I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Out of context.
It's as if you haven't read the entire bible

Why would you think reading the entire Bible, which I've done countless times, cover to cover, eliminates a single Word of it? Context eliminates nothing. 2 Cor. 5:19 is not eliminated by context, period. Nor is any other scripture eliminated by context.

Sins are always counted against the people.

Ah, but that's not what Paul presented now is it? Your claim is in fact directly opposite of Paul's fact, that sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19

Satan and his are not in the book of life and are set for the LOF regardless.

I definitely believe that is going to happen ^^^ And they are not getting out of it, ever

II Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the world of reconciliation."

Reconciliation mean's we receive that atonement and if one is walking in Christ naturally they receive that atonement.

God in Christ is the One not counting. Whether you "activated" it or accepted what God does is quite entirely irrelevant, particularly when you turn it upside down and make yourself the activator and even worse, claiming God IS counting against everyone else that doesn't believe "like you." That's just weird, upside down and the exact opposite of what it actually says. God in Christ was not counting long before either one of us showed up.

If anyone is walking in darkness the truth is not even in them so of course they are not reconciled.

No one walks in total and complete light at all times. We are not one bit different than any other common sinner. Romans 3:9.

Maybe you could be more generous in your sights of others and less self justifying of yourself?

John certainly gives us ample space to be generous to our neighbors on this matter:

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Why would God be against everyone or anyone who LOVES? That just doesn't seem right, does it? I think it is easily seen that every person has loved in some way at some time. Even if it's only loving themselves.

I expect God will be A LOT more generous than me on this count. And practicing self justifications is really going headlong down the wrong path, don't you think? For us to even be disciples we must actually HATE our own lives. Luke 14:26

And you should certainly remember the Pharisee who thought he was not like other men in Luke 18, but the publican who truthfully claimed he is a sinner in need of God's Mercy went to his home, justified?

These are all basic and easy lessons

If we can't come away in our faith by actually loving our neighbors I'd suggest we missed the whole point of faith altogether.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

First off: I am not suggesting in any way God has any needs which we can fulfill.

Great! Then we'd agree. Many "freewillers" think their good decisions are going to force God to save them and that God needs them to make Him valid, which I think is totally ridiculous. Almost like "self worship." Like God is no good unless THEY decide He is. Ridiculous.

but forgiveness is not a one-sided transaction, since we have to accept His charity as pure undeserved charity to complete the transaction.

Such sights present God as nothing more than a common business deal. As if God just can't manage to get the deal done without us taking the lead for ourselves.

I doubt very much Saul on the Road to Damascus had to activate God in order to be struck blind by His Light.

And any of us likewise blinded would probably sit up and take instant notice, just as he did. I mean who couldn't at that point?

God has plans to make Saul to Paul, just as God had plans to blind Israel via the spirit of slumber so they could not believe. It's all God's doing, cover to cover, one way or the other.

Our "choice" is not in righteously, honorably, worthily, holy, and unselfishly joining God, but in our just wimping out, giving up and surrendering to our enemy while we still see Him as our hated enemy, then and only then will we be showered with undeserving gifts.

I honestly don't know where you're trying to go with the above. Guess I'm still waiting for the showering with undeserved gifts

 

[JulieB67]

No one walks in total and complete light at all times

I never stated one does. We all fall short and often. But upon repentance we can get back on the path that you deem impossible for some reason. One should always strive to walk in the spirit instead of the flesh. Will we fall short of that mark in the flesh? Yes but it's not a license to sin. We are told often that repentance matters. Someone that has truly repented will always look to get back in the light. They would not point to the devil and go on with their past lives showing no change at all.

 

[Hoping2]

If you believe that, you do not understand Christian Universal Redemption, the doctrine that promotes the most sin is eternal hell. In Christian Universal Redemption sin is destroyed never to come back again, Jesus permanently removes it. In eternal torture sin goes on for all eternity, God has to maintain all people for all eternity burning forever and has to listen to the screams and pain. That is one of the reasons i do not believe in eternal torture, it doesn't deal with sin it just sticks it in the corner and pretends its ok.

If your doctrine were true, Jesus suffered and died for nothing.
And, He rose from the dead for no reason at all.

God's promised judgement for sin, is not a sin.

It is written..."For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
Your doctrine excludes God's love, His Son's obedient sacrifice, and our belief.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I never stated one does. We all fall short and often.

Yes, that much should be obvious to anyone. Even unbelievers can pinpoint the ripe hypocrisy in the church members

But upon repentance we can get back on the path that you deem impossible for some reason.

I don't believe we can "make ourselves sinless." Maybe more important to simply be truthful/honest about being a sinner?

