BREAKING: 'Targeted Terror Attack' Hits Boulder, Colorado, During Pro-Israel Gathering

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Thou shalt not kill. Applicable to everyone. No exceptions

Thou shall not MURDER...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And the Israeli approach to solving this problem, making themselves 100 times more hateful, more dangerous, and more deadly than Hamas is, sure isn't working.

The Israeli approach is to rid Gaza of Hamas.

 

[BCP1928]

That IS antisemitic...Zionism is the self-determination of the Jewish people

No, it's the self-determination of Israelis. The danger here is assuming that the present state of Israel is the fulfillment of some sort of divine promises that may have been made long ago.

 

[durangodawood]

Thou shall not MURDER...

*looks on wall of Texas classrooms* .......thats not what it says there.

 

[Valletta]

Yet, it's "amazing" how often people don't.

Right, they had to kill the children to stop Hamas. That also explains the shacklings and amputations - they just gotta learn.

Dresden is nothing to brag about.

As we know, Hamas abuses children, hiding behind them and making sure they are killed in order to further their cause.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

*looks on wall of Texas classrooms* .......thats not what it says there.

LOL...so you can't kill an animal and eat it...forget passover...OK....

 

[ozso]

*looks on wall of Texas classrooms* .......thats not what it says there.

תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ (tir·tzach) Strong's 7523: to murder.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, it's the self-determination of Israelis. The danger here is assuming that the present state of Israel is the fulfillment of some sort of divine promises that may have been made long ago.

So YOU get to define what Zionism is...LOL. Assuming or not, Israel is the Jewish State, that is fact.

 

[BCP1928]

So YOU get to define what Zionism is...LOL. Assuming or not, Israel is the Jewish State, that is fact.

Why don't all Jews agree with you?

 

[JosephZ]

The Israeli approach is to rid Gaza of Hamas.

Unfortunately, the Israelis' ongoing approach isn't going to rid the Palestinian territories of Hamas. As I've been saying since October 2023, Hamas will not be defeated militarily.

October 21, 2023

"History tells us a couple of things; first, the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians isn't going to be resolved by war; and second, military force alone can't defeat a terrorist group like Hamas."


October 12, 2023

"Israel is not going to be able to destroy Hamas militarily... The current approach is only going to exacerbate long-standing grievances between the Palestinians and Israel, and until those grievances are addressed, terrorist attacks against Israel will continue. With every Palistinian child, brother, sister, father, mother, or grandparent that is killed by Isreali forces, another potential terrorist is born.

Other side effects of the ongoing military campaign against Hamas will be the possibility of splinter groups forming, foreign terrorist groups and lone wolves who sympathize with Hamas, and the struggle of the Palestinian people to conduct terror attacks in other parts of the world."


October 11, 2023

"When people see their homes leveled, family members killed, or entire communities destroyed by military action, it often leads them to support or even join terrorist groups themselves. Years of military action against Gaza and the Palestinians have become a rallying cry for terrorists around the world, and Israel's renewed bombardment of Gaza and the killing of innocent civilians is only going to lead to further violence, not only in Israel but in other parts of the world as well."


October 25, 2023

The IDF is making a grave mistake that will have negative consequences not only for Israel, but also the United States for many years to come."

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No different than the NAZI youth in Germany in WW2. They need to get rid of leadership and re-educate the youth. Nothing will change otherwise. Problem here is these Islamic terrorists live in much of the ME, not just in Gaza.

I agree. However, this will require decades of occupation and control of every aspect of Gazan society and culture. Education, media, and government must be deradicalized until a newer, more ideologically stable, generation are able to gradually regain control. Kinda like after the Israelites' 40 years wondering the desert to get the Egypt out of their system, Palestinians need a similar 40 years in the wilderness to wait for the current generation to die off and are replaced.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Thou shalt not kill. Applicable to everyone. No exceptions

You shall not murder is a more accurate interpretation.

 

[bèlla]

What began in the middle east has reached our soil. That’s the problem. We should have brought it to an end long ago. Now we want to complain when the negative effects of its continuance occur. It was bound the happen.

~bella

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Why was this terrorist to overstay his visa? Why wasn't he deported in march?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In terms of the rise of anti-semitism, the only solution I can see is Netanyahu's ending the Palestinian genocide. We have not had active anti-Semitism for years, but the whole world is crying out against the horrors Netanyahu is inflicting on Gaza, and some unstable people are launching attacks at the nearest targets.

People are missing the mark on that one...

With or without Netanyahu, Palestinians would still be attacking Israelis, and the prevailing attitudes in the region are still inherently antisemitic.

Prime Minister Rabin was arguably the most "Palestinian-sympathetic" PM in Israel's history.

What happened to Israel during his tenure?

Is the way Netanyahu is handling thing incorrect? I'd say so... but his handling of the situation is just being used as an excuse for the thing they'd want to do anyway.


That's why I mentioned in another thread.

The "anti-Netanyahu" movement, shouldn't be a "pro-Palestinian" movement. It caused ideologies to blur together.

The same way an "anti-Crips" movement shouldn't turn into a "pro-Bloods" movement.


We, as a nation, seem to have lost our ability to recognize nuance and criticize one extreme entity, without glorifying whoever their rival happens to be.


Take this example:

Say some radical person/group firebombed the Westboro Baptist Church. Would the appropriate way to condemn the act of firebombing be for counter protestors to start flying the Westboro flag or chanting their slogans?

Like I also mentioned in the other thread, this isn't the WWE, not every conflict had a cleanly delineated "good guy vs. bad guy".

