Pro-Palestinian supporters at Columbia University confront Jews ‘to push them out of camp’

[civilwarbuff]

Then the Israelis have been at war with the Gazan people for ages.

A blockade against another nation is considered an act of war, something that the gaza strip is not. But you already knew that Ess; you were just hoping others didn't.

 

[essentialsaltes]

A blockade against another nation is considered an act of war, something that the gaza strip is not. But you already knew that Ess; you were just hoping others didn't.

How much worse it must be then for a country to intentionally cut off food and aid to people in occupied territories. Something like the Warsaw ghetto.

 

[rjs330]

"Might makes right" is not a very good (or Christian) legal system.

Didn't say it did. But it IS the way of the world.

 

[rjs330]

Every offer to the Palestinians has included restrictions on their resources, airspace, borders, movements, and self defense. Below is a reply I gave to you in another thread last year.


The linked post in that response stated the following:

The Camp David and Taba summits provided the most generous offers to the Palestinians, yet there would be no recognition of statehood; it wouldn't allow the Palestinians to have a military, and they wouldn’t have control over their airspace. Israeli aircraft would be able to patrol and conduct surveillance of the Palestinian territories at any time for any reason without having to consult with Palestinian authorities. Palestinians also wouldn't have a guarantee of freedom of movement from north to south in the West Bank and between the West Bank and Gaza. Israel would also have control of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third-holiest site in Islam, which had once been under Palestinian control. Does that sound reasonable to you? If you were negotiating peace between the US and one of its adversaries and it proposed similar terms, would you accept them?

People have been trying to give Palistinians their state since at least the 30s. They are NEVER satisfied. They have constantly and forever launched attacks at Israel.

Camp David wasn't the only time they've been offered a state. And while the offer at Camp David wasnt the best, one can hardly blame Israel for some if it, since they had been under attack since their founding.

And we can see what has occurred since 2000. The Arabs should have accepted a plan a LONG time ago. But their murderous hatred for the Jews won't allow it. The Jews must be destroyed in order for them to be satisfied of their blood lust and evil.

Why on earth would Israel let them have a military when we've seen what they do without one. That would be catastrophically stupid. And Israel left the Gaza strip and they have still been under attack non-stop. The Palistinians HAVE a military and look what they did. Can you imagine the destruction if they had tanks and an airforce?

Unbelievable.

 

[rjs330]

There's something else going on here. Rjs is pushing a false narrative that even many Jews and Palstinians find unconvincing. I assume that he is doing it in good faith, but somebody is lying to him, probably David Barton. Then we have a Presidential edict defining any criticism of Netanyahu's government whatsoever as antisemitism and support for terrorism. That's just weird. What's all this game playing about?

Its not a false narrative and quite assuming who I'm listening to. The false narrative is from rhe Paleatinian supporters who are listening to murdering lying evil terrrorist propaganda.

Its nothing more than anti-semetic.

 

[BCP1928]

Its not a false narrative and quite assuming who I'm listening to. The false narrative is from rhe Paleatinian supporters who are listening to murdering lying evil terrrorist propaganda.

Its nothing more than anti-semetic.

So you actually believe it? Why? Why is it so important to you that Israel be blameless?

 

[civilwarbuff]

How much worse it must be then for a country to intentionally cut off food and aid to people in occupied territories. Something like the Warsaw ghetto.

Except the Warsaw Ghetto never rose up and massacred 1200 unarmed people and kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered others that they ILLEGALLY stole from Israel to cause the initiation of and justify the blockade. Don't forget about them (I know how easy that is for you to do).

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Except the Warsaw Ghetto never rose up and massacred 1200 unarmed people and kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered others that they ILLEGALLY stole from Israel to cause the initiation of and justify the blockade. Don't forget about them (I know how easy that is for you to do).

When you poke the bear, don't be surprised when you get the horns.

It's strange, I had Muslim friends in Michigan for years. After October 7th one of them approached my wife at the Islamic market and threatened her and said soon it will be repeated here. I used to feel bad for the plight of the Palestinians and I was critical of Israel. I still am critical of Israel but in the case of the Palestinians? Not so much anymore.

