BREAKING: 'Targeted Terror Attack' Hits Boulder, Colorado, During Pro-Israel Gathering

[Lukaris]

Maybe we should shift those FBI resources back to working on domestic terrorism.

That's a very counterintuitive point of view, because every time a small-time domestic terrorist (with no known affiliations to organized groups) kills innocent Jewish people it puts another million nails into the coffins of the people in Gaza. How many nails in a coffin? Let's say 100? Well, there used to be 3.2 million people in Gaza, half of them children, half of the adults women, almost all of them totally innocent...so if there are 100 nails in a coffin then each million nails would build 10,000 coffins.

Are these terrorists so overcome with grief and heartbreak that they would lash out indiscriminately at uninvolved people, aware that their actions will make things much worse for the suffering people in Gaza? It is tragically illogical.

I guess every anti semitic psychopath has a partial excuse with Gaza. If our borders had been more secure and less internationalism, it is likely that Americans would not be attacked like this in their own nation.

 

[BCP1928]

But, in the interest of fairness...

If one argument is going to use a very recent lens to evaluation the situation, isn't it apropos that the counter-argument would do the same?

As I noted before, one faction tends to pretend that it was all lollipops and gum drops prior to 1948.

So people tend to discuss the very recent history and events.

Well, I am in none of those factions. But I am aware that some of those factions have more of an influence on our foreign policy than they should.

Even apart from dhimmi status stuff (and the backlash that occurred when it was removed)

People often also neglect to mention the name Amin al-Husseini.

He was the Palestinian leader (and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in the 1920's), who just so happened to collaborate with Hitler.

The Nazis actually bankrolled his broadcasting operation and paid him a salary that was as much as they were paying their Field Marshalls at the time. ...the same guy who said

"The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: 'There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!"

And, On 1 March 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: "Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you."

The whole region was a blood bath, throughout the inter-war years. The French and British were merrily carving up Ottoman territory to suit themselves, installing friendly governments and proping them up, by force if necessary, Betraying promises made to Arab nationalists for their help in the war.

So if one faction is going to base their evaluation on a "history of the conflict starts with this bad thing that happened in 1948" lens, why can't the other side base their evaluation on a "history of the conflict starts in 1921" lens?

Obviously both are shallow and myopic, but both factions in a debate should at least have to play by the same rules.

Play with the same history, anyway. But I am concerned mostly with our own foreign policy.

 

[Vambram]

Boulder Attack Shows It's Right To Revoke Visas For Anti-US Views

The attack in Boulder is not an anomaly -- it is a warning. And unless we heed it, there will be more such attacks.

thefederalist.com

 

[Ophiolite]

Here is what is often missed. The Israelis would love to live in peace.

You make some pertinent points in the rest of your post. I do wish to point out, as you were responding to me, that I did not mention the Israelis. I spoke specifically of the actions of the current Israeli government. That is a sub-set of a sub-set. I recognise that most of the Israelis probably want to live in peace. I suspect that most of the Palestinians want to live in peace.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Thou shall not MURDER...

it says "kill".

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Can’t help but think of the lives saved by a simple gun law preventing this nut from getting a hold of one.

Gun laws don't do a thing...if criminals want a gun they can get one very easily...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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it says "kill".

Seriously? Bad translation from the Hebrew is all.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

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it says "kill".

That is one thing about the ancient Hebrews after they left Egypt, their English was impeccable.

 

[JosephZ]

Gun laws don't do a thing... if criminals want a gun they can get one very easily...

A gun law prevented a mass shooting in Boulder. The terrorist wanted a gun, but he wasn't able to purchase one.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Because those ambulances were being used by Hamas to escape Gaza. Hamas hides in hospitals, schools, etc. They steal supplies that should go to the Gazans. They are cowards that hide behind children. Hamas are the terrorists and are harming their own people. It is a disgrace...

By April 2025 all HAmas terrorists had since long left Isreal, yet IDF still shoots ambulances:

Gaza ambulance 'crushed' by IDF as aid attacks increase

Sky News analysis shows the deaths of 15 humanitarian workers whose bodies and ambulances were buried in the sand are part of an increasing pattern.

news.sky.com

New video contradicts IDF version of killing of aid workers in Gaza - NYT

The video shows a convoy of ambulances and a fire truck, with headlights on, after the IDF said the vehicles were operating with headlights turned off.

www.jpost.com

European diplomats are Hamas terrosits too now?

IDF firing ‘warning shots’ near diplomats sets an unacceptable precedent in international relations

Intimidation of diplomats is unacceptable and threatens the basis of international relations.

theconversation.com

Outrage after Israeli army fires ‘warning shots’ at French and other diplomats on West Bank visit

The Israeli army on Wednesday fired shots at a delegation of regional, European and Western diplomats visiting the West Bank city of Jenin, sparking condemnations from the Palestinian Authority and several…

www.france24.com

Food distribution are target practices?

Gunmen shoot at Gazans getting food at aid center, footage released by Israel shows

“Hamas is doing everything in its power to prevent the successful distribution of food in Gaza,” the IDF said.

nypost.com

'This is an ambush': Dozens killed and injured in Gaza food bank shooting | The National

Red Cross reports 'mass casualty influx' of 179 people in Rafah - while Israeli army offers competing explanations

www.thenationalnews.com

 

[Perpetual Student]

That IS antisemitic...Zionism is the self-determination of the Jewish people

No, zionism is the return of Jews to Israel/ Palestina/ Zion.
Zionism has been controversial among some religious Jews from the start (the Neturei Karta being the most notorious, but completely crazy in my opinion).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

A gun law prevented a mass shooting in Boulder. The terrorist wanted a gun, but he wasn't able to purchase one.

