Are Folks Making America Hate Again?

[trophy33]

I agree with Trump's willingness to raise taxes on high-income earners on all that you mention. It's kinda surprising, but he listens to his constituents.

Do you mean this post?


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The problem with even a “TINY” tax increase for the RICH, which I and all others would graciously accept in order to help the lower and middle income workers, is that the Radical Left Democrat Lunatics would go around screaming,“Read my lips,” the fabled Quote by George Bush the Elder that is said to have cost him the Election. NO, Ross Perot cost him the Election! In any event, Republicans should probably not do it, but I’m OK if they do!!!

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

The problem with even a “TINY” tax increase for the RICH, which I and all others would graciously accept in order to help the lower and middle income workers, is that the Radical Left Democrat Lunatics would go around screaming,“Read my lips,” the fabled Quote by George Bush the Elder that is...

truthsocial.com

I have no idea what he was trying to say.

 

[bèlla]

I am all for cutting back on the write-offs offs which I used to enjoy.

I'm all for a low corporate tax, but again, with not so many loopholes. I agree about crypto (except for the little people).

I agree with Trump's willingness to raise taxes on high-income earners on all that you mention. It's kinda surprising, but he listens to his constituents.

What incentive does he have to do that? He’s surrounded by people like himself and the majority have a personal relationship with him. We get promises along these lines from every candidate while the data shows the wealth gap is increasing. Which suggests the changes aren’t making a dent or the gains are so significant elsewhere they’re moot.

~bella

 

[Laodicean60]

Do you mean this post?

I don't pay too much attention to the drumbeats on Truth Social, I'm talking about this.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-urged-speaker-johnson-raise-top-tax-rate-source-says-2025-05-08/

 

[trophy33]

I don't pay too much attention to the drumbeats on Truth Social, I'm talking about this.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-urged-speaker-johnson-raise-top-tax-rate-source-says-2025-05-08/

"sources say"

Trump has been boasting that he evades taxes and calls it being smart and brilliant. I do not know, this man is so inconsistent.

 

[Laodicean60]

"sources say"

Did this come from your delusion. How many left-wing media outlets use anonymous sources or he said without naming a source? Anything to justify your dislike and keep the drumbeat going in tribalism.

Maybe this article is better

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump privately pressed House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., during a phone call Wednesday to add two additional proposals to the massive package for his agenda: one to raise the tax rate on the highest earners and the other to close the so-called carried interest loophole, according to a Republican leadership source, as well as two other GOP sources familiar with the call.

Trump urges Speaker Mike Johnson to raise taxes on the wealthy, adding new wrinkle to massive GOP bill

Trump privately pressed Johnson to increase the tax rate on the highest earners and close the so-called carried interest loophole.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[trophy33]

Did this come from your delusion. How many left-wing media outlets use anonymous sources or he said without naming a source? Anything to justify your dislike and keep the drumbeat going in tribalism.

How many? And what tribalism? And why should I prefer "sources say" over Trump own posts?

 

[Laodicean60]

How many?

"Democrats are somewhat more likely than Republicans to express support for journalists’ use of anonymous sources, though majorities of both parties think they are acceptable, at least in moderation. Roughly nine-in-ten Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents (92%) say that it is acceptable for journalists to use anonymous sources, as do about seven-in-ten Republicans and Republican leaners (71%). But like Americans overall, most in each party say anonymous sources should be used only in special cases."

Most Americans see a place for anonymous sources in news stories, but not all the time

A majority (82%) say there are times when it is acceptable for journalists to use anonymous sources, with 67% saying it is acceptable only in special cases.

www.pewresearch.org

Use of anonymous sources uncommon in early Biden coverage, least likely in outlets with right-leaning audiences

11% of stories about Joe Biden’s early days as president cited an anonymous or unnamed source, and fewer than 1% relied solely on such sources.

www.pewresearch.org

And why should I prefer "sources say" over Trump own posts?

Isn't he a liar? lol or that's what I remember everyone saying last year, now all of a sudden you believe him. I don't get it. Yes, his "TINY," but aren't you curious to know how much (I think the same as democrats wanted) and with a little more information besides a rant? I don't like reading his social media posts because of his language.