One should always strive to walk in the spirit instead of the flesh. Will we fall short

Again, thanks for the obvious. It's just as much the notions that various exercises put us back in to a sinless state that is the problem because the fact is, we simply remain sinners, acting on it externally or not.

Jesus quite clearly told us all that evil does come from within in the form of lawless evil thoughts that defile us. Mark 7:21-23. This was not an "optional" statement by Jesus. It's just a fact of our construct. Heb. 10:22 also tells us we have an evil conscience. Heb. 5:14 shows us we have our senses exercised by discerning both good and evil. James tells us we can have devilish wisdom in James 3:15

So, yes, the nail is really in the coffin on the subject of all people other than Jesus being a sinner. There are no other sinless people.

of that mark in the flesh? Yes but it's not a license to sin. We are told often that repentance matters. Someone that has truly repented will always look to get back in the light. They would not point to the devil and go on with their past lives showing no change at all.

Once we see we are a slave we are repelled and repulsed by it. It is thinking we can make ourselves immune from the engagements that we are deceived, by our enemy no less.

Anyway, with regards to loving our neighbors as ourselves I'd suggest a couple easy observations:

God commanded it. It would seem He will do NO LESS, but even more.

And it is not a crime to do so. I can not in "good faith" claim to love my neighbors and simultaneously stand on a sentence to the LoF to them. That is just hypocrisy, and imho, illegal and of the devil who pawned me into thinking that is so.

I do believe the devil and his messengers will be sent permanently to the LoF. I do not believe there will be a single named person therein, as there is not a single named person in the entire Bible given as evidence of such a forthcoming fate. Nor is there even one single named person even threatened with such a fate.

Loving our neighbors is the safest bet in the long term. Knowing that everyone deals also with the devil, I have an agency to look to that is NOT THEM or myself when I need to deploy "good judgment" of bad acting, bad speaking or even bad thoughts

 

[JulieB67]

I don't believe we can "make ourselves sinless."

Who has ever stated that? Certainly not me. You keep missing the point.

Maybe more important to simply be truthful/honest about being a sinner?

Again, who stated anyone was sinless. My post pointed to the fact that we all fall short and often fall short. Not sure why you keep missing that.

It's just as much the notions that various exercises put us back in to a sinless state that is the problem because the fact is, we simply remain sinners, acting on it externally or not.

Thankfully God is the heart knower. He knows who's truly repented or not. He knows who's sincere in their walk or not.

Jesus quite clearly told us all

Christ also taught repentance and the fact that those who don't overcome are in danger of having their names blotted out of the book of life.

There are no other sinless people.

Wow, again, who said there was? But the point is once true repentance has set in a person at least has that change of heart and mind, a new way of thinking. That person "wants" to try and walk in the spirit. Will anyone be truly sinless in the flesh? Of course not. But they are thinking differently. That's what repentance is. Something you seem to constantly ignore.

Nor is there even one single named person even threatened with such a fate.

Names don't have to be listed. It states whosoever was not found written in the book of life.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I'll take Christ's own teaching and Revelation.

And question, if you believe only Satan and his are cast in why verse 20:15? Satan and his angels were judged long ago and so verse 15 is not about him or his angels.

And why isn't everyone in the book of life if you believe everyone is saved besides them? We know the ones that worshipped Satan were not written in there. If they do have life, why are their names not in there?

Loving our neighbors is the safest bet in the long term.

We can certainly love our neighbors all the while knowing there is a time when it's too late. We do what we can but you're not helping them with your doctrine regardless. I don't believe in ECT but I do believe in the Second Death. How can I not when Christ is my teacher on the subject.

 

[bling]

Great! Then we'd agree. Many "freewillers" think their good decisions are going to force God to save them and that God needs them to make Him valid, which I think is totally ridiculous. Almost like "self worship." Like God is no good unless THEY decide He is. Ridiculous.


Such sights present God as nothing more than a common business deal. As if God just can't manage to get the deal done without us taking the lead for ourselves.

I doubt very much Saul on the Road to Damascus had to activate God in order to be struck blind by His Light.

And any of us likewise blinded would probably sit up and take instant notice, just as he did. I mean who couldn't at that point?

God has plans to make Saul to Paul, just as God had plans to blind Israel via the spirit of slumber so they could not believe. It's all God's doing, cover to cover, one way or the other.

Saul had lots of reasons for believing he had heat stroke fell off his donkey, looked at the sun to long becoming blind and had a really bad dream. To accept Jesus truly as Lord is a huge hurdle for him, he had fought to the point od murdering people against Jesus. Is there any other person like a zealous follower of the truth up until Jesus, like Saul?

