiated rejection of universal reconciliation. This often happens out of ignorance. It also regularly happens out of fear of supposed "heresy," which leads to exclusion and ostracism. In other words, those who do not have a healthy understanding of biblical statements will come to a rejection based on false assumptions.

A blanket rejection of universal reconciliation is often made with one of the following arguments:

"If everyone is saved anyway, then I don't need to believe anymore."

Answer: The goal is for everyone to believe. And you can already stand in that today. The Bible says that G-d is the “Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe" (1 Tim 4:10). That is your privilege today. So rejoice and live in gratitude. Do not despise the grace of G-d.

"If everyone is saved anyway, why should I believe at all?"

Answer: Faith seems to be a work, an achievement on your part. You seem to think you have earned salvation yourself and are not dependent on G-d's grace. This is called self-righteousness. With your question, you deny the relationship He seeks with you. But G-d decided long ago in Christ to save you. He wants you to truly recognize His grace (Col 1:6).

"If everyone is going to be saved anyway, why bother with missions?"

Answer: Do you go out into the world only to save people from hell? Where does the Bible say that? Paul gives a completely different reason for sharing the good news: ‘For the love of Christ constraineth us...’ (2 Cor 5:14–21). The Bible can recalibrate our thinking and align it with His grace. Then our hearts overflow. That is my wish for you.

"If everyone is saved anyway, then it doesn't matter what I do."

Answer: That is a truly twisted understanding of reality. But it is not new, because Paul already had to deal with it. He summarily subjects this misinterpretation to G-d's judgment (Rom 3:8). What we do does matter. Rather, it is G-d's grace that educates us (Titus 2:11-12), otherwise we deny it.

"If everyone is saved anyway, then there is no need for Jesus Christ!"

Answer: Here, universal reconciliation is confused with universalism. Paul writes that G-d, making peace through the blood of the cross, reconciles all things to himself (Col 1:20). I know of no doctrine that has Christ at its center as much as universal reconciliation.

Motives, arguments, and general beliefs become apparent here.

 

[Jipsah]

Sinners are not God's children.
They are the children of the devil !

So most of the people who've ever lived will are Children of the Devil. Not really human, then, are they? Ergo it's good for God to send them off to the Eternal Torture Chamber that He constructed for that sole purpose.

Still kinda troubles me that God bothered to create children for the devil in the first place. I mean, it's not like He didn't know that's what they were. He's God, after all, and and thus omniscient, so their fate is hardly a surprise to Him.

I think that's likely to simply be more Damnationist cant intended to make their view of God seem less horrific. Y'all have a tough row to hoe with that, no question about it. 'For God so loved the world that most of the people He's created are/will be Children of the Devil and tortured forever.' As the politicians might say, "not good optics".

 

[Jipsah]

They will have no choice at that point. They will know who he is.

Which would seem to be enough be enough to npire mass conversions. But I reckon it's Just Too Late then, innit? They've missed the deadline.

And many will have just worshipped the false one

Knowingly? I doubt it. Rgar;s yet another Damnationist straw man.

and will be quite shocked when the real Christ returns.

Except for the countless millions who are dead by the time our Lord returns (or already are).

It doesn't mean they'll stay that way. As I've stated, I've read the back of the book.

Speaking of which, what do you think about those 250,000,000 troops riding lion-headed snake-failed fire-creathing mounts? The "explanations" of who those blokes seem to have changed a lot in my lifetime, and I'm curious to know what the current wisdom is on that.

But you omit much of it out to form your own doctrine.

Here's one that Damnationists seem to have a lot of trouble with. "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life". Doesn't one have to have eternal life in order to be tortured forever? Isn't much of a gift for those folks then , is it? And of course, in Damnationist thought, no one ever really dies at all, right?

I've not done that. I've just pointed out scripture. Again, I don't believe in ECT but I do believe Christ's teachings on the Second Death. And our Father thankfully is the judge, not me.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

So, God will go against our will to refuse His help and like with a shotgun wedding force us to accept His Love?

Who said a resisting to God will is that of the person anyway? We know that people are stolen from by Satan, Mark 4;15, blinded in mind by the god of this world so they can't believe, 2 Cor. 4:4, under the influences of the spirit of disobedience, Eph. 2:2, even their sin including the sin of unbelief is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

Removed from the above forced blindness in part in this life or in full in the next will allow us to see more clearly or even perfectly at some point

What “additional” gifts are you waiting for in this life

I was referring to your previous statement about being showered with gifts

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

They will have no choice at that point. They will know who he is. And many will have just worshipped the false one and will be quite shocked when the real Christ returns. It doesn't mean they'll stay that way. As I've stated, I've read the back of the book.