 

[rjs330]

So you actually believe it? Why? Why is it so important to you that Israel be blameless?

I never said they are blameless. When you are constantly under attack and you see your friends and neighbor, fellow countrymen get blown up, you have a tendency to fight back. Sometimes in the process you make mistakes in trying to prevent that.

Israel tried to do the right thing by leaving Gaza. Look what they got for it.

I sincerely believe that Israel would prefer to live in peace in the region, but the Palistinians won't allow it.

I dont know why you would believe a lying evil group of people who constantly threaten and attack their neighbors, and teach their children to do the same. Its quite strange.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Except the Warsaw Ghetto never rose up and massacred 1200 unarmed people and kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered others that they ILLEGALLY stole from Israel to cause the initiation of and justify the blockade. Don't forget about them (I know how easy that is for you to do).

Except the embargo of Gaza (an act of war) has been going on for decades. And obviously it affects the entire Gazan populace, not just Hamas and other terrorists who participated in the terror attack.

 

[rjs330]

Except the embargo of Gaza (an act of war) has been going on for decades. And obviously it affects the entire Gazan populace, not just Hamas and other terrorists who participated in the terror attack.

The embargo was a response to the Palestinians choosing Hamas. EGYPT shut down their borders and started the whole process. They demolished homes in order to create a buffer to keep the terrorists from smuggling more and weapons. Israel helps enforce this.
Aid gas been pouring into Gaza for decades and Hamas steals it. It has routinely taken food, medical supplies and construction supplies from the people and diverted those supplies to fund and support their efforts to ruin Israel. First example in 2016 a massive amount if tunnel and rocket building supplies were found at the blockade hidden among textiles a jewelery.

When Israel left Gaza it was expected that places would be built for housing. But none if that happened because Hamas would rather attack Israel and inflame the hatred among the Palistinians.

Israel opened the Erez crossing to allow goods into Gaza. And what did they get for it? Drones and weapons were found to to be smuggled into Gaza. Including by fishing boats. This forced them to close it again.

Acts of war have been committed against Israel forever and they have responded accordingly.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

When Egypt closes the border it should tell you something.

 

[JosephZ]

The embargo was a response to the Palestinians choosing Hamas.

Israel was imposing blockades that restricted imports and exports in and out of Gaza going back to the 1990s, long before Hamas took control.

Palestinians’ rights to livelihood, healthcare and education under the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, ratified by Israel in 1991, are infringed. This has been particularly acute since the early 1990s, when restrictions on movement were tightened, and as the accessibility of places of work or study became increasingly uncertain and unpredictable. Further restrictions on the provision of healthcare have been imposed with the erection of the barrier and broader movement controls.

Movement controls, and now the barrier, cause widespread difficulties for health services in the West Bank and Gaza.

Continued restrictions on movement inside the Occupied Palestinian Territories and on external borders would affect people’s ability to develop trade relations with the rest of the region, for example, with Egypt and Jordan. It is also unlikely that the previous level of demand for Palestinian migrant labour in Israel will be restored.

Given the increased poverty throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territories, the disruption of movement of both humanitarian staff and consignments of goods for humanitarian needs is alarming. But few governments, including the UK government, have intervened successfully with the Israeli authorities to ensure that humanitarian access is consistently possible.

The August 2002 mission report by the UN Secretary General’s special envoy Catherine Bertini identified closures and lack of freedom of movement as having a critical impact on Palestinian life. But in practice little has changed since then, thus throwing doubt on Israel’s suggested concern.

Failure to allow Palestinians their full democratic rights will damage any prospect for a peaceful solution and give a platform to extremists.

From "The end of the two-state solution?"
Published October 2004


"If they want to help Israel, they should transform Palestinian hostility into friendship, which is possible if the Palestinians are given their dignity, freedom and rights."

 

[BCP1928]

The embargo was a response to the Palestinians choosing Hamas. EGYPT shut down their borders and started the whole process. They demolished homes in order to create a buffer to keep the terrorists from smuggling more and weapons. Israel helps enforce this.
Aid gas been pouring into Gaza for decades and Hamas steals it. It has routinely taken food, medical supplies and construction supplies from the people and diverted those supplies to fund and support their efforts to ruin Israel. First example in 2016 a massive amount if tunnel and rocket building supplies were found at the blockade hidden among textiles a jewelery.

When Israel left Gaza it was expected that places would be built for housing. But none if that happened because Hamas would rather attack Israel and inflame the hatred among the Palistinians.

Israel opened the Erez crossing to allow goods into Gaza. And what did they get for it? Drones and weapons were found to to be smuggled into Gaza. Including by fishing boats. This forced them to close it again.

Acts of war have been committed against Israel forever and they have responded accordingly.

Forever? There was no Israel before 1947.

 

[BCP1928]

When you poke the bear, don't be surprised when you get the horns.

It's strange, I had Muslim friends in Michigan for years. After October 7th one of them approached my wife at the Islamic market and threatened her and said soon it will be repeated here. I used to feel bad for the plight of the Palestinians and I was critical of Israel. I still am critical of Israel but in the case of the Palestinians? Not so much anymore.

That's too bad. My wife (who is openly Jewish) and I were in Tunisia in December and had no trouble at all. We spoke about the situation with both Muslims and Jews who lived there quite peaceably. They are well aware of the trouble caused by conservative Christians in the US trying to make a religious war out of it.

 

[rjs330]

Israel was imposing blockades that restricted imports and exports in and out of Gaza going back to the 1990s, long before Hamas took control.

Palestinians’ rights to livelihood, healthcare and education under the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, ratified by Israel in 1991, are infringed. This has been particularly acute since the early 1990s, when restrictions on movement were tightened, and as the accessibility of places of work or study became increasingly uncertain and unpredictable. Further restrictions on the provision of healthcare have been imposed with the erection of the barrier and broader movement controls.

Movement controls, and now the barrier, cause widespread difficulties for health services in the West Bank and Gaza.

Continued restrictions on movement inside the Occupied Palestinian Territories and on external borders would affect people’s ability to develop trade relations with the rest of the region, for example, with Egypt and Jordan. It is also unlikely that the previous level of demand for Palestinian migrant labour in Israel will be restored.

Given the increased poverty throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territories, the disruption of movement of both humanitarian staff and consignments of goods for humanitarian needs is alarming. But few governments, including the UK government, have intervened successfully with the Israeli authorities to ensure that humanitarian access is consistently possible.

The August 2002 mission report by the UN Secretary General’s special envoy Catherine Bertini identified closures and lack of freedom of movement as having a critical impact on Palestinian life. But in practice little has changed since then, thus throwing doubt on Israel’s suggested concern.

Failure to allow Palestinians their full democratic rights will damage any prospect for a peaceful solution and give a platform to extremists.

From "The end of the two-state solution?"
Published October 2004


"If they want to help Israel, they should transform Palestinian hostility into friendship, which is possible if the Palestinians are given their dignity, freedom and rights."

That happened because of the bombings in Israel. Once again it was rhe Palestinians evil that had been rhe cause of their own suffering. Tey have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[JosephZ]

That happened because of the bombings in Israel. Once again it was rhe Palestinians evil that had been rhe cause of their own suffering. Tey have no one to blame but themselves.

Earlier in the thread you said the following:

When you are constantly under attack and you see your friends and neighbor, fellow countrymen get blown up, you have a tendency to fight back.

Wouldn't this same principle apply to Palestinians?

 

[rjs330]

Forever? There was no Israel before 1947.

Yes forever since Israel has been a nation.

 

[rjs330]

Earlier in the thread you said the following:



Wouldn't this same principle apply to Palestinians?

It didn't happen to them. It was started by them. What happened to them was a direct result of their own actions.

 

[rjs330]

And they were at it again. At least this time Columbia responded quickly.

https://apnews.com/article/columbia-protests-students-suspended-7215bd15abc3edd303b3224f9edbcfd2

At least 2 injured in Columbia University protest, NYPD takes dozens into custody

NYPD officers took dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators into custody at Columbia University's Butler Library on Wednesday evening.

www.cbsnews.com