I say all that but also agree with the idea of God setting Saul up (avoiding getting to know Jesus earlier) to make for an extremely strong witness, but that does not mean Saul did not have a choice or make a free will choice, none of us are like religious zealot Saul to begin with, so we cannot expect a Damascus road experience.

Yes! God is humbling Himself to come down to us and have us make our own free will choice, but we are not “taking the lead”. God has/is/will do all He can to help willing individuals to humble accept His help, but God is not going to force His help, against our will, on us.

Do you want to be “Loved” in spite of what you have done, are doing and will do and do you desire to have such Love for others? For if you are unwilling to accept charity and be charitable, God will not force His Love on you.

I honestly don't know where you're trying to go with the above. Guess I'm still waiting for the showering with undeserved gifts

As a Christ like person (a Christian), what “mountain” would you like to move, which you cannot move?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Where in the Revelation of Jesus The Christ do you find Satan being tossed in the LOF for 1000 years?

”And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.“
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭7‬-‭10‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Revelation 20:7-10 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for batt | English Standard Version Rev

And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for batt

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Satan is released from prison after the 1000 year millennium. He is allowed to come out of the pit to resume his role as deceiver. After the great battle, he is thrown in to the LOF where the beast and false prophet already were thrown. There is no specific time frame given for the exact duration. The duration of their time in the LOF is stated to be forever and ever. Properly translated as follows:
”they shall be tormented day and night — to the ages of the ages.“ Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭10‬ ‭YLT98‬‬. God determines the length of the age/ages one’s stay will be in the LOF. For ever and ever makes no sense .. Forever is, well, forever. How do you add to forever? Kinda like giving 110 percent is illogical. If 100% is your all where is the additional 10% come from? God determines the length of the age/ages one’s stay will be in the LOF.
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Here are a couple questions for you since your focus appears to be on the LOF.

1). We are told in the above passage fire comes down from heaven and “consumes” all those gathered against the saints. In this text sulfur is added to the LOF. Sulfur is unquestionably a product used for purification in ancient times and even today. If the fire from heaven is sufficient to “consume“ why is sulfur part of the equation in the LOF if not for purification? We are not specifically told but it is a worthy hypothesis for consideration … no?

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty ( but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’“
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Revelation 2:8-11 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty ( but you are rich) and the slander of thos | English Standard Version Revi

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty ( but you are rich) and the slander of thos

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2). Would you say those who were not faithful unto death; who thus are not given the crown of life, thereby not deemed to be conquerers and thus failed their testing … unbelievers? If you answer yes, your position on the LOF is consistent. If you deem them to be weak believers who failed in their testing, (post edit for personal translation error), your position on the LOF is unstable or at the least, should be up for re-examination. Also note, this passage states: “The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.“ Interesting the Spirit used the word “hurt” not killed.

Finally. We know we are not given every detail about every subject matter in Scripture, so the fact we are not told about Satan’s exit from the LOF is not shocking. Nothing in Scripture specifically states he gets out. Equally true. Nothing in Scripture states specifically that he does not. As one who believes in the complete restoration of all things I feel comfortable suggesting Satan is restored to his former state/position of being among the angels in heaven.

blessings,

Universalism cannot be supported from the scriptures though

 

[Jeff Saunders]

If your doctrine were true, Jesus suffered and died for nothing.
And, He rose from the dead for no reason at all.

God's promised judgement for sin, is not a sin.

It is written..."For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
Your doctrine excludes God's love, His Son's obedient sacrifice, and our belief.

if you believe that you really do not understand Christian Universal Redemption. The only reason that redemption is possible is because Jesus came into our humanity, lived a sunless life, and was crucified for showing the Jews that they misunderstood the scriptures and He was telling them their mistakes and was showing them who God was and what his character and nature was. Jesus entered our delusion to bring us all back to the Father. God will stop at nothing to save his beloved creation, even becoming sin itself and dying a brutal death so that, 2Cor 5:19 could be written “ in Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting people’s trespasses against them” I do not understand why that concept is so hard for religious people to get , it’s written plain as day , but it’s dismissed because it doesn’t fit with their idea of God, no different than the Jews in Jesus day. Our belief has nothing to do about it at all, it’s all about what God/Jesus did for us.

