Archdiocese of Detroit: Parishes must cease Traditional Latin Mass celebrations by July 1

[Michie]

Archbishop Edward Weisenburger of Detroit announced Wednesday that parish churches in the archdiocese that offer the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) will be unable to do so after July 1, citing the Vatican’s 2023 clarification that diocesan bishops do not possess the authority to allow the TLM to be celebrated in an existing parish church.

A prominent Detroit shrine will still be able to offer the TLM, however, and Weisenburger said he intends to identify at least four non-parish locations in the archdiocese where the TLM can be celebrated.

In an April 16 announcement, the archdiocese said Weisenburger, who was appointed in February and newly installed as archbishop last month, recently told his priests that he is unable to renew the prior permissions given to parish churches to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass, and thus those permissions will expire on July 1.

At issue is Pope Francis’ consequential apostolic letter Traditionis Custodes, issued in July 2021. Among other provisions, the letter directed bishops to designate one or more locations in which priests can celebrate the TLM but specified that those locations could not be within an existing parish church.

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Archdiocese of Detroit: Parishes must cease TLM celebrations by July 1

Archbishop Edward Weisenburger of Detroit announced Wednesday that parish churches in the archdiocese that offer the Traditional Latin Mass will be unable to do so after July 1.

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[RileyG]

Lord have mercy! That’s not right!

 

[chevyontheriver]

Archbishop Edward Weisenburger of Detroit announced Wednesday that parish churches in the archdiocese that offer the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) will be unable to do so after July 1, citing the Vatican’s 2023 clarification that diocesan bishops do not possess the authority to allow the TLM to be celebrated in an existing parish church.

A prominent Detroit shrine will still be able to offer the TLM, however, and Weisenburger said he intends to identify at least four non-parish locations in the archdiocese where the TLM can be celebrated.

In an April 16 announcement, the archdiocese said Weisenburger, who was appointed in February and newly installed as archbishop last month, recently told his priests that he is unable to renew the prior permissions given to parish churches to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass, and thus those permissions will expire on July 1.

At issue is Pope Francis’ consequential apostolic letter Traditionis Custodes, issued in July 2021. Among other provisions, the letter directed bishops to designate one or more locations in which priests can celebrate the TLM but specified that those locations could not be within an existing parish church.

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Archdiocese of Detroit: Parishes must cease TLM celebrations by July 1

Archbishop Edward Weisenburger of Detroit announced Wednesday that parish churches in the archdiocese that offer the Traditional Latin Mass will be unable to do so after July 1.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Gotta love pope Francis and the bishops he appointed. They are clear on at least one thing, or maybe only one thing, that the TLM is bad and needs to be regulated to death.

 

[Michie]

Gotta love pope Francis and the bishops he appointed. They are clear on at least one thing, or maybe only one thing, that the TLM is bad and needs to be regulated to death.

I don’t get it. I was always told there is room for both forms of Mass.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Having the TLM in a parish upsets parish life.

 

[Michie]

Having the TLM in a parish upsets parish life.

I don’t understand how. We have all sorts of different events and services at my parish. Why would offering the TLM be any different?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I don’t get it. I was always told there is room for both forms of Mass.

The form that the bishops at Vatican II used every day has become the pariah. Shut down entirely for a while by Paul VI, then cautiously allowed by JP II, then freely allowed by Benedict XVI, and now being suppressed as much as they dare to. If it was good enough for the bishops at Vatican II why is it so evil now? Why did Trent allow rites older than 200 years to continue but now we need to gut a rite that is over a thousand years old? Who is afraid of Virginia Wolff?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I don’t understand how. We have all sort of different events and services at my parish. Why would offering the TLM be any different?

Well there is that survey pope Francis had done about how the TLM disrupts parish life. The survey which is as secret as the Vatican-China deal.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I don’t understand how. We have all sorts of different events and services at my parish. Why would offering the TLM be any different?

The TLM upsets parish life because in parishes like my former parish, it's a minority of parishioners who requested it, but
it's attended by a majority of people who come from outside of the parish and even the dioceses. The parishioners trying
to attend their scheduled Mass have to deal with a parking lot full of TLM attendees and other issues. This was a problem
throughout the US as the Bishops complained to the Vatican about the disruption. Keep in mind that the Novus Ordo is
the ordinary, and the TLM is the extraordinary. This means that presidence is given to the ordinary format, the NO and not
the extraordinary.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The TLM upsets parish life because in parishes like my former parish, it's a minority of parishioners who requested it, but
it's attended by a majority of people who come from outside of the parish and even the dioceses. The parishioners trying
to attend their scheduled Mass have to deal with a parking lot full of TLM attendees and other issues. This was a problem
throughout the US as the Bishops complained to the Vatican about the disruption. Keep in mind that the Novus Ordo is
the ordinary, and the TLM is the extraordinary. This means that presidence is given to the ordinary format, the NO and not
the extraordinary.

It's a problem because the parking lot is full for the TLM?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It's a problem because the parking lot is full for the TLM?

The parking lot was full and no parking spaces available for the parishioners at the scheduled Masses.
This was because of the TLM, which attracted the majority of people from outside the parish and dioceses.

When the celebrant was arrested and defrocked, the pastor ended the TLM and they no longer have it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The parking lot was full and no parking spaces available for the parishioners at the scheduled Masses.
This was because of the TLM, which attracted the majority of people from outside the parish and dioceses.

When the celebrant was arrested and defrocked, the pastor ended the TLM and they no longer have it.