Sometimes it's "really bad guy vs. even worse guy"...and we do ourselves a disservice if we cheer on the former simply because they're a little less bad than the latter.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

What began in the middle east has reached our soil. That’s the problem. We should have brought it to an end long ago. Now we want to complain when the negative effects of its continuance occur. It was bound the happen.

~bella

Imagine how much worse it could have been if Trump allowed all those Syrian refugees into the country.

 

[JosephZ]

People are missing the mark on that one...

With or without Netanyahu, Palestinians would still be attacking Israelis, and the prevailing attitudes in the region are still inherently antisemitic.

Prime Minister Rabin was arguably the most "Palestinian-sympathetic" PM in Israel's history.

What happened to Israel during his tenure?
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You are leaving out some very important details. The suicide bombings by Hamas and Islamic Jihad during Rabin's tenure were in direct response to the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre. It was Israeli settlers that opposed Prime Minister Rabin and the peace process.

The massacre at the Cave of the Patriarchs – 30 Palestinians killed and more than 120 wounded by automatic gunfire from Baruch Goldstein at the Cave of the Patriarchs on the morning of Purim (and the middle of Ramadan) on February 25, 1994

Provocation to provoke a Palestinian response has always been a cornerstone of the settlers' method of expanding their control. And this time – also according to his wife's testimony – Goldstein's goal was to destroy the Oslo Accords with a massacre that would require revenge. This is what happened in the past: the massacre of the convoy of doctors and nurses to Hadassah on April 13, 1948, in which 77 Jews were murdered, came immediately after the Deir Yassin massacre by the Irgun and Lehi, four days earlier. The settlers internalized and perfected the method.

Hamas and Jihad mobilized for revenge and portrayed Arafat and the PLO as neglecting the defense of their people. After a period of significant calm following the signing of the Oslo Accords, the massacre in the cave sparked a series of revenge attacks unparalleled since the War of Independence. 164 Israelis were murdered in eight bomb attacks, all by Hamas and Jihad, all inside Israel, all from explosive belts and IEDs. The facts did not confuse the settlers who mobilized to dance on the blood and call Rabin a "traitor" for "Rabin gave them guns." After all, the goal - the elimination of Rabin and Oslo - sanctifies lies.

WEST BANK MASSACRE: AT LEAST 40 SLAIN IN WEST BANK AS ISRAELI FIRES INTO MOSQUE; CLINTON MOVES TO RESCUE TALKS -- NEW CLASHES LIKELY.

On the bloodiest day in the occupied territories since Israel captured them in 1967, a Jewish settler killed at least 40 and possibly 50 Palestinians and wounded an estimated 150 others today, spraying them with automatic rifle fire as they knelt together in prayer at a shrine venerated by both Muslims and Jews.

The gunman, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, a 37-year-old resident of Qiryat Arba, opened fire on the Muslim worshipers at dawn in a mosque at the Cave of the Patriarchs in the tinderbox West Bank city of Hebron. The terrorist attack came as the victims were gathered to offer prayers as part of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting.

The Brooklyn-born settler, a follower of the anti-Arab Rabbi Meir Kahane, was apparently beaten to death by the worshipers after they overcame their initial terror.

The massacre touched off Palestinian rioting and clashes with Israeli soldiers that claimed about 10 Arab lives elsewhere in Hebron and other parts of the Israeli-occupied territories.

The massacre of the Muslim worshipers in Hebron sent shock waves through the Middle East and beyond, raising fears for the Israeli-Palestinian peace accord and prompting President Clinton to summon both sides to Washington for nonstop negotiations aimed at keeping the peace effort alive.

The chairman of the P.L.O., Yasir Arafat, described the killings as a "true blow to the peace process."

An armed wing of Hamas, the militant Islamic group, warned of reprisals for the Hebron massacre. In leaflets distributed in Gaza City, it said: "Our response will not take long."

 

[Fantine]

Israel sits on stolen land. They received a compassionate gift from the world, a piece of the Promised Land in 1948. In 1967, they more than doubled their territory in the six day war. And that's why the Palestinians are mad. For the most part they aren't living in Israel. They are living in occupied land, land that was stolen from their people in 1967.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Unfortunately, the Israelis' ongoing approach isn't going to rid the Palestinian territories of Hamas. As I've been saying since October 2023, Hamas will not be defeated militarily.

October 21, 2023

"History tells us a couple of things; first, the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians isn't going to be resolved by war; and second, military force alone can't defeat a terrorist group like Hamas."


October 12, 2023

"Israel is not going to be able to destroy Hamas militarily... The current approach is only going to exacerbate long-standing grievances between the Palestinians and Israel, and until those grievances are addressed, terrorist attacks against Israel will continue. With every Palistinian child, brother, sister, father, mother, or grandparent that is killed by Isreali forces, another potential terrorist is born.

Other side effects of the ongoing military campaign against Hamas will be the possibility of splinter groups forming, foreign terrorist groups and lone wolves who sympathize with Hamas, and the struggle of the Palestinian people to conduct terror attacks in other parts of the world."


October 11, 2023

"When people see their homes leveled, family members killed, or entire communities destroyed by military action, it often leads them to support or even join terrorist groups themselves. Years of military action against Gaza and the Palestinians have become a rallying cry for terrorists around the world, and Israel's renewed bombardment of Gaza and the killing of innocent civilians is only going to lead to further violence, not only in Israel but in other parts of the world as well."


October 25, 2023

The IDF is making a grave mistake that will have negative consequences not only for Israel, but also the United States for many years to come."

It is a start. However I do agree with some of what you said. Hamas needs to not be in power. Gazans are finally starting to realize that Hamas is the problem and not the answer.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Why don't all Jews agree with you?

The majority do...there will always be fringe groups that disagree...