 

[bling]

if you believe that you really do not understand Christian Universal Redemption. The only reason that redemption is possible is because Jesus came into our humanity, lived a sunless life, and was crucified for showing the Jews that they misunderstood the scriptures and He was telling them their mistakes and was showing them who God was and what his character and nature was. Jesus entered our delusion to bring us all back to the Father. God will stop at nothing to save his beloved creation, even becoming sin itself and dying a brutal death so that, 2Cor 5:19 could be written “ in Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting people’s trespasses against them” I do not understand why that concept is so hard for religious people to get , it’s written plain as day , but it’s dismissed because it doesn’t fit with their idea of God, no different than the Jews in Jesus day. Our belief has nothing to do about it at all, it’s all about what God/Jesus did for us.

You use:

“2 Cor 5:21 Him who knew no sin he made [to be] sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.”

This is an extremely important verse to show imputing our sins to Christ, so the imputing of righteousness to man seems logical, BUT:

Is that even a good translation?

First off: we might need to look at 2 Cor. :21

What does “Christ made to be sin” or “Christ made sin” mean: did Christ become a sinner, did a being become an intangible thing like “sin” and are there other scripture to help us with this?

If you go to the NIV there is an alternative translation for at the bottom where “sin offering” is given as an alternative to “being made sin” and we all know Christ was a “sin offering”, so what support is there for that translation?

Paul being a scholar of the Torah, used a Hebraism. In this case, the Hebrew word for "sin" was also used to mean "sin offering" (see the Hebrew word: chatta'ath), and thus to be "made sin" was a Hebrew way of saying "made a sin offering". the NASB cross-references to Romans 8:3 which uses "sin offering" in a similar text as 2 Corinthians 5:21

There is the analogy in 2 Corinthians 8:9; the cross-reference to the clearer statement in Romans 8:3 that Christ was sent "in the likeness of sinful flesh" to deal with sin; and the allusion to Sacrifice in 2 Corinthians 5:21 where it says Christ "knew no sin" in corresponding to the sacrificial animal being free of blemish (otherwise Paul saying "knew no sin" would be irrelevant here).

The Greek word for "sin" that Paul uses is used in the Greek Old Testament both to mean "sin" and "sin offering," with both usages even in the same verse such as in Leviticus 4:3.

You can certainly do a deeper study of 2 Cor 5: 21 and we can go into Ro.3-4.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

The promised land was an OT "picture" of heaven.
Part of the patterns that are repeated in the NT.

That is an erroneous doctrine that accommodates more sinning.
Kill, steal, lie, and cheat; and go to heaven...a lie straight from satan.

Ok so tell me what did God mean when He said that he was reconciling the world to himself? I would recommend you understand reconciliation first before you give your response.

 

[Hoping2]

if you believe that you really do not understand Christian Universal Redemption.

Universal redemption is not a Christian doctrine.
Attila, Hitler, Mao, and a lot of other haters of God, will not be redeemed.
Neither will any adulterer, liar, thief, or any workers of the flesh listed in Gal 5..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

The only reason that redemption is possible is because Jesus came into our humanity, lived a sunless life, and was crucified for showing the Jews that they misunderstood the scriptures and He was telling them their mistakes and was showing them who God was and what his character and nature was. Jesus entered our delusion to bring us all back to the Father. God will stop at nothing to save his beloved creation, even becoming sin itself and dying a brutal death so that, 2Cor 5:19 could be written “ in Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting people’s trespasses against them”

God provided the way for us to live Godly lives, and it cost Him the life of His Son, Jesus Christ.
The one's whose sins will not be accounted against them, are those who have submitted to Him.
Without a repentance from sin, no man will see the kingdom of God.

I do not understand why that concept is so hard for religious people to get , it’s written plain as day , but it’s dismissed because it doesn’t fit with their idea of God, no different than the Jews in Jesus day. Our belief has nothing to do about it at all, it’s all about what God/Jesus did for us.

Do you understand the concept of "reap what you sow" ?

 

[Hoping2]

Ok so tell me what did God mean when He said that he was reconciling the world to himself? I would recommend you understand reconciliation first before you give your response.

God wanted all men to turn from sin and unto Him.
Without that "turn, (repentance from sin), there is no reconciliation.
Sinners are no reconciled, or the would be serving God.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Universalism cannot be supported from the scriptures though

It is not just supported by Scripture but rather proclaimed with authority throughout the entirety of the sacred text. You are just not yet ready to receive it. In His time …

blessings

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Saul had lots of reasons for believing he had heat stroke fell off his donkey, looked at the sun to long becoming blind and had a really bad dream. To accept Jesus truly as Lord is a huge hurdle for him, he had fought to the point od murdering people against Jesus. Is there any other person like a zealous follower of the truth up until Jesus, like Saul?

Are you trying to claim Jesus spoke as a heat stroke? LOL

I say all that but also agree with the idea of God setting Saul up (avoiding getting to know Jesus earlier) to make for an extremely strong witness, but that does not mean Saul did not have a choice or make a free will choice, none of us are like religious zealot Saul to begin with, so we cannot expect a Damascus road experience.

