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God can't judge us by the standard of absolute perfection, or we would all stand condemned, and if you think otherwise, then I think you will stand condemned, and anything you have done or achieved by your own efforts is as filthy rags, and is an offense to God, because it puffs you up with pride, which is a sin that God hates over and above and beyond any others, because that is what happened to the Devil, and is also what happens with his children, who are God's actual enemies, etc. That being said, then should we continue in sin then? or not ever resist the urge to sin then? Well, that's probably not a very good idea either, but neither is trading some sins for sins that God hates even very much more either, etc. I would tell you that any and all sin, including some sins that you might trade for other sins, they can all be a possible risk to salvation, or of you getting to enjoy an eternity with God in the afterlife in Heaven, etc. Because He cannot judge us by the standard of absolute perfection, but nor can He just completely ignore any or all sin, then it's possible that some sin(s) can be a possible risk to salvation, etc. But God might also love a person a lot more who seems to be to the rest of the world 100% completely lost in their sins, because they are humble, versus a proud, judgemental, extremely critical and condemning, self-righteous person because they are not, etc, but are actually the true enemies of his, etc.

This is why I said some people are going to be very, very surprised on judgement day when that happens in Heaven, or before you can get into Heaven, etc.

I do also believe that judgement of every single individual is all going to be on a case by case basis also, etc, even though this won't seem to be very fair at first to some though, but in or by the end of it (the judgement) God will show us all how it was all 100% just/true/right, etc. And then people will be sent to their appropriate destinations that everyone regardless of where they are going will then be 100% agreed upon 100% completely, etc.

Also, none knows whether or not those being saved or getting into Heaven will be many or few either, Jesus didn't even know while he was here, but it was like the exact time and days of all of the seasons, no one ever knows/knew except our Father in Heaven, etc. So, just in case you are trying to evaluate the likelihood of your making it in or not based on that, you can't, because no one ever fully knew/knows that ever but only our Father in Heaven, and He has chosen not to fully reveal all of the exact details of that until we are all standing before Him before we are all maybe (or maybe not) getting into Heaven, etc.

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I think Jesus can help you be saved from being judged based on the standard of 100% absolute perfection, but I just don't know about 100% completely regardless of any or all sin though regardless of what you were like? That's why I think it can still always be a possible risk maybe, etc. But feel free to debate with me or others about that if you like.

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God can't judge us by the standard of absolute perfection, or we would all stand condemned, and if you think otherwise, then I think you will stand condemned, and anything you have done or achieved by your own efforts is as filthy rags, and is an offense to God, because it puffs you up with pride, which is a sin that God hates over and above and beyond any others, because that is what happened to the Devil, and is also what happens with his children, who are God's actual enemies, etc. That being said, then should we continue in sin then? or not ever resist the urge to sin then? Well, that's probably not a very good idea either, but neither is trading some sins for sins that God hates even very much more either, etc. I would tell you that any and all sin, including some sins that you might trade for other sins, they can all be a possible risk to salvation, or of you getting to enjoy an eternity with God in the afterlife in Heaven, etc. Because He cannot judge us by the standard of absolute perfection, but nor can He just completely ignore any or all sin, then it's possible that some sin(s) can be a possible risk to salvation, etc. But God might also love a person a lot more who seems to be to the rest of the world 100% completely lost in their sins, because they are humble, versus a proud, judgemental, extremely critical and condemning, self-righteous person because they are not, etc, but are actually the true enemies of his, etc.

This is why I said some people are going to be very, very surprised on judgement day when that happens in Heaven, or before you can get into Heaven, etc.

I do also believe that judgement of every single individual is all going to be on a case by case basis also, etc, even though this won't seem to be very fair at first to some though, but in or by the end of it (the judgement) God will show us all how it was all 100% just/true/right, etc. And then people will be sent to their appropriate destinations that everyone regardless of where they are going will then be 100% agreed upon 100% completely, etc.

Also, none knows whether or not those being saved or getting into Heaven will be many or few either, Jesus didn't even know while he was here, but it was like the exact time and days of all of the seasons, no one ever knows/knew except our Father in Heaven, etc. So, just in case you are trying to evaluate the likelihood of your making it in or not based on that, you can't, because no one ever fully knew/knows that ever but only our Father in Heaven, and He has chosen not to fully reveal all of the exact details of that until we are all standing before Him before we are all maybe (or maybe not) getting into Heaven, etc.

God Bless.
But God does judge us by the standard of absolute perfection - that is His standard. That is why we read in God's word:

“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” (Ro 3:23 NKJV)

That is also why even what we imagine to be our righteousness is like "filthy rags" in God's sight.


And of course, that is why we need a Saviour.
 
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But God does judge us by the standard of absolute perfection - that is His standard. That is why we read in God's word:

“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” (Ro 3:23 NKJV)

That is also why even what we imagine to be our righteousness is like "filthy rags" in God's sight.


