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Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate

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Now show me actual stats showing it will not reach the projected number-
Actual stats? 2025 hasn't completely happened yet, so what we have are forecasts. Ones more recent than yours are in posts #1 and #4. They both indicate declines in at least some international travel to the US.
 
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how about all the travel agents,airport bookings, hotels that have out of country bookings taking a sharp decline
Link to actual stats please:

So far this year - I have Been to Athens Greece - Stuttgart, Germany - Munich Germany and in six Days I head to Riga, Latvia and London, UK.

I have seen ZERO evidence of anything slowing down - the planes are packed both ways - the airports are just as busy and the airlines are not loosing money.
 
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Actual stats? 2025 hasn't completely happened yet, so what we have are forecasts. Ones more recent than yours are in posts #1 and #4. They both indicate declines in at least some international travel to the US.

Let's look shall we -

The World Travel & Tourism Council said this month it expects the U.S. economy to lose a “staggering” $12.5 billion in spending from international visitors in 2025, a “direct blow to the U.S. economy overall, impacting communities, jobs, and businesses from coast to coast.”
Post number 1 - Expects - that is their prognostication - opinion at best - it is not factual
It's not clear if it's directly related, but this is recent news here in SoCal.
Post number 4 - Even you say not clear if it is related.

Got anything else?
 
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Post number 1 - Expects - that is their prognostication - opinion at best
So is the thing you shared. As I've explained, much of 2025 remains in the future.
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The U.S. as a whole is expected to be even more hard hit. Tourism Economics, a Philadelphia-based travel data company, expects international travel to the U.S. to decrease 5% this year, with a 15% decline in travel from Canada.
 
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With all due respect also - I have not seen proof that the international travel has slowed - only news reports and pearl clutching.

If you would like to post actual numbers and facts from a reliable source - like the Department of transportation - or travel.gov

If travel has declined significantly the last six months - then it doesn't have anything to do with the tariffs that were announced just 10 weeks ago.

If you believe there is a decline in foreign travel starting six months ago (December of 2024) One month before the President took office and three and a half months before any move on tariffs, that is your prerogative. However, presenting an opinion with absolutely no facts to back it up is weaker than a forecast IMHO.

Thank you.

You have made a valid point. I too have not encountered a comprehensive report indicating a downward trend in the tourism industry in the United States due to decreased foreign visitors. If this is your argument, I concur with your assessment.

However .....

Reports from various media sources suggest that the tourism industry in the northern United States is facing difficulties as customer numbers decline. States such as Minnesota, North Dakota, and Washington are experiencing challenges due to a reduction of more than 70% in Canadian visitors.

Media outlets in Canada and Europe, along with several governments including Germany and France, are advising their citizens against traveling to the United States, similar to advisories for Sudan and other countries.

Canadian public sentiment toward the United States has worsened. The Liberal party's influence increased by nearly 40% since February, leading to an election victory.

The reality can be acknowledged, or skepticism can be expressed through economic forecasts. Regardless, it remains evident that the opinions of citizens in Canada, Europe, Japan, and Australia towards the United States have become increasingly negative.

or


We can wait another six months to see a comprehensive report and evidence, if you prefer.
 
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Exercise increased caution in Germany due to terrorism.

Advisory Summary: Terrorist groups and lone actors remain a constant threat in Germany and Europe, attacking people in public locations with knives, small arms, rudimentary explosive devices, and vehicles. Such attacks may occur with little or no warning and target:

France, Denmark, Italy are all under the same travel advisory -

Yes, the tourist might - just might come for financial reasons - but US tourist going are under the threat of extremist attacks.
 
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ok, now what do the touristy parts of Philly look like? I haven't been to Philly proper in a while, but I know that here, in its little brother, Baltimore, the touristy areas look drastically different than the bad neighborhoods.
I don't know much about Philly, but I'm plenty familiar with Seattle. And it's pretty bad all over there. Pioneer Square, Occidental Square etc. And where I live in a smaller city north of Seattle it's bad.
 
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Except that view is not really true. Seattle in particular has not lost in tourism less of course the US/Canada border crossings which will have an effect.

The Numbers Are In: Seattle Tourism Is Back

Visit Seattle’s annual tourism report, released yesterday, contains information on “visitor profiles” for the first time. Many of the numbers — which pertain to domestic visitors, or 89% of visitors — are fascinating.
Though a clear plurality came here for personal reasons, fully half chose a hotel, about double the number who stayed with friends or relatives. Fifty-one percent came in their own vehicle, while 45% flew. Entertainment and outdoors were by far the main reasons for trips, far outpacing cultural, sports or business travel. Unsurprisingly, July, August and September were the most popular times to visit....
...Canada was once again expected to be the top international market, with about 1.7 million Canadians visiting last year, though border crossings are down about 30% recently because of President Trump’s steep tariffs and statements about annexing the country.

