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You said that the ISO calendar in Europe is wrong, because the Hebrew calendar is the right one. Don't you remember?

That is why I ask you why do you not keep the Sabbath according to the Hebrew timezone. Or, do you believe that God created according to the US week?
I said the calendar goes back to Creation 6 days God worked and the seventh day, He rested and hallowed the Sabbath. Gen 2:1-3 God commanded man to follow this same weekly cycle Exo 20:8-11 as man is made in the likeness of God . No matter what man has dome to the calendar does not change this weekly cycle. The first day will always be day one or what we call Sunday now and the seventh day will always be the Sabbath or what we call Saturday. Why again almost all ancient languages Saturday literally translates into the Sabbath, because God will always preserve a way to obey Him the way He said to, for those who want to.

The time Zone doesn't matter, the Sabbath is from evening to evening and regardless where we are in the world on Friday evening at sunset until Saturday evening, we can enjoy God's Sabbath. I guess that why you never answered the question I asked from Scripture, because it not there.

I am OK agreeing to disagree. This will get sorted out soon enough, but I wish you well.
 
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The time Zone doesn't matter, the Sabbath is from evening to evening
It seems you do not understand the issue. If God proclaimed the 7th day according to the Hebrew calendar/timezone, then the East coast of the USA is 7 hours ahead. When you think it is Sunday already, it is actually still Sabbath "according to God", as you would formulate it.
 
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It seems you do not understand the issue. If God proclaimed the 7th day according to the Hebrew calendar/timezone, then the East coast of the USA is 7 hours ahead. When you think it is Sunday already, it is actually still Sabbath "according to God", as you would formulate it.
Where are time zones connected to the weekly Sabbath anywhere in Scripture. I asked you to prove this by Scripture and your words are not the same. If its not there I would suggest not adding it. Pro 30:5-6

The Sabbath is from evening to evening Lev 23:32 on the seventh day Exo 20:10 regardless where one is in the world.

God wants to bless all that comes to Him Isa 56:2 why the Sabbath was made for everyone Isa 56:6 made for man Mark 2:27- the Greek word here is mankind, the Hebrews means Adam because that's when the Sabbath and man was made at Creation according to God Exo 20:11 Gen 1:26 no one knows where Eden is so therefore no one knows that time zone because its irrelevant, nothing in the commandment that says we are to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy according to the time zone of ________. Celebrating our Sabbaths in different time zones is a probably a consequence of sin, but it doesn't mean we can't keep the Sabbath according to our own time-zone. Once Jesus return for His saints, the Sabbath will be kept in unity, from one Sabbath to another Isa 66:23 but those who oppose the Sabbath so much now, I do not think would be very happy in heaven and God would never force anyone to worship Him when they don't want to, so its why I believe His judgement is one of love. Just like obedience to what God says, the way He said it has to come by love. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3

We can find all kinds of creative ways of disobeying God, but its only hurting ourselves in the end.
 
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Where are time zones connected to the weekly Sabbath anywhere in Scripture.
Either you are unable or unwilling to understand the issue with your own claim that we must live according to the Hebrew calendar.

Show me a verse saying we cannot live according to the ISO with Sunday being the 7th day. The same thing.
 
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Either you are unable or unwilling to understand the issue with your own claim that we must live according to the Hebrew calendar.
I believe we follow the weekly cycle that God set up from Creation. I believe you are the one unwilling or unable to see this.
Show me a verse saying we cannot live according to the ISO with Sunday being the 7th day. The same thing.
What day of the week did Jesus rise? Please use Scripture to support your findings.

I will save you time,

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Now prove to me, by Scripture that the first day of the week, when Jesus rose, is not the same as the first day of the week from Creation as seen in Gen 1 and Gen 2:1-3

Most Christians believe that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, or what we call Sunday.

