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its our perception by way of our flesh that does not enter into heaven ... and therefor the end of all flesh is the end of the perception of it ...
So we'll get a new body (or new flesh) that no longer wants to sin?

But what if the temptations that we have to sin right now is not just only because of the flesh we right now have? What if it's much deeper than that, etc? And what if it has something to do with how each one was made, etc? Would it still be right for God to keep some out of Heaven?
 
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So if a person dies being a sinner, can they still get into Heaven?

in the scriptures only three souls entered into the land\promise whilst in the flesh ... the land as is the most holy place or Tabernacles being in picture the kingdom and no different than the soul one finds having first lost it ...
 
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So we'll get a new body (or new flesh) that no longer wants to sin?

What if the temptation to sin is not just because of the flesh we right now have, etc?

sin is a perception of lack whereby all things become of gain ... when in heaven you will want for nothing because all things will be yours ...
 
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in the scriptures only three souls entered into the land\promise whilst in the flesh ... the land as is the most holy place or Tabernacles being in picture the kingdom and no different than the soul one finds having first lost it ...
I'm not understanding anything you are saying, or are trying to say here with this, sorry. Maybe if you could be a little bit more plain/clear maybe? Or maybe include a little bit more of the details/specifics maybe, etc?
 
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sin is a perception of lack whereby all things become of gain ... when in heaven you will want for nothing because all things will be yours ...
But we still don't know if we will still want/desire to sin though, etc?
 
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But we still don't know if we will still want/desire to sin though, etc?
we only want\desire what we don't have ... we will put on new clothes as in a new perception ... the old will pass away ...
 
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we only want\desire what we don't have ... we will put on new clothes as in a new perception ... the old will pass away ...
In Heaven, will we lose all memory of our prior/previous life or existence as a sinner vulnerable to sinful temptations/desires on earth?

Some of those desires/temptations felt pretty good to give into sometimes for those who did give into them sometimes, and for those who didn't give into them a lot, or do them a lot, or all of the time, they most certainly wanted to do them a lot, or all of the time, etc, so how can we be so sure that all of those things will just all of the sudden magically disappear once we are in Heaven in the next life, if we don't ever fully lose our memory of our having been on earth in the/our previous life?
 
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I'm not understanding anything you are saying, or are trying to say here with this, sorry. Maybe if you could be a little bit more plain/clear maybe? Or maybe include a little bit more of the details/specifics maybe, etc?

i am being clear as i can ... what made the women in the garden eat from the tree ... was it not the words of the serpent that planted a seed of lack in her mind ... which caused her to look upon the tree as good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom,
 
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In Heaven, will we lose all memory of our prior/previous life or existence as a sinner vulnerable to sinful temptations/desires on earth?

yes ... even God will ... because I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I shall remember their sins no more.
 
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God can't judge us by the standard of absolute perfection, or we would all stand condemned, and if you think otherwise, then I think you will stand condemned, and anything you have done or achieved by your own efforts is as filthy rags, and is an offense to God, because it puffs you up with pride, which is a sin that God hates over and above and beyond any others, because that is what happened to the Devil, and is also what happens with his children, who are God's actual enemies, etc. That being said, then should we continue in sin then? or not ever resist the urge to sin then? Well, that's probably not a very good idea either, but neither is trading some sins for sins that God hates even very much more either, etc. I would tell you that any and all sin, including some sins that you might trade for other sins, they can all be a possible risk to salvation, or of you getting to enjoy an eternity with God in the afterlife in Heaven, etc. Because He cannot judge us by the standard of absolute perfection, but nor can He just completely ignore any or all sin, then it's possible that some sin(s) can be a possible risk to salvation, etc. But God might also love a person a lot more who seems to be to the rest of the world 100% completely lost in their sins, because they are humble, versus a proud, judgemental, extremely critical and condemning, self-righteous person because they are not, etc, but are actually the true enemies of his, etc.

This is why I said some people are going to be very, very surprised on judgement day when that happens in Heaven, or before you can get into Heaven, etc.

I do also believe that judgement of every single individual is all going to be on a case by case basis also, etc, even though this won't seem to be very fair at first to some though, but in or by the end of it (the judgement) God will show us all how it was all 100% just/true/right, etc. And then people will be sent to their appropriate destinations that everyone regardless of where they are going will then be 100% agreed upon 100% completely, etc.

Also, none knows whether or not those being saved or getting into Heaven will be many or few either, Jesus didn't even know while he was here, but it was like the exact time and days of all of the seasons, no one ever knows/knew except our Father in Heaven, etc. So, just in case you are trying to evaluate the likelihood of your making it in or not based on that, you can't, because no one ever fully knew/knows that ever but only our Father in Heaven, and He has chosen not to fully reveal all of the exact details of that until we are all standing before Him before we are all maybe (or maybe not) getting into Heaven, etc.

God Bless.
We our judged by our faith and love for our Father. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our propitiation. His sacrificial death on the cross satisfied God's righteous wrath against human sin, thereby making reconciliation between God and humanity possible. This is the core Tennant of the Gospel. Propitiation refers to an act that appeases or turns away the wrath. It is crucial to understand that it is God Himself who provides the means of propitiation. It's not about humans trying to pacify an angry deity, but God, in His immense love, providing the solution to His own just wrath.