In some cases I am sure it might work but in most it won't

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

By April 2025 all HAmas terrorists had since long left Isreal, yet IDF still shoots ambulances:

Gee who is shooting back at the IDF then lol??? BTW, most of your sources are liberal rags...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, zionism is the return of Jews to Israel/ Palestina/ Zion.
Zionism has been controversial among some religious Jews from the start (the Neturei Karta being the most notorious, but completely crazy in my opinion).

Return is part of it...part of the self-determination of the Jewish people. Yes, NK are fringe.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Gee who is shooting back at the IDF then lol??? BTW, most of your sources are liberal rags...

Not ambulances or paramedics, not hungry civilians and not European diplomats.
And all these shooting incidents are severe breaching of the international Law.

BTW, most of your sources are liberal rags...

And therefor it didn't happen. There was no shooting at ambulances, there were no 15 paramedics killed. There was no shooting at hungry civilians, and there we no shooting at European diplomats.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The iniquity of the father

Family of Boulder firebombing suspect taken into federal custody, visas revoked: sources​

Mohamed Sabry Soliman’s wife and five children are in federal custody, sources confirm​

The family is being processed for expedited removal, sources said.

On Sept. 9, 2022, [the perp] filed [an asylum] claim with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

 

[rjs330]

What if all of the Arab states launched an unprecedented attack on Israel and managed to conquer the country? After their victory they rename Israel Palestine and allow this new state to form its own government. The Palestinian government invites Palestinian refugees from all over the world to return with most of the Israeli population fleeing to Europe and the United States. The homes and lands of the Isrealis that fled are now occupied by the newly arrived Palestinians. Around a million Israelis remain in Tel Aviv and the Palestinian government allows them to stay there, but they are put under strict surveillance, and they have to request permission from the government to travel anywhere outside of Tel Aviv.

Since the Arab states successfully invaded and took control of the former state of Israel, and the new Palestinian government is now able to protect and defend itself against any Israeli insurgencies, would you respect this new state of Palestine and recognize its right to exist?

What if? In today's world we typically find one nation invading another to conquer it abhorrent. Like what's happening in Ukraine. Or what the Axis did in WWII. Or how USSR was able to control nations after the war.

But the point stands. If Hitler had been able to conquer Europe and repelled the allies, then Europe becomes the 3rd Reich. And it belongs to the ones than conquered it and its up to them to defend it.

However, that is not what happened and Israel did not conquer any nation to become the nation of Israel in 1948. The Ottomans were gone, rhe British were leaving and Israel accepted the nation offered to them and declared their independance. They did not conquer in the traditional sense. They accepted territories that were given.

And they held those territories against the attack of the Arabs.

If Israel launched an invasion, Hitler style, against Egypt to invade and take over Egypt unprovoked, then I would say its wrong to do so. But that still wouldn't change the FACT that if they were able to conquer Egypt then Egypt would become part of Israel and it would be up to Israel to defend itself. And unless the world stepped in to stop it, it would become Israel.

In your scenario I believe it would be wrong for the Arabs to invade Israel. Because Israel is an established nation. But if the Arabs took Israel and made a nation of Palestine out of it, then they would have to defend it and it would become the nation of Palestine. And unless the world stepped in to stop it, thats what it would remain.

However I remind you that your scenarios are not equivalent to what actually happened when Israel became a nation.

 

[rjs330]

By April 2025 all HAmas terrorists had since long left Isreal, yet IDF still shoots ambulances:

Lol... I wonder who is fighting then. Maybe Israel is fighting the UN now?

I have no doubt that rhe IDF has fired on civilians. But that's what happens when you fight forces rhat live and fight and look like civilians. We know for a fact rhat Hamas uses hospitals, ambulances, homes and buildings for their attacks.

I dont doubt for a second that rhe IDF has made some serious mistakes in its battle against Hamas. They have fired upon people they shouldnt have.

What you and far too many in the world dont grasp is the kind of war rhat is happening. Urban warfare against an enemy that dresses like civilians, uses homes, refugee camps, emergency vehicles and hospitals, schools etc to fight in or use as operations. They hide among civilians and use them as shields. Its an impossible position.

This is entirely Hamas' fault.

 

[Perpetual Student]

This is entirely Hamas' fault.

"Hamas made us do it." That's what every domestic abuser says.
So, no. The decision to shoot or not to shoot lies with the IDF and Netanyahu.

 

[BCP1928]

Lol... I wonder who is fighting then. Maybe Israel is fighting the UN now?

I have no doubt that rhe IDF has fired on civilians. But that's what happens when you fight forces rhat live and fight and look like civilians. We know for a fact rhat Hamas uses hospitals, ambulances, homes and buildings for their attacks.

I dont doubt for a second that rhe IDF has made some serious mistakes in its battle against Hamas. They have fired upon people they shouldnt have.

What you and far too many in the world dont grasp is the kind of war rhat is happening. Urban warfare against an enemy that dresses like civilians, uses homes, refugee camps, emergency vehicles and hospitals, schools etc to fight in or use as operations. They hide among civilians and use them as shields. Its an impossible position.

This is entirely Hamas' fault.

OK, so nothing Netanyahu does in Gaza can be criticized, because it was forced on him by HAMAS. But the real issue is what our response to the situation should be. Britain and France decided to erect a western-oriented secular state in the Middle East and populated it with European immigrants. Now those immigrants are having considerable difficulty suppressing the indigenous inhabitants. What should we do about it? Israel is still western-oriented but it is our client state now, and its survival is of strategic importance to us--its survival with a good reputation would be even better. But can we criticize Netanyahu on that basis? No, that would be antisemitism.