How anyone can say God striking someone blind, speaking through them and then setting up angelic directions had "freewill" in any of it. I'd suggest it was more akin to striking the old man Saul dead and raising up a born again 2nd man. Freewill didn't play a spittle's worth in the events or anything else in Paul's life.

God is not "in need" of our freewill or its extremely flawed output in order to save anyone.

God will not force His Love on you.

God Is Love.

Acts 17
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

God put us all in the dark and made us grope. He also bound all to disobedience, Romans 11:32. He also gives people their delusions, Isa. 66:4

Short version. All things serve The Maker of all things

As a Christ like person (a Christian), what “mountain” would you like to move, which you cannot move?

IF you were familiar with Biblical language you'd know the mountain Jesus spoke of was himself and the sea for that mountain to be tossed into is MANKIND. THAT is in fact my prayer.

It's going to be a really big splash, just so you know

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Christ also taught repentance and the fact that those who don't overcome are in danger of having their names blotted out of the book of life.

Sounds like such would merely be servants interested in saving their own sorry hides and doing a lot of Divine brown nosing on the road

Names don't have to be listed. It states whosoever was not found written in the book of life.

I'm completely satisfied with the devil and his messengers being sent to the LoF and God in Christ actually being the Savior of the world. How bout you? Or was it just a misrepresentation on his part?

And question, if you believe only Satan and his are cast in why verse 20:15? Satan and his angels were judged long ago and so verse 15 is not about him or his angels.

The beast and the false prophet go first (the spirits of devils)

Then Satan, 20:10

Then the rest of the demons, vs. 15

IF you start your adventure into Rev. you really should start at Rev. 5:13 and you'll see everyone was already saved, other than the specific exemptions, the devil and his messengers

We can certainly love our neighbors all the while knowing there is a time when it's too late

I believe the space John gave us in 1 John 4:7 is good for all people, that everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. We are also taught and it is widely accepted in orthodoxy that all people are God's children.

I don't think any sane Father would burn His own children alive forever or kill them. You?

 

[Hoping2]

I don't think any sane Father would burn His own children alive forever or kill them. You?

He won't.
It is written..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:8-10)
Sinners are not God's children.
They are the children of the devil !

 

[Jipsah]

Do you want to be “Loved” in spite of what you have done, are doing and will do and do you desire to have such Love for others? For if you are unwilling to accept charity and be charitable, God will not force His Love on you.

Once more, it'd "Poor God, There's Just Nothing He Can Do}." Rubbish.

As a Christ like person (a Christian), what “mountain” would you like to move, which you cannot move?

K2

 

[JulieB67]

Then the rest of the demons, vs. 15

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."


Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

you really should start at Rev. 5:13 and you'll see everyone was already saved, other than the specific exemptions, the devil and his messengers

No, it starts with John being in the spirit on the Lord's Day. That is future, not some day of the week as many traditions would tell you. John never called any day of the week the Lord's Day. We are given a hint that it's the Lord's Day by Christ's description. Especially with that symbolic two edged sword. But John is told to write about the past, present and future of that time period -the Lord's Day. And Revelation is not in chronological order until later on. And we've all read the back of the book and sadly everyone is not saved as the verses above state.

or kill them. You?

He's just giving them what they want. If they want to follow Satan and many will, it's their choice. If they don't want to spend an eternity with him he's just going to blot them out as Christ teaches.

You can make light of Christ's letters to the churches on repentance but I take his revelations/teachings very seriously.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

He won't.
It is written..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:8-10)
Sinners are not God's children.
They are the children of the devil !

There are people. People are not devils. The DEVILS do not and can not love our neighbors. That should be a bell ringer for most. However that does not stop all people from loving because all people are in fact God's children.

IF you think people are devils, that is a heretical belief. Devils are not "converted" into God's children nor did God have devil children. Satan is not Jesus' brother

The spirit of disobedience, the devil(s) have a habitation in the flesh of everyone. Primarily in the forms of evil lawless and temptation thoughts that defile all people. All have sin, Romans 3:9. Sin is, as you cited, "of the devil." Sins are NOT COUNTED against people. 2 Cor. 5:19. Why not? Because all people are God's children. But that is not all that is contained in the flesh. There are other agents therein that are not people.

A person in scripture is not an individual. A person is a child of God and withiin that person's flesh is the spirit of disobedience, the tempter.

Knowing this, we can know that every Word of God applies to everyone, good and bad, blessing and cursing. Just as Jesus stated: Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3