And of course, that is why we need a Saviour.
So your saying that God does judge us by a standard of absolute perfection, but if we have Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, then we don't ever need to worry at all about ever being judged for any kind of sin at all, is that what you are saying? That Jesus automatically gives us a free pass on any kind of sin at all, is that what you are saying?
 
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So your saying that God does judge us by a standard of absolute perfection, but if we have Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, then we don't ever need to worry at all about ever being judged for any kind of sin at all, is that what you are saying? That Jesus automatically gives us a free pass on any kind of sin at all, is that what you are saying?
Not quite. We are not given a free pass to sin as much as we like. But the sins we do commit (whether by doing something God prohibits, or by not doing something He commands), if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we have forgiveness for those sins.
 
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Not quite. We are not given a free pass to sin as much as we like. But the sins we do commit (whether by doing something God prohibits, or by not doing something He commands), if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, we have forgiveness for those sins.
Is it only partial forgiveness then?

Or if just only believing is the only requirement for total forgiveness, then what is required to have a good enough belief to the point to where any kind of sinning doesn't matter for you at all anymore any longer, etc?
 
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What is meant by this statement? Victory for who, or for what?
so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.

His victory is ours ... we being the word\seed\son ...
 
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so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.

His victory is ours ... we being the word\seed\son ...
So do we all get to go to Heaven after we die irregardless of any kind of sin?
 
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So do we all get to go to Heaven after we die irregardless of any kind of sin?
For when Your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness.
 
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Is it only partial forgiveness then?

Or if just only believing is the only requirement for total forgiveness, then what is required to have a good enough belief to the point to where any kind of sinning doesn't matter for you at all anymore any longer, etc?
No. The forgiveness is full. I don't understand what you mean by " to the point to where any kind of sinning doesn't matter for you at all anymore any longer." Sin should always matter to the Christian, not because every time they sin as Christians they lose their salvation (they don't) but because is going against the will of the God we believe in.
 
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For when Your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness.
I believe that's from the OT, speaking of maybe when some of God's judgements came upon them back then in the past, most usually as what the Israelites perceived to be as some sort of punishment from Him, so did they (or the people of the rest of the world back then) learn what true righteousness was when those punishments came back then? And if so, or if not, then why, or why not, etc?

And you also didn't answer my question either, which was "Do we all get to go to Heaven when we die irregardless of any kind of sin?"

God Bless.
 
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And you also didn't answer my question either, which was "Do we all get to go to Heaven when we die irregardless of any kind of sin?"

God Bless.
how that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not reckoning their trespasses to them, and having put into us the word of reconciliation.
 
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No. The forgiveness is full. I don't understand what you mean by " to the point to where any kind of sinning doesn't matter for you at all anymore any longer." Sin should always matter to the Christian, not because every time they sin as Christians they lose their salvation (they don't) but because is going against the will of the God we believe in.
I was talking about sin mattering or not as it pertains to getting into Heaven, and/or salvation, and not because we cared about doing it or not, etc. If forgiveness is full, or total, or isn't conditional as it pertains to salvation, or getting into Heaven, then it also stands to reason that it can't really matter how much sin we do or not, otherwise it's conditional, correct? So what are those conditions exactly?
 
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how that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not reckoning their trespasses to them, and having put into us the word of reconciliation.
So now you're seeming to say that sin doesn't matter (because we have been reconciled to God or Christ through or by Jesus Christ) is that what you are now saying, or are trying to say?
 
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So now you're seeming to say that sin doesn't matter (because we have been reconciled to God or Christ through or by Jesus Christ) is that what you are now saying, or are trying to say?

in Him, in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of the One working all things according to the counsel of His will,

not saying sin does not matter ... sin plays its part until its part is no longer needed ...
 
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I think certain things, which would include certain kinds of people, just can't be let into, and/or allowed/permitted in Heaven, etc.

But I also don't think that people just automatically get lobotomized upon entering Heaven just because they believe in Jesus Christ either, etc.

So, what things specifically might keep a person out of Heaven, or absolutely might keep a person out of Heaven most definitely absolutely, etc?

Or is there maybe a way to be a way that might not be allowed in Heaven, and still get into Heaven anyway, etc?

God Bless.
 
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I think certain things, which would include certain kinds of people, just can't be let into, and/or allowed/permitted in Heaven, etc.

But I also don't think that people just automatically get lobotomized upon entering Heaven just because they believe in Jesus Christ either, etc.

So, what things specifically might keep a person out of Heaven, or might absolutely keep a person out of Heaven most definitely absolutely, etc?

Or is there maybe a way to be a way that might not be allowed in Heaven, and still get into Heaven anyway, etc?

God Bless.
its our perception by way of our flesh that does not enter into heaven ... and therefor the end of all flesh is the end of the perception of it ...
 
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