So if most Christians can find what day of the week is Sunday, its not any harder to find what day of the week is the Sabbath. God said it is the seventh day Exo 20:10, not the first day and why almost every ancient language Saturday means the Sabbath. The Sabbath was still according to the commandment after the death of Christ Luke 23:56

Its really not that hard, people make it hard for reasons one can't hide from God Ecc 12:13-14
 
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Again, the week is according to which timezone? The Hebrew one?


The first one according to the Hebrew week.
Again, where does it say anything about keeping the Sabbath according to any time zone. You are making up a whole doctrine that is not in our Bibles. God said the Sabbath is for everyone Isa 56:6 Mark 2:27 so therefore when He said this He would know people live on different time zones after the fall. Why in the Sabbath commandment it say nothing about time zones, this is a made up doctrine leading people to disobey one of God's commandments. Something Jesus warned us about by our teachings and in our practice Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19

I am not of the belief that God would give a commandment that all man will be Judged by Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 that couldn't be kept though His power.

I'm not going to continue debating this because you have never proven your assessment by Scripture that keeping the Sabbath is tied to any one specific time zone. If you can't prove your case by Scripture its a mute point for me.
 
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Again, where does it say anything about keeping the Sabbath according to any time zone. You are making up a whole doctrine that is not in our Bibles.
Again, where does it say anything about keeping the Sabbath according to any specific week? It just says the 7th day. Why do you dismiss the ISO week?
 
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Again, where does it say anything about keeping the Sabbath according to any specific week? It just says the 7th day. Why do you dismiss the ISO week?
It says a specific day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 written by the God of the Universe, nothing about a time zone. The seventh day is the Sabbath, hence why almost all ancient languages Saturday literally translates into the Sabbath because we can always keep what God commanded of us if we want to.

Like Adam and Eve tried to justify why they didn't have to obey God the way God said and it didn't work out so well for them, I do not believe its going to work out so well for us either. We can try to justify anything in our mind, but we cannot hide anything from God. Ecc 12:13-14
 
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Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week
When Jesus rose in Israel, what time and day was it in America? What time and day was it in Japan? In Australia? I hope you will get it, now.
 
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It says a specific day, the seventh day is the Sabbath written by the God of the Universe. The seventh day is the Sabbath, hence why almost all ancient languages Saturday literally translates into the Sabbath.
So, Sunday, the 7th day of the week, is the Sabbath in Europe?
 
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The Sabbath is from evening to evening or from Sundown to Sundown Lev 23:32 Friday evening to Sabbath evening and can be enjoyed regardless where one lives in the world...


You declare the true start of any Sabbath, is as the sun sets across the meridian of the globe at the end of the sixth day of every week.

In 2011 the weekend came sooner than usual for the tiny South Pacific island nation of Samoa. When the clock struck midnight Thursday, the country skipped over Friday and moved 24 hours ahead — straight into Saturday, Dec. 31. This change meant that what had been Saturday, the traditional Sabbath day, became the sixth day of the week and sunday the new seventh day.

The new seventh day, Sunday, became the new day of worship for most Seventh-day Adventists in Samoa.

Despite the change, one Seventh-day Adventist parish in Samatau village has decided to continue observing the Sabbath on Saturdays.


Jesus and the apostles all knew how and when to keep the Sabbath, most ancient languages like Hebrews and Greek Saturday literally translates into Sabbath.

If Tongan and Samoan Sabbathkeepers continue to keep the Sabbath on Saturday according to Jesus and the apostles, they are actually “six-day” observers.

Otherwise, if they maintain the 7-day count according to Genesis, they keep the Sabbath now on Sunday because they believe that this is now the true seventh day.
 
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When Jesus rose in Israel, what time and day was it in America? What time and day was it in Japan? In Australia? I hope you will get it, now.
It doesn't matter, the weekly Sabbath is not tied down to time zones, I guess that's why you keep requoting "you" and not Scripture.

What man does to God's weekly cycle doesn't change anything. Saturday will always be the Sabbath, it will always be the seventh day regardless what man changed. Nothing we can do can outsmart God, Surprised this lessoned hasn't been learned from our Bibles.

Take care.
 