Your system of understanding has no accounting for the status of unbelievers. Even we see only in part.

Unbelievers have God's Words stolen from them by Satan, Mark 4:15. Their minds are blinded to the Gospel by the god of this world, 2 Cor. 4:4. They are under the influences of the spirit of disobedience, the prince of the power of the air, Eph. 2:2. Even their sin of unbelief is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

Some have even been purposefully blinded by God placing the spirit of slumber upon them, Romans 11:8

Yet most believers completely ignore these enemies working against people, most of they captives not even knowing it or being aware of it. And they too simply and blindly count their God Imposed blindness against the captives, ignorant of the captors of all mankind

Apparently their version of God just can't seem to get the job done for anyone but a paltry few

 

[Hoping2]

There are people. People are not devils. The DEVILS do not and can not love our neighbors. That should be a bell ringer for most.

There are people. People are not Gods. The children of the devil do not and cannot love their neighbors.

However that does not stop all people from loving because all people are in fact God's children.

Jesus said otherwise: in John 8:34, He said..."Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
He also said: in Matt 6:24..."No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other."
The servants of sin hate God.
Haters of God cannot really love.

IF you think people are devils, that is a heretical belief. Devils are not "converted" into God's children nor did God have devil children. Satan is not Jesus' brother

I don't think any of that.

The spirit of disobedience, the devil(s) have a habitation in the flesh of everyone. Primarily in the forms of evil lawless and temptation thoughts that defile all people. All have sin, Romans 3:9.

Aren't you glad we can destroy that old man and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life ?
New creatures have none of the propensities of the devil's children.

Sin is, as you cited, "of the devil." Sins are NOT COUNTED against people. 2 Cor. 5:19. Why not? Because all people are God's children. But that is not all that is contained in the flesh. There are other agents therein that are not people.

Again...Aren't you glad we can destroy that old man and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life ? (Rom 6:6, 4)
New creatures have none of the propensities of the devil's children. (2 Cor 5:17)
That is why Jesus said..."Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)
The devil's children will not enter into eternal life.
Paul wrote..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

A person in scripture is not an individual.

That makes no sense.

A person is a child of God and withiin that person's flesh is the spirit of disobedience, the tempter.

You mistakenly attribute the characteristics of the devil's unregenerated children to the reborn children of God.

Knowing this, we can know that every Word of God applies to everyone, good and bad, blessing and cursing. Just as Jesus stated: Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Why does the doctrine you espouse have no cursings ?

 

[Hoping2]

Jer 32:27 " I am Yahweh, God of all flesh, Is anything too difficult for me?
Num 27:16 the God of the spirits of all flesh.

Yep...life comes from God.

Satan has no children,

1 John 3:8-10 says otherwise.
It is written..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, "

he can't create anything, he can only take what God has created and twist and distort it.

Your doctrine rewards such twisting, by allowing even the worst to inherit eternal life.
Why resist any temptation at all, if it won't matter on the day of judgement ?

If you think that satan has children because of taking this verse litteral, then all are children of the devil because every person will commit sins until this body of mortality is dead.

Thank God for providing the means of that "wages of sin" by baptism into Jesus, and into His death, burial, and resurrection ! (Rom 6:3-7)

1 John 8-10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
This is why if you do not understand the whole story, the telos of Gods plan, you can make the Bible say almost anything by picking out verses,
Which is it , if you commit sins you are of the devil or if you day you have no sin the truth is not in you ?

1 John 1:6, 8, and10, all address those walking in darkness.
Look at 1 John 1:5, 7, and 9, for the verses that apply to those walking in the light (which is God in whom is no sin)

If as your doctrine says; sin won't keep anyone from heaven; not having the truth in us really won't matter on the day of judgement.
There would be no point in attempting to love and serve God...or neighbor...if it just didn't matter.
Which leave man in a survivor of the fittest condition: just like stray dogs.

 

[Hoping2]

The idea of heaven and hell is a late blossoming of human imagination. Adam was not threatened with hell, and heaven is not the solution. The Bible describes all this in a very sober manner. Adam is confronted with mortality and thus death. The solution to death is life, not heaven.

The Bible deals primarily with death and the inadequacy of man (also called sin or falling short of the mark). The solution to these two things is an important theme: Death is compensated for by overflowing life (resurrection leads there). Missing the mark is replaced by finding the mark, or G-d's justice more than compensates for human injustice.

Note that heaven and hell play no role in this. However, when biblical words are replaced by others and the story of the Bible is replaced by alternative ideas, this inevitably leads to a distorted view. Distorting the subject matter inevitably leads to false assumptions.

