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The truth is he WAS found by two courts that he was an MS13 member.
Garcia was never found to be an MS 13 member, however; two immigration judges did deny him bail during his 2019 detention and asylum proceedings based on accusations about his gang membership. There was an informant that "verified" that Garcia was a gang member, and this is the reason for the immigration judge denying bail, but it was never proved in court that he was a member of MS 13.

KRISTI NOEM, SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY, ET AL., APPLICANTS v. KILMAR ARMANDO ABREGO GARCIA, ET AL.
 
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The courts ruled he was. Apparently it was strong enough.

No court has ever ruled that Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13.
Abrego Garcia has never been charged with a gang related crime, much less convicted.

More detail on the 2019 events as reported by The New Republic: [Short version: One local Maryland police detective made the claim via a "Gang Field Interview Sheet" which ICE later used to allege his gang involvement. The detective was later suspended for giving information to a sex worker....].

Abrego Garcia—a Salvadoran who came to the United States illegally in 2011, at the age of 16—was initially detained in Prince George’s County, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C., in March 2019. County police asked him whether he was a gang member, which he denied.
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Abrego Garcia was not charged with a crime, and on the basis of his undocumented status was transferred to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which moved to deport him. Abrego Garcia sought asylum, and during those proceedings, ICE claimed Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13.

To support this claim, ICE relied on what’s known as a Gang Field Interview Sheet, supplied by the Prince George’s County police. It claimed that Abrego Garcia wore a Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie, that this was evidence of membership in MS-13, and that a “confidential source” had related that he was a member of the gang’s Westerns clique. But that operates in New York, where he never lived.

Abrego Garcia’s lawyers recounted some of that 2019 story in current court filings, but in them, they also added some details that raise additional questions. They claimed that at the time, his lawyer, Curiel, sought more information from the P.G. County police but was informed that the lead detective on his case had been “suspended.” The current filings don’t name the officer, and they don’t say why he was suspended.

But we can fill in the facts around some of these cryptic details.

Ivan Mendez was the officer who filled out this gang interview sheet, according to a copy of the sheet itself, which we obtained from Curiel. And Curiel tells us that repeated conversations with the P.G. County police inspector general confirmed that Mendez was a lead detective on Abrego Garcia’s case.

What’s more, it turns out that Mendez was suspended, in early April 2019, for “providing information to a commercial sex worker who he was paying in exchange for sexual acts.” That’s according to the P.G. County police’s own announcement of his indictment, which came a year later, in June 2020. Strikingly, the information Mendez shared was related to “an on-going police investigation.”

 
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The vice president of El Salvador admitting that they're being paid by the Trump admin to keep a wrongfully-imprisoned man in prison is absolutely insane.

Van Hollen denied meeting, phone call with Abrego Garcia during El Salvador visit

Van Hollen said Salvadoran Vice President Félix Ulloa told him the government had no information connecting Abrego Garcia to MS-13 but could not accommodate a visit to the notorious CECOT prison, known by its acronym in Spanish.

“If the government of El Salvador has no evidence that he was part of MS-13, why is El Salvador continuing to hold him in CECOT?” Van Hollen asked.

“And his answer was that the Trump administration is paying the government of El Salvador to keep him at CECOT.”

The fiery press conference was in many ways a rebuttal to numerous Trump administration claims, with Van Hollen directly pleading for Abrego Garcia’s release and accusing the Trump administration of violating a Supreme Court order by failing to do anything to facilitate his return.

Van Hollen also accused the Trump administration of lying about Abrego Garcia’s background.

“I want to emphasize that President Trump and our Attorney General Pam Bondi and the vice president of the United States are