Those outside the US who choose not to come and negatively impacting tourism, do so not because of zombies in the street, but the zombie in the White house.
You're arguing against the OP assertion that tourism is in serious decline. My position is that if tourism is taking a major hit, which I doubt, the rampant homeless drug addicts all over the place situation probably plays a part in that.
 
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You're arguing against the OP assertion that tourism is in serious decline.
No, the OP is about international tourism. If Canada is the #1 source of foreign visitors, even after its numbers drop 30%, it's hard to believe international tourism on the whole is up.

(The article says there were 40 million visitors last year. ~90% were domestic, so that leaves 4 million foreigners. The number imply that there were ~2.4 million Canadians, leaving just 1.6 million from all other nations. This year Canadians are expected to drop 30% to 1.7 million, so all other countries would have to increase ~44% this year to keep the international visitors flat.)

My position is that if tourism is taking a major hit, which I doubt, the rampant homeless drug addicts all over the place situation probably plays a part in that.
Are there 30% more homeless drug addicts this year? Will that cause a one for one drop in Canadian tourism?

Color me skeptical.
 
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No, the OP is about international tourism. If Canada is the #1 source of foreign visitors, even after its numbers drop 30%, it's hard to believe international tourism on the whole is up.

(The article says there were 40 million visitors last year. ~90% were domestic, so that leaves 4 million foreigners. The number imply that there were ~2.4 million Canadians, leaving just 1.6 million from all other nations. This year Canadians are expected to drop 30% to 1.7 million, so all other countries would have to increase ~44% this year to keep the international visitors flat.)


Are there 30% more homeless drug addicts this year? Will that cause a one for one drop in Canadian tourism?

Color me skeptical.
Thread title: "Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate." The assertion is people are afraid to visit the US because of Trump, thus tourism is supposedly suffering greatly or is supposedly going to suffer greatly. The person I replied to posted how good tourism is doing.
 
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I don't know much about Philly, but I'm plenty familiar with Seattle. And it's pretty bad all over there. Pioneer Square, Occidental Square etc. And where I live in a smaller city north of Seattle it's bad.

Tell me about it, I remember when Gary Locke forced me to live in a bad neighborhood and wouldn't let me move away.
 
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Thread title: "Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate." The assertion is people are afraid to visit the US because of Trump, thus tourism is supposedly suffering greatly or is supposedly going to suffer greatly. The person I replied to posted how good tourism is doing.
What garbage. Domestic tourism is up.
 
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My friend went to Scotland for her anniversary and said they are very anti-Trump.
Of course he wants them to remove windmills, a very common source of energy there, because they interfere with the scenery around his golf clubs. They asked her if Americans had lost their minds. Although she felt there is now some generalized anti-americanism because they think we are all insane, they were very friendly and kind to her, especially when they knew of her political leanings.
Not just Scotland but most of the UK (I'm in England). In fact it might be most of the world. I'm glad that your friends found the Scots friendly though.
The BIG things here are 1) perceptions around the friendliness of the US as destination and traveller personal safety and 2) personal opposition to Trump administration policies.
No 2 definitely. Becoming isolationist in imposing tariffs (and being rude to Zelensky) is not endearing us to your President. We know that there are nice USA citizens though!
 
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What garbage. Domestic tourism is up.

It might be, but they're not flying more than last year.

TSA screenings for first 153 days of the year

2024: 363,528,447
2025: 364,378,887

So, just over 850,000 fewer travellers. That includes domestic and international.

Source: TSA checkpoint travel numbers | Transportation Security Administration


Onto the question at hand:

US foreign national international arrivals by air for year to April-2025: 18,544,446, -2.5% year-on-year

Month by month:
January: +1.7%
February: -4.8%
March: -9.7%
April: +2.9%

Source: U.S. International Air Travel Statistics (I-92 data)

US visitor arrivals (overnight stays by foreign nationals) for year to April 2025: 10,159,037, -0.2% year-on-year (preliminary data which excludes Canada and arrivals on land from Mexico).

Source: I-94 Arrivals Program

I'm waiting on the May-2025 I-92 and I-94 data to do a full analysis (for work). Should be released on the 8th, although ITA released have been somewhat unreliable in recent months.
 
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Stick to the topic, which is

Trends in international visitors with regard to the current state of the Tourism Industry in the US
Not at all - it was in direct response to the poster who asked why they should come to the US and then cited the fear for their safety - without calling them out - I showed it was no safer in Europe.

I understand when there are multiple conversations happening you could get confused. No Harm - No Foul.
 
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US visitor arrivals (overnight stays by foreign nationals) for year to April 2025: 10,159,037, -0.2% year-on-year (preliminary data which excludes Canada and arrivals on land from Mexico).
Thank you for actually publishing facts - very helpful.

-0.2% on the year is not quite STAGGERING Economic losses now - is it?

As for Canada - when the Canadian dollar is worth only 73 cents American - how could they afford to come to begin with.
 
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