If one asks what the Bible is about, one could say that the Bible is based on human experience. This is not pious, but sober. This human experience forms the background for the worldview, image of G-d, and image of humanity that now develops in the Bible as a continuous story.

Human mortality, human inadequacy, and other such issues are real challenges. The solution described in the Bible is not a religious endeavor, but rather an introduction to a living G-d who, through His works and His purpose, frees our lives for Himself. This solution is called salvation.

I disagree.

 

[Jipsah]

So, God will go against our will to refuse His help and like with a shotgun wedding force us to accept His Love?

Yep. Remember Lot's Wife agreeing about the pillar of salt thang? Neither does she. And you reckon JOnah was onboard with the "swallowed-by-a-fish"scenario? I don't recall anyone asking him to sign off on it.

So Heavens no! God Can't Possibly Violate Our Divine Free Will".
Says no Scripture, anywhere. The "free will" canard is just that. God's will obtains, Man's Will is conditional..

The Pharisees, who really knew the scripture and in their hearts could easily realize Christ was the suffering Messiah refused to confess.hero,

Nah, He wasn't at all what they'd anticipated. They were looking for a conquering hero, not an itinerant preacher. They knew not what they did, remember?

They had no doubt that John the Baptist was from God, but would not admit it.

Saith perfect hindsight.

Saul still had to humbly accept.

Getting stricken blind and knocked down in the road will seriously affect one's Free Will", don't you reckon? Oh, no coercion there, oh no no no!

You (and no one else) can compare your hurdle you have to overcome to humble accept God’s charity and Saul’s hurdle.ean

Yeah, I mean Saul didn't hold out for as long as Jonah did.

since the promised gift of eternal life in heaven

Or eternal life in hell according to your lot.

 

[Jipsah]

Yep...life comes from God.

1 John 3:8-10 says otherwise.
It is written..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Doesn't that include roughly... everybody? With on notable exceptions, of course

Your doctrine rewards such twisting, by allowing even the worst to inherit eternal life.

What's the cut-off there? How many sins does one have to commit to become unsalvageable?

Why resist any temptation at all, if it won't matter on the day of judgement ?

Or if one niggling sin send you to eternal life in perdition? Or do the venial sins not count?

Thank God for providing the means of that "wages of sin"

Which according to y'all is eternal life, either in either Heaven or hell. Speaking of twisting...

 

[Hoping2]

So most of the people who've ever lived will are Children of the Devil. .

That seems to be the case.
The seed will bring forth after itself.
Liars, thieves, murders, adulterers, etc. are bringing forth whose fruit ?

Not really human, then, are they? Ergo it's good for God to send them off to the Eternal Torture Chamber that He constructed for that sole purpose.

They are indeed human, and because they chose to serve sin, instead of God, will get what they have been warned about for centuries.

Still kinda troubles me that God bothered to create children for the devil in the first place. I mean, it's not like He didn't know that's what they were. He's God, after all, and and thus omniscient, so their fate is hardly a surprise to Him.

God didn't give life to man for the devil's use.
Man chooses whom he will serve.

I think that's likely to simply be more Damnationist cant intended to make their view of God seem less horrific. Y'all have a tough row to hoe with that, no question about it. 'For God so loved the world that most of the people He's created are/will be Children of the Devil and tortured forever.' As the politicians might say, "not good optics".

Do you see any reason for Jesus to live, suffer, and die ?

 

[CoreyD]

I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off forever

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

1 Corinthians 15:22-28
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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Are you misunderstanding?
You can always ask what John 3:16, 36 tells us about those who believe and those who don't, and go from there.
What answer do those verses give you?

 

[CoreyD]

The verses you posted shouldn’t be read out of context.

~bella

Exactly what I thought, when I saw all the scriptures in the OP.

 

[Hoping2]

Doesn't that include roughly... everybody? With on notable exceptions, of course

Almost everybody.
That is why Jesus died for all, so that through Him all could be made alive again.

What's the cut-off there? How many sins does one have to commit to become unsalvageable?

One.
That is all Adam and Eve committed.
And Moses too !
Unsalvageable though...no.
Through Jesus Christ, we can all be reborn of God's seed: and God's seed does not bring forth liars, thieves, or murderers.

Or if one niggling sin send you to eternal life in perdition? Or do the venial sins not count?

Sin is sin.
All sins are "unto death", if they are not repented of...permanently.

Which according to y'all is eternal life, either in either Heaven or hell.

Yes.
Man has a choice to make.
"Whom do I serve" ?
It is written..."Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ." (Col 3:24)