"In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins" 1 John 4:10

As far as our sinful flesh, we are conformed daily through the power of His Holy Spirit who leads us in all truth and conviction.

Blessings
 
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yes ... even God will ... because I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I shall remember their sins no more.
It might help me if you could show me a scripture that says that we lose all memory of our previous life?

But and/or then/also, what if I don't want to ever lose all memory of my previous life?
 
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i am being clear as i can ... what made the women in the garden eat from the tree ... was it not the words of the serpent that planted a seed of lack in her mind ... which caused her to look upon the tree as good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom,
I don't have a lot of want/lack in my life, but yet, I still have the desire/temptation to sin still in my own life, and I still even sometimes want to sin still in my own life, even though there is very little to no real lack/want of anything else right now in my own life?
 
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This may be news to many who identify as being of the christians beliefs. But Jesus has been judged for all sin and being the perfect Lamb this judgement took away all sin.

So if you find yourself at the great white throne judgement being judged, then you simply never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. Because after the great white throne judgment all people there go to the lake of fire.
 
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We our judged by our faith and love for our Father. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our propitiation. His sacrificial death on the cross satisfied God's righteous wrath against human sin, thereby making reconciliation between God and humanity possible. This is the core Tennant of the Gospel. Propitiation refers to an act that appeases or turns away the wrath. It is crucial to understand that it is God Himself who provides the means of propitiation. It's not about humans trying to pacify an angry deity, but God, in His immense love, providing the solution to His own just wrath.

"In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins" 1 John 4:10

As far as our sinful flesh, we are conformed daily through the power of His Holy Spirit who leads us in all truth and conviction.

Blessings
So, how much sin is either allowed, or is not allowed in Heaven or not? Or how much sin can you still be guilty of/tempted by and still get into Heaven? Is getting into Heaven conditional based on some certain things or not, etc? And if so, or if it is, what are, or are not, some of those things?

God Bless.
 
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It might help me if you could show me a scripture that says that we lose all memory of our previous life?

But and/or then/also, what if I don't want to ever lose all memory of my previous life?
herefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

“Remember not the former things, nor consider the things of old. Behold, I am doing a new thing


“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”
 
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This may be news to many who identify as being of the christians beliefs. But Jesus has been judged for all sin and being the perfect Lamb this judgement took away all sin.

So if you find yourself at the great white throne judgement being judged, then you simply never believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. Because after the great white throne judgment all people there go to the lake of fire.
What is required in believing in Jesus well enough or good enough or right enough for Eternal Life?

Also, do you maybe think that those being saved/getting into Heaven are going to be many or few maybe?

And also, apparently Jesus being judged for all sin for everybody, didn't take away all sin for everybody, etc, do you maybe care to try and explain that a little bit more maybe?
 
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I don't have a lot of want/lack in my life, but yet, I still have the desire/temptation to sin still in my own life, and I still even sometimes want to sin still in my own life, even though there is very little to no real lack/want of anything else right now in my own life?

anything that is not of faith is sin ... is faith not a gift ... is not faith counted as righteousness ... oh you men of little faith ...faith being the very person of God within you ... the issue being we are trying to gain what is already ours ...
 
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So, how much sin is either allowed, or is not allowed in Heaven or not? Or how much sin can you still be guilty of/tempted by and still get into Heaven? Is getting into Heaven conditional based on some certain things or not, etc? And if so, or if it is, what are, or are not, some of those things?

God Bless.
There is no sin in the New Jerusalem,
( heaven). Maybe do a more in-depth study of what Jesus Christ of Nazareth did for humanity. Obviously, we are not sinless nor can we ever be so the answer lies in Him.
 
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herefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,

“Remember not the former things, nor consider the things of old. Behold, I am doing a new thing


“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”
To lose all memory of who we once were is to forget who we now are, etc.

Everything we now are, came from who we once were, otherwise we would not be who we now are, etc.

It's like a nation or people or society that forgets history, it leaves them extremely, extremely vulnerable to repeat all the mistakes of the past, because that's what most usually happens when you forget your past, etc. I don't want to lose all memory.of who I once was, etc, it cost me way, way too much for one thing, and I learned from them, and it made me who I right now am today, etc, and I'd rather die than lose that I think, etc. If you forget the mistakes, you also forget the lessons learned from them, etc, and I don't ever want to forget that really, etc.

Ok, answer me this then, will our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, will he still have his visible marks/scars from when he was crucified on earth all throughout all of the rest of our lives and all throughout the rest of our eternity spent with him in Heaven? And if so, then how can we ever forget our lives on earth, or ever forget that Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins on earth while he was here if he will always still bear those scars throughout our eternity spent with him in Heaven? Wouldn't they be a constant reminder of our own personal sinful life on earth, since it was each one of us our own personal sins individually that gave him those scars while all of us were on earth? Yes/no, or No/yes?

God Bless.
 
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What is required in believing in Jesus well enough or good enough or right enough for Eternal Life?

Also, do you maybe think that those being saved/getting into Heaven are going to be many or few maybe?

And also, apparently Jesus being judged for all sin for everybody, didn't take away all sin for everybody, etc, do you maybe care to try and explain that a little bit more maybe?
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What is required, Jesus answers your question in John 11

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”



The verse below plainly states Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of believers (our sins) and also for unbelievers (the whole world)
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Also John states Jesus takes away the sin of the world.
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
 
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