International Student Visas Revoked - War on Higher Education?

[Perpetual Student]

That's not anti-intellectualism. That's budgetary.

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

 

[DaisyDay]

That's not a requirement for Visa cancelation. That only applies to actual criminal charges in a court of law. It's irrelevant in these cases.

Except in these and similar visa revocations, when their visa is revoked they become subject to ICE when suddenly they are no longer "documented".

 

[DaisyDay]

Oh I think so, because you've given it.

That doesn't seem to make a dent.

 

[sanderabeer]

But I certainly challenge the concept of the particular definition.

What do you mean by this? Do you mean to imply that "the concept of a particular definition" can be "right" or "wrong?"

For context, I am approaching and thinking about this from the perspective as someone trained in linguistics.

I mean art? Really? Just because someone has a certain opinion on certain so called art they are anti-intellectual?

I must have missed this comment. But surely one can have "anti-intellectual" opinions, no? And if they can have such opinions, why not about art? I understand art is often seen as "subjective" and "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," but there are certainly ways that anti-intellectual opinions could play out in the art world regardless if we use your preferred definition of anti-intellectual or the others in this thread.

 

[sanderabeer]

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

A good argument could be made that cutting the scientific research budget is anti-intellectual. I don't think it's necessarily anti-intellectual, but I do think with those making the decisions now a good case could be made that it is.

However, I don't think the connection being made here between the research budget and golfing budget is necessarily anti-intellectual. For it to be such, the person(s) making both decisions would need to approach it from a holistic perspective rather than treating each item in isolation. That is, they would need to be aware that doing one impacts the other. And I think that simply gives too much credit to those making the decisions. The connection is likely not anti-intellectualism, but it is just "plain stupid."

 

[rjs330]

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

No its not. It's okay to hold your opinion, but it's not. What's your evidence? Simply cutting budgets is not evidence that it's anti-intellectualism.

 

[rjs330]

Except in these and similar visa revocations, when their visa is revoked they become subject to ICE when suddenly they are no longer "documented".

Immigration law does not have the same requirements as criminal law. Not sure how manybtimes it needs to be said. You can be frustrated over it, but it is the law of the land and has been adjudicated as such. You'll need a different ruling from the Supreme Court. Just like we had to get.

 

[rjs330]

I must have missed this comment. But surely one can have "anti-intellectual" opinions, no?

What does that even mean? Inbthe definition it talks about several things, art being one of them. How is disagreeing rhat something is art or not anti-intellectual?

What do you mean by this? Do you mean to imply that "the concept of a particular definition" can be "right" or "wrong?"

I'm saying it's a bad definition. My art example shows why.

I understand art is often seen as "subjective" and "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," but there are certainly ways that anti-intellectual opinions could play out in the art world regardless if we use your preferred definition of anti-intellectual or the others in this thread.

Tell me how.

 

[loveofourlord]

I think the criteria for being an intellectual has changed. A long time ago one could be left, center, or right and still be an intellectual. I think now it is required that one be on the left to be an intellectual. So if you have a centrist or even right of center position you are not an intellectual and are in face anti-intellectual. It's just the times we live in.

right and it's not years of the right and fox news complaining about, "ivory tower elites." and attacks on experts if they disagree with the right, just look at how many think trumps smarter then all the economists.

 

[essentialsaltes]

UCLA international student detained at U.S.-Mexico border amid Trump visa cancellations​

“UCLA has learned that an international graduate student was detained by United States Customs and Border Protection while attempting to enter the United States from Mexico,” Mary Osako, UCLA vice chancellor for strategic communications, said in a statement to The Times.

“The student remains in the custody of CBP and we are actively working to learn more information."

[Her name and nationality are being kept private at the moment.]

Since late March, the Trump administration has suddenly canceled more than 1,000 visas of foreign students in the U.S., including more than 120 in California and roughly 20 at UCLA.

The administration has not given detailed reasons for the visa or student enrollment status cancellations.

More aggressive immigration enforcement actions took place last month, mainly at Ivy League and elite campuses in the Northeast, including Columbia University, where foreign students who supported pro-Palestinian protests were arrested for deportation. Some of those students were of Arab, Muslim or South Asian backgrounds. In statements and legal filings, the Trump administration has claimed the students were supporters of Hamas, a U.S.-designated terrorist group, and a threat to U.S. foreign policy goals.

In the case of the detained UCLA student, it is not known if she was involved in pro-Palestinian activism or if her visa had been canceled.

 

[DaisyDay]

This tactic of abruptly canceling visas, then immediately arresting the holders for suddenly having become illegal, imprisoning them and then deporting them with no hearing or explanation is anti-American, against the Constitution and against the rule of law. This is scary.

Apparently, when ICE/DHS take phones from people, they are collecting their contacts then mass emailing those contacts ordering them to "self-deport or else", despite the contacts being US citizens.

 

[Bradskii]

Social media chat:

'Hey Pedro/Olaf/Lee/Mustapha/Mei, do you support Hamas?'

'No, they're a terrorist organisation'.

'But what do you think about the deaths of so many innocent Palestinian women and children?'

'I think it's tantamount to a terrorist act in itself'.

That's it. None of these kids can now get into the US on a student visa. Welcome to The New Reality.

And this post itself on an open forum will throw doubt on whether I'd be allowed in on a holiday visa. So...planned visit next year has been cancelled. We'll still go to America. Just not the bit between Canada and Mexico.

 

[DaisyDay]

Trump Admin Revokes Harvard’s Authorization To Enroll International Students | News | The Harvard Crimson

The Trump administration revoked Harvard’s ability to enroll international students on Thursday, dramatically escalating the administration’s fight with the University and threatening thousands of current students.

www.thecrimson.com

In a press release, Noem announced that current international students must “transfer or lose their legal status.”

When a university’s SEVP certification is revoked, currently enrolled international students must choose between transferring to a different institution, changing their immigration status, or leaving the country, according to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website.

The move comes three weeks after Harvard partially submitted disciplinary records of international students that were requested by the Trump administration in mid-April. Administrators have declined to specify what information was shared with the agency.​

 

[Beth77]

As an American I don't want people coming here on student visas to engage in political activism.

 

[Beth77]

The far-left Ivy League schools are magnets for anti-Jewish radicals.

(Staff Edit)

 

[BCP1928]

How do you know?

You have no idea why these visas were canceled. Neither do I. But there was a reason. All college foreigners were not put in a hat and randomly selected.

Now we could argue that the State Dept. should tell the Amercan people why each and every student was ejected. But why should they? The left would attack them for just about any reason for it, so why bother. They don't have to provide anyone a reason. And until you can prove that there was NO reason for it, I will believe there was a reason. Its either that or the lottery, pick a student from a hat theory.

The UC Davis article said this:

"A spokesperson said the department generally won't comment on specific cases due to privacy considerations and visa confidentiality.

The spokesperson also cited "zero tolerance" for non-citizens who violate U.S. laws and said that all visa applicants are "continuously vetted."

It would be nice of they at least told the students.

 

[Beth77]

It would be nice of they at least told the students.

It would be nicer if foreign students respected our citizens and our rules.

 

[Bradskii]

It would be nicer if foreign students respected our citizens and our rules.

The 'rules' that you have, being a democratic country with a Bill of rights and a constitution, allow for views to be expressed.

You may not agree with some of those views but I expect you to support the constitution that grants you all the right to put them forward in a legal manner.

 

[Beth77]

The 'rules' that you have, being a democratic country with a Bill of rights and a constitution, allow for views to be expressed.

A point not in dispute.

 

[Bradskii]

A point not in dispute.

Then why should students be prevented from expressing views with which you object?