 

[trophy33]

"Democrats are somewhat more likely than Republicans to express support for journalists’ use of anonymous sources, though majorities of both parties think they are acceptable

Therefore? I am neither a Democrat, nor a Republican. We do not even have such political parties here. Left-wing media is not necessarily owned by some specific left-wing party and the journalist do not have to be the members of that party either.

Isn't he a liar? lol or that's what I remember everyone saying last year, now all of a sudden you believe him. I don't get it. Yes, his "TINY," but aren't you curious to know how much (I think the same as democrats wanted) and with a little more information besides a rant? I don't like reading his social media posts because of his language.

The best source for what Trump says is Trump's own words.

 

[Laodicean60]

Therefore? I am neither a Democrat, nor a Republican. We do not even have such political parties here.

OOPs, you are right!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Crime exists. I agree.

Law and order good. Crime bad. I agree.

The point of this thread was to discuss extreme anger and hate in the conservative movement, which I see as a different but very serious problem.

The kind of anger and hate we saw January 6th, 2021 that was pardoned?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Trump has been boasting that he evades taxes and calls it being smart and brilliant. I do not know, this man is so inconsistent.

Ultimately, there is one thing that motivates Donald Trump's decisions: whatever it is that Donald Trump currently wants. For instance, if he wants tariffs, we get tariffs. If he wants to back off on tariffs, he backs off. There is no reason to his decisions.

There is no way to read his mind and know what he will wish to do on taxes.

As his mind deteriorates--possibly by dementia--be prepared for wild swings in policy without apparent reason.

Please keep your seatbelt fastened for the remainder of this flight.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I have no idea what he was trying to say.

You need to download the new patch for Republican Hive Mind 8.2. It on the app store. Keeps the modern conservative mind running as flawless as Windows ME/2000.

 

[MrMoe]

What country will accept them and welcome them with open arms? Most of them fled their home countries for their lives.

Brazil
China
Panama
Jamaica
India
Costa Rica
Colombia
Honduras
Venezuela and others.

Got a source for your claim that most illegal immigrants fled their home countries for their lives?

 

[trophy33]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Today, I signed an Executive Order to launch the first-ever self-deportation program. Illegal aliens who stay in America face punishments, including—sudden deportation, in a place and manner solely of our discretion. TO ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS: BOOK YOUR FREE FLIGHT RIGHT NOW!

Truth Social

Truth Social is America's "Big Tent" social media platform that encourages an open, free, and honest global conversation without discriminating on the basis of political ideology.

truthsocial.com

 

[MrMoe]

Most USA governments prior to Trump have been working with other countries to try and help stablise them and root out corruption and threats. Remember when Joe Biden as VP was sent to Ukraine to remove Chutkin who was a corrupt prosecutor who was refusing to prosecute certain wealthy elites. That was a official duty/obligation that USA put onto Biden.

Regarding USA/Mexico here is a decent article.

Cartels, Corruption, and Fentanyl: How Can US-Mexico Cooperation Address Shared Security Concerns? - Modern War Institute

For decades, US-Mexico law enforcement and counternarcotics cooperation has been fraught with difficulties stemming from a history of strained relations. These challenges date back to the 1980s, most notably marked by the torture and murder of US Drug Enforcement Administration agent Enrique...

mwi.westpoint.edu

Good. America needs to keep that up.

I think it is a difficult challenge and both countries need to work towards closer relations to help Mexico. A problem I see is that under Trump, USA is becoming much more corrupt that it was previously. Trump's own AG shows no interest in prosecuting any Republicans. The SCOTUS have deemed the President immune from the law, court cases against Trump were dissolved merely because he became president again. In the case where he was found guilty of 34 crimes, no punishment was given because he was now president/president elect.

Also, Trump's USA first policy, has USA no longer providing USAID, and his aggressive tariffs approach has USA in adversarial role with the rest of the world (except for Russia).

Trump's approach to dealing with things is to project "strength" and he does this by extorting and bullying other nations rather than respecting them and working with them collaboratively.

Most of this is irrelevant and just more orange man bad whinging. And your claim that “The SCOTUS have deemed the President immune from the law” is very misleading.