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It doesn't matter, the weekly Sabbath is not tied down to time zones, I guess that's why you keep requoting "you" and not Scripture.

What man does to God's weekly cycle doesn't change anything. Saturday will always be the Sabbath, it will always be the seventh day regardless what man changed. Nothing we can do can outsmart God, Surprised this lessoned hasn't been learned from our Bibles.

Take care.
:swoon:No consistency in your claims.

You believe there is God's week, but not God's time. You believe you keep "the Genesis Sabbath", while you are possibly half a day before it.

It seems the only thing you care about is that the day is called Saturday, for some strange reason.
 
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Again, the week is according to which timezone? The Hebrew one?


The first one according to the Hebrew week.

We follow a biblical calendar which doesn’t mirror the one in Israel. Some refer to it as The Dead Sea Scrolls or Zadok and the dates align. Our Sabbath begins on Friday evening and ends the next day at sundown. It‘s more akin to a system than a calendar and there are other elements woven in that approach. You’d need some familiarity with the mazzaroth and astronomy too. You’ll have to study the tribes and biblical correlations for the months. I’d consider that the minimum to have something to go on. There are other things you can extract that add to the picture. But I don’t think it’s required to follow Christ. You’re not doing it wrong if you worship on Sunday.

~bella
 
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We follow a biblical calendar which doesn’t mirror the one in Israel. Some refer to it as The Dead Sea Scrolls or Zadok and the dates align. Our Sabbath begins on Friday evening and ends the next day at sundown. It‘s more akin to a system than a calendar and there are other elements woven in that approach. You’d need some familiarity with the mazzaroth and astronomy too...
Whom do you mean by "we"? I have never heard of such system.
 
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Whom do you mean by "we"? I have never heard of such system.

I’m referring to my household. If you look up the calendar you’ll see a biblical date with the Gregorian one as well.
 
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We follow a biblical calendar which doesn’t mirror the one in Israel. Some refer to it as The Dead Sea Scrolls or Zadok and the dates align. Our Sabbath begins on Friday evening and ends the next day at sundown. It‘s more akin to a system than a calendar and there are other elements woven in that approach. You’d need some familiarity with the mazzaroth and astronomy too. You’ll have to study the tribes and biblical correlations for the months. I’d consider that the minimum to have something to go on. There are other things you can extract that add to the picture. But I don’t think it’s required to follow Christ. You’re not doing it wrong if you worship on Sunday.

~bella

If God said the seventh day is the Sabbath, the day we are to keep holy Exo 20:8,10, and commanded us to work the other six day Exo 20:9 is disobeying God not doing wrong? Are you sure about that?

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

When we reject the knowledge God gives us like when is the Sabbath and how to keep it which is a law of God, its rebellion to God.

Isa 30:9 That this is a rebellious people,
Lying children,
Children who will not hear the law of the Lord;
10 Who say to the seers, “Do not see,”
And to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things;
Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits.

We should worship God 365 24/7 but Jesus ties worship to keeping the commandments
Jesus had some harsh words about when we lay aside the commandment of God, meaning its not for me, and choose to follow our own laws/traditions, He says this path leads one heart far from Him and this path to both those who teach and follow into a ditch v14 same as Mat 5:19

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Just like God commanded Exo 20:8-11) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men


God cared about a tree in the Garden, I am pretty sure He cares about the Holy day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 Eze 22:26
 
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I’m referring to my household. If you look up the calendar you’ll see a biblical date with the Gregorian one as well.
I do not believe we are supposed to keep any day. But this is at least something unusual, instead of the SDA views debated again and again.
 
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If God said the seventh day is the Sabbath, the day we are to keep holy Exo 20:8,10, and commanded us to work the other six day Exo 20:9 is disobeying God not doing wrong? Are you sure about that?

God knows the beginning and the end and there’s nothing that occurred since the garden that caught Him off guard. Splitting hairs over the sabbath while in the midst of serious issues in the nation and the world is grievous. There’s more important matters to attend to.

~bella
 
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