Trump admin. concedes Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done' [ETA: oh but it can!]

[DaisyDay]

So I take it that is a no on returning to reality? OK. You have fun in your fantasy world where the most powerful country the world have ever known is incapable of returning a person it illegally sent to a concentration camp.

We not just sent him without due process, against multiple judicial orders prohibiting it, to the concentration camp, but we are PAYING El Salvador $6M for one year for 3,000 mostly Venezuelans and negotiation a contract for "home-growns".

 

[DaisyDay]

Foreign citizens do not have a right to be in the united states.

Ok, protected status does confer some right.

They can be deported for any reason, or no reason at all.

No, the US still has laws on the books and due process (this week).

 

[essentialsaltes]

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I see. So when I say "Trump is not trying to bring this individual back" and you agree you think that is a reasonable effort? No effort is reasonable?

I think he is allowing the ball to be in El Salvador's court to so he blame them for not getting the wife beater back. It also appears that Bukele is fine with that.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Ok, protected status does confer some right.

No, the US still has laws on the books and due process (this week).

I think being a member of a terrorist organization qualifies for deportation.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

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[Belk]

I think he is allowing the ball to be in El Salvador's court to so he blame them for not getting the wife beater back. It also appears that Bukele is fine with that.

Do you believe this a reasonable response to the supreme courts ruling?

 

[NxNW]

Foreign citizens do not have a right to be in the united states. They can be deported for any reason, or no reason at all.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[NxNW]

Foreign citizens do not have a right to be in the united states. They can be deported for any reason, or no reason at all.

Everyone is entitled to dues process, per the Constitution.

 

[DaisyDay]

I think Trump is making a reasonable effort considering the circumstances.

So far, the judiciary disagrees that he has made any effort whatsoever, neglecting even to ask Bukele for his return and joking that he wants to send the "home-growns" to El Salvador as well.

 

[DaisyDay]

I think being a member of a terrorist organization qualifies for deportation.

Yes! That would - however, simply being accused is not - or has not until now - been grounds for deportation. Not only has it not been proven that he has ever been a gang member, several judges have ruled that the likelihood of his being in danger from said gangs is credible. Give him his hearing, his due process. Then deport him (not to El Salvador) or not - but do it according to actual laws.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Do you believe this a reasonable response to the supreme courts ruling?

Considering the Supreme Court does not have the authority to dictate foreign policies or affairs, Trump is doing exactly what the Supreme Court ordered.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Yes! That would - however, simply being accused is not - or has not until now - been grounds for deportation. Not only has it not been proven that he has ever been a gang member, several judges have ruled that the likelihood of his being in danger from said gangs is credible. Give him his hearing, his due process. Then deport him (not to El Salvador) or not - but do it according to actual laws.

His gang membership has been proven based on the preponderance of evidence in a court of law. Now, that gang has been declared to be a terrorist organization. Furthermore, the supreme court ruled in favor of Trump using the Alien Enemies Act. So Garcia's deportation was not illegal.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's a good thing the White House doesn't post here.

 

[loveofourlord]

His gang membership has been proven based on the preponderance of evidence in a court of law. Now, that gang has been declared to be a terrorist organization. Furthermore, the supreme court ruled in favor of Trump using the Alien Enemies Act. So Garcia's deportation was not illegal.

you mean by the guy has since been let go for disciplinary issues? Hmmmm yeah really trustworthy.

 

[DaisyDay]

His gang membership has been proven based on the preponderance of evidence in a court of law.

No, it repeatedly has not. One informant placed him in a Long Island gang, but as he has never lived in NY, that was deemed not credible.

Now, that gang has been declared to be a terrorist organization.

He is not part of the gang and has not been adjudicated of being so.

Furthermore, the supreme court ruled in favor of Trump using the Alien Enemies Act. So Garcia's deportation was not illegal.

While the Supreme Court did rule that the Alien Enemies Act can be used to deport alien enemies, it also ruled that the Act did not mean that due process be suspended and the Act was valid only under the specific circumstances it laid out: citizens from a country with which we are actually at war with (we're not at was with El Salvador or even Venezuela), a foreign incursion or invasion by a foreign state - none of which apply to this particular case.

Your "So" is a completely unsupported conclusion. The Supreme Court ruled that this deportation is illegal and must be undone as stipulated by the lower court judges..

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, it repeatedly has not.

Here we go again.

"Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a
gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

 

[Belk]

Considering the Supreme Court does not have the authority to dictate foreign policies or affairs, Trump is doing exactly what the Supreme Court ordered.

I'm sorry? The SCOTUS does not have the authority to point out that the executive cannot illegally ignore a judicial ruling and demand it correct its mistake?

Am I to take it from your response that you feel Trump justified in ignoring the current SCOTUS ruling?

 

[Belk]

Here we go again.

"Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a
gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

That is a denial of bond, not a ruling that he guilty of being a gang member.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I'm sorry? The SCOTUS does not have the authority to point out that the executive cannot illegally ignore a judicial ruling and demand it correct its mistake?

Am I to take it from your response that you feel Trump justified in ignoring the current SCOTUS ruling?

You could ask another Maryland Senator to give it another try. You never know.