If you compare USA to other developed first world Western nations then USA is a pretty poor country to live in. Low freedoms, lots of racism and gun violence etc.
But compared to countries like Mexico etc where the government is corrupt and gangs rule the roost, USA could be considered safe, especially if people are fleeing organisations that aren't established in USA.

Trump has been called corrupt and there are gangs in America too.

You can’t assume all facets of Mexico’s government is equally as corrupt or corrupt at all. And there’s no way gangs can rule an entire country. Just like America, there are safer parts than others.

Better to fix the country of origin and help the many rather than the few.

Who has said USA is full of white supremacists and Nazis? I think perhaps you are being massively hyperbolic about what people have said to you.

Jasmine Crockett said on CNN earlier this year: ”We right now have a white supremacist that is sitting in the White House. He is backed up by other white supremacists. And if you really want to know who the criminals are in this country, you can Google it. You don’t have to trust me. But the people that commit 80% of the most violent crimes in this country are white supremacists.”

1,21,467 violent crimes occurred in the United States in 2023.

U.S.: reported violent crime 2023| Statista

In 2023, an estimated 1,21,467 violent crimes occurred in the United States.

www.statista.com

That’s a lot of white supremacists.

That's true. Also a misogynist, a rapist, and a convicted felon who doesn't think he should uphold the constitution.

So why do want illegal immigrants to stay in a country with such a corrupt leader?

 

[MrMoe]

You want to help the global South "in other ways." Which other ways do you want America to help the global South?

Somehow, you suggest that I am cold-blooded for not going along with this top-secret "other way to help."

Please tell me what this secret plan of yours does. Who knows? It could be that I support that plan also. I can't tell you if I support your "other way" unless you tell me what it is.

How can you call me cold-blooded for not supporting your plan when you won't tell me what the plan is?

Anyway, I can think of one plan that I recommend for helping the global South — by giving aid through organizations like USAID. But Trump has shut down much of USAID. Do you agree with me that USAID is one way we can help the global South, and that it was wrong for Trump to shut it down?

America and other countries can help in other ways. You’re asking me like is if I work in government.

I called you cold-blooded because you seemed more concerned with helping the few that come to America rather than help the many struggling in their own country. Fix the problems at the source and America won’t have to deal with all this illegal immigration from Mexico.

Why stop in 2020? Go back to 2007. At that time, there were even more undocumented immigrants in America than there are now.

The past is the past. We need to decide what to do now.

And why there were even more undocumented immigrants in America than there are now? Biden, of course.

There are problems all over the world.

In general, the United States has been a leader in racial and gender equality.

But there are many people — including our current President — who want to take us backward.

In spite of that, there is much good in America, and many of us love it and want to make it better.



There are people here who hate, and people here who love. I am hoping and working to see that love wins.

So what you’re saying is that America is one of the greatest countries in the world? Republicans and conservatives have been saying this for years.

 

[MrMoe]

They're not so much powerful as informative as to your views. I mean, this is what we do on the forum. Put forward our views on various topics.

That’s even more impressive since I never shared my views, only the views of other Christians.

 

[7thKeeper]

Another question. On June 4, 2024, Biden passed an executive order to shut down the border if illegal crossings reached an average of 2,500 migrants a day in a given week. Why not do this years earlier, instead of at the eleventh hour?

That was part of the bi-partisan bill that was being done, until Trump killed it by telling Republicans not to pass it. Why do something with EO when there's actual legislation being worked out to do it? The EO came after. This timeline of events shouldn't be hard to see.

 

[7thKeeper]

Therefore? I am neither a Democrat, nor a Republican. We do not even have such political parties here. Left-wing media is not necessarily owned by some specific left-wing party and the journalist do not have to be the members of that party either.

That's the "US defaultism" that a lot of Americans unfortunately suffer from, even on the internet.

 

[Bradskii]

That’s even more impressive since I never shared my views, only the views of other Christians.

So whenever you post anything, we should always consider that the views expressed in that post are those of others. And not yours. So if I ask you if you think that women should, generally speaking, be subservient to their husbands in the home and, generally speaking, stay at home and...do whatever you think women should be doing at home, then any answer that you give won't actually be your opinion. It'll be 'the views of other Christians'.