Well preserved Archaeopteryx fossil shows link between birds and dinosaurs.

[AV1611VET]

So each human tribe is a genus?

LOL -- is that what I emphasized?

You're trying hard to misunderstand me.

And you're succeeding.

Then perhaps it was a mistake to cite sources that contradict your beliefs.

And what specifically do I believe?

Again, mistaking terms with vague usages in everyday language as technical terms will always lead you away from the truth.

So you're demonstrating.

You don't seem to have it clear in your own mind.

You seem to realize that humans are one species, but then cite a source that considers them a genus.

Humans don't have a genus?

What's a "Homo" then?

(Don't answer that.)

Make up your mind.

Why?

You're "making it up" for me.

And doing a good job.

Once more, mistaking terms with vague usages in everyday language as technical terms will always lead you away from the truth.

I can see now why you're saying this garbage.

Since you said this:

"Apparently, creationists have tried to redefine "macroevolution" to exclude the evolution of new species, genera, and sometimes families."

... you're trying so desperately to include me in that category, you're making yourself look bad.

Either that, or you truly, truly do not know what I believe.

(And I suspect it's both.)

 

[BCP1928]

My additions to the Bible?



Then how's this?

"Under no circumstances is your interpretation of the Bible to be accepted."

Better?



Am I on the right path now?

As long as it leads you to Christ. The trouble is, you're scaring people away by giving the impression that one must "believe the Bible" the way you do in order to believe in Him.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

As long as it leads you to Christ. The trouble is, you're scaring people away by giving the impression that one must "believe the Bible" the way you do in order to believe in Him.

I wouldn't call it 'scaring' but it is decidedly off-putting.

 

[The Barbarian]

So each human tribe is a genus?

LOL -- is that what I emphasized?

It's what you posted. I suspect you just googled and found something that vaguely related to what you wanted, and didn't read it very closely.
Then perhaps it was a mistake to cite sources that contradict your beliefs.

And what specifically do I believe?

More to the point, you don't seem to believe that humans comprise a genus, even though your links say so. Again, mistaking terms with vague usages in everyday language as technical terms will always lead you away from the truth.

So you're demonstrating.

This one was your demonstration. You seem to realize that humans are one species, but then cite a source that considers them a genus.

Humans don't have a genus?

Every species has a genus. But they aren't a genus.

What's a "Homo" then?

H. habilis, H.erectus, H. heidelbergensis,...(long list).
Once more, mistaking terms with vague usages in everyday language as technical terms will always lead you away from the truth.

Either that, or you truly, truly do not know what I believe.

Your posts and links so far, have indicated a number of contradictory things. So it's hard to say at this point.

 

[The Barbarian]

As long as it leads you to Christ.

Today's winner.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you understand why believers embrace it?

Yes.

I understand why believers embrace macroevolution.

They are being made to embrace it -- no option.

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Notice it doesn't say they will turn unto fables -- (as if they did it by choice).

It says they "shall be turned" unto fables.

Someone is making them do it.

Why should a believer, a person who has already put his faith in Christ, take up the shallow and theologically inadequate interpretation of scripture concocted to support YECism?

Because they go too far the other way.

As the saying goes, if the Devil can't make you hit the brakes, he will make you hit the gas.

And in their denial of Old Earth Creationism, they go too far the other way and embrace Young Earth Creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

As long as it leads you to Christ.

How does Genesis 1 lead me to Christ?

The trouble is, you're scaring people away by giving the impression that one must "believe the Bible" the way you do in order to believe in Him.

You have no idea what I believe.

Not a clue.

 

[AV1611VET]

I wouldn't call it 'scaring' but it is decidedly off-putting.

In his mind, yes.

I'm off-putting, adding to the Bible, and whatever else I'm not doing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your posts and links so far, have indicated a number of contradictory things. So it's hard to say at this point.

I shall leave you to your own machinations about what I believe.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In his mind, yes.

Not just his mind either...

I'm off-putting, adding to the Bible, and whatever else I'm not doing.

I could do a whole thread on you adding to the Bible, but call out threads are banned on the website.

 

[BCP1928]

How does Genesis 1 lead me to Christ?

It doesn't.

You have no idea what I believe.

Not a clue.

Sure I do. You've explained it and even linked us to Bible commentaries you approve of.

 

[AV1611VET]

Today's winner.

I'll ask again.

How does Genesis 1 lead me to Christ?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not just his mind either...

Yes, I know.

You're just as bad.

(Okay ... almost.)

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes, I know.

You're just as bad.

(Okay ... almost.)

You're personal interpretation of the Bible is off-putting.

 

[BCP1928]

I'll ask again.

How does Genesis 1 lead me to Christ?

I don't think it does. If you think it does, maybe you could explain how.

 

[The Barbarian]

And your prime directive is "Under no circumstances is my interpretation of the Bible to be contradicted."

Then how's this?

"Under no circumstances is your interpretation of the Bible to be accepted."

Better?

As we've discussed before, you aren't going to hell for denying common descent. If you make that denial into an idol and insist that everyone else believe it, that could be an issue. But creationists, absent that issue, are no less Christian than the rest of us.

Am I on the right path now?

Hopefully, it's just an error. There are lots of things Christians disagree on, without leaving His side.

I understand why believers embrace macroevolution.

It's directly observed happening around us. I think you have confused macroevolution (speciation) with common descent. But there's a good reason why believers accept common descent. Many honest YE creationists admit that the evidence strongly supports common descent.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I understand why unbelievers embrace evolutionary theory. They must, no matter how bad of a theory it is.

To try and get this thread back on track: @Sir Joseph could you further expand on the latter sentence, since as it stands, it's really just that bit nonsensical..

 

[AV1611VET]

It doesn't.

Then I'll take that remark with a modicum of sodium chloride.

Sure I do. You've explained it and even linked us to Bible commentaries you approve of.

And they didn't help a bit, did they?

In fact, they just made it worse, didn't they?

 

[AV1611VET]

You're personal interpretation of the Bible is off-putting.

And what is my interpretation of the Bible?

(I know ... "off-putting" ... )

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And what is my interpretation of the Bible?

(I know ... "off-putting" ... )

Is your senility acting up if you can't remember your own interpretation of the Bible?