The parking lot was full. I can't get over that 'reason'. So you had the priest arrested and defrocked. Wow! The parking lot was full. Has your parking lot returned to being more empty now?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The parking lot was full. I can't get over that 'reason'. So you had the priest arrested and defrocked. Wow! The parking lot was full. Has your parking lot returned to being more empty now?

No, I didn't have the priest arrested and defrocked, he did that to himself, and it had nothing to do with the TLM.

The parking spaces are for parishioners attending the scheduled Masses, not for a special extraordinary Mass
which is attended by the majority of people who are not of that parish. Also, the parish hall was below and served
for CCD and other parish functions. However, even after the pastor changed the schedule for the TLM to 1PM in
the afternoon on Sundays, parish functions in the hall had to work around the TLM. It was a disruption for
the parish. The best thing that happened according to the parishioners I spoke with was when the TLM ended.

 

[RileyG]

I don’t understand how. We have all sorts of different events and services at my parish. Why would offering the TLM be any different?

I agree.

 

[chevyontheriver]

No, I didn't have the priest arrested and defrocked, he did that to himself, and it had nothing to do with the TLM.

The parking spaces are for parishioners attending the scheduled Masses, not for a special extraordinary Mass
which is attended by the majority of people who are not of that parish. Also, the parish hall was below and served
for CCD and other parish functions. However, even after the pastor changed the schedule for the TLM to 1PM in
the afternoon on Sundays, parish functions in the hall had to work around the TLM. It was a disruption for
the parish. The best thing that happened according to the parishioners I spoke with was when the TLM ended.

You had a scheduling problem, and you think it was a TLM problem. Those attending the TLM WERE attending a 'scheduled mass'. It WAS 'on the schedule'. But you're happy now. That's all that matters. All those other nasty people went away.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You had a scheduling problem, and you think it was a TLM problem. Those attending the TLM WERE attending a 'scheduled mass'. It WAS 'on the schedule'. But you're happy now. That's all that matters. All those other nasty people went away.

Not me, it was my former parish. The TLM was not a scheduled Mass for the parish, but a TLM Mass which then
Pope Benedict mandated the Bishops to provide if people requested it. So, five people of the parish requested
it and it drew people from all over the state. They got a good crowd, but it was not members of the parish and
was upsetting toward parish life.

Anyway, you don't have the experience at that parish, I did as I was still friends with members of that parish.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

The parking lot was full. I can't get over that 'reason'. So you had the priest arrested and defrocked. Wow! The parking lot was full. Has your parking lot returned to being more empty now?

Yeah, ok.

Chevy, I'm responding to your post but it's about everyone on this thread basically presenting the same position you are (which as about four other people)

You know who you are....

Anyway:

What Jim here is too nice to say and what you are being (imho) intentionally obtuse about is this: It's not the cars, or the events, or the schedule,

It's about the entitled, uppity, demanding, generally "holier than YOU, you NO fatherless sons" PEOPLE, in the cars, coming to your parish, eating your donuts, insulting your non-Catholic neighbors (who these parishes have to actually, you know, live with), thinking that they should have automatic rights to be on the church board, have access to the parish money and just generally acting like you don't matter -

- BECAUSE -

(I'm sorry to have to say this)

The TLM has been and is being used as a wedge between Catholics or various viewpoints

(...and I should get a medal for phasing this in a way that biases neither side).

This was the fear of Paul, JP II and Francis - all of whom took steps to try to interdict this.

Benny, of course, LOVED him some wedge (but I won't annoy anyone further on the point)

That's the problem with the TLM as it is practiced by the laity now (well, since the late '60s actually)

Nothing wrong with the TLM per se, just the way the TLM is used.

Thems the facts, Jack.

Don't like 'em?

Well, fortunately, we' live (and post) in a facts free environment. So ignore them if you want.

But don't come in here are beat around the bush like I'm just fell off the cabbage truck.

I mean, I just did,

But most of that is alcohol related.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It's about the entitled, uppity, demanding, generally "holier than YOU, you NO fatherless sons" PEOPLE, in the cars, coming to your parish, eating your donuts, insulting your non-Catholic neighbors (who these parishes have to actually, you know, live with), thinking that they should have automatic rights to be on the church board, have access to the parish money and just generally acting like you don't matter -

That might be true in some parts of the cosmos. Not in my part. I am not an obligate TLM person. I'm much more omnivorous when it comes to liturgy. NO, Ordinariate, Byzantine, TLM, Typica, Liturgy of the Hours, high mass, low mass. And I have yet to see a TLM person in the flesh show any snark. It's a on line only phenomenon IMO and the snark goes both ways.

 

[JSRG]

Gotta love pope Francis and the bishops he appointed. They are clear on at least one thing, or maybe only one thing, that the TLM is bad and needs to be regulated to death.

Edward Weisenburger was made a bishop under Benedict XVI, not Francis.

Weisenburger was appointed to this specific diocese by Francis (he was previously Bishop of Tucson, and before that Bishop of Salina), but his first appointment as Bishop was by Benedict in 2012.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Not me, it was my former parish. The TLM was not a scheduled Mass for the parish, but a TLM Mass which then
Pope Benedict mandated the Bishops to provide if people requested it. So, five people of the parish requested
it and it drew people from all over the state. They got a good crowd, but it was not members of the parish and
was upsetting toward parish life.

Anyway, you don't have the experience at that parish, I did as I was still friends with members of that parish.

If it wasn’t a ‘scheduled mass’ how did they know when to arrive at the mass? Was it a ‘flash mass’ where they just all showed up in response to some spontaneous text message? If indeed it was scheduled, which it had to be if it wasn’t a spontaneous flash mass, your pastor imprudently scheduled it. And you blame the TLM. And those five parishioners. That’s OK. Everybody needs somebody to blame I guess.