A Liberal view or a Conservative view ?

[ThatRobGuy]

Russia hasn't earned the right to sit at the table. It needs to have deep and profound institutional reforms, and stop meddling in the affairs of its neighbors.

Even if they stopped doing all of those things, there'd still be no practical reason for them to be there.

They're a big enough country, spread out over a large enough landmass, that certain forms of shared services and consolidation wouldn't make sense.

If you look at the size of the EU territory, it's half the size of the US.

For many of those countries, they're small enough, that it makes sense to consolidate and share certain things/services.

Imagine, if each of the 50 US states was 100% sovereign, each had their own 100% independent standards for road construction, food products, postal services, air traffic control, currency, etc... certain logistics would be a challenge. The EU member states (some of which are small enough, that you an be in 3-4 different countries on a 2 hour car ride) "teaming up" was a concerted effort to streamline and address a few of those challenges.

Even if Russia was a model international citizen, it still wouldn't make a ton of sense for them to be a member.

 

[Love365]

For the past 100 years
every movie out of Hollywood,
is full of anti Russian propaganda.

And racism against Slavic people.

 

[7thKeeper]

Telepathy by geography, that’s a new one.

What? Your geography book doesn't speak to you? Mine does. I have no reason to suspect that the things I consume before said communication have any relevance to this though.

 

[7thKeeper]

For the past 100 years
every movie out of Hollywood,
is full of anti Russian propaganda.

And racism against Slavic people.

Off topic, don't start derailing your own thread.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Off topic, don't start derailing your own thread.

First time in a "Love" thread?

 

[7thKeeper]

First time in a "Love" thread?

Oh not at all. Just thought to point it out this time. I expect his response to be something about Russia and Eurovision

 

[Hans Blaster]

Oh not at all. Just thought to point it out this time. I expect his response to be something about Russia and Eurovision

after the lack of slavic disney princesses, it really doesn't get much weirder from them unless they up their game.

 

[MehGuy]

Maybe some things do not neatly fall into a conservative, liberal lens? People can have the same surface level opinions for very different intellectual reasons.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

after the lack of slavic disney princesses, it really doesn't get much weirder from them unless they up their game.

You missed the Latin speaking female Ukrainian Catholic warrior princess Peacekeeping Priests?

 

[Hans Blaster]

You missed the Latin speaking female Ukrainian Catholic warrior princess Peacekeeping Priests?

I'm afraid that Ukrainians and Catholics might both fail to qualify for "Love"s Disney ethnic diversity needs. It's odd how it is so often Russia that has been slighted.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

For the past 100 years
every movie out of Hollywood,
is full of anti Russian propaganda.

And racism against Slavic people.

I am curious to know your perspective on why Russia should be considered for inclusion in the European Union or why Western nations should seek to improve their relationship with Russia.

 

[Love365]

I am curious to know your perspective on why Russia should be considered for inclusion in the European Union or why Western nations should seek to improve their relationship with Russia.

God loves all souls.

The world has two main problems.

1. Fear of the Russian language and alphabet.

2. Fear of the Arabic language and alphabet.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Clearly, because the world has seen there's nothing to fear from the incompetent Russian Army or their North Korean cannon fodder.

 

[durangodawood]

God loves all souls.

The world has two main problems.

1. Fear of the Russian language and alphabet.

2. Fear of the Arabic language and alphabet.

Not the exact problems I would put at top of the list of the worlds troubles.

Interesting tho.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Not the exact problems I would put at top of the list of the worlds troubles.

Interesting tho.

The Cyrillic letter for "D" gives me nightmares.

 

[Larniavc]

Is this a Liberal view or a Conservative view ?

Russia and Ukraine should have seats in European Parliament.

It’s a contradictory view. Ukrainians yes, Orcs no.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

It’s a contradictory view. Ukrainians yes, Orcs no.

You shouldn't insult Orcs by equating them with Russians.

 

[Larniavc]

There was talk at one time for Russia to join NATO.

In the very unlikely event that happened Putin’s Russia would still be an untrustworthy rogue nation.

Completely unreliable and at odds with civilised western democracies.

 

[Larniavc]

Could they both have one observer seat
in European Parliament?

Ukraine yes. Russia no. Russia cannot be trusted or safely bargained with. They lie, break treaties and take advantage of any military weakness they can while maintaining terrible living conditions for non metropolitan citizens.

 

[Larniavc]

Belarus, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, and some other countries

would need to be banned from joining NATO

For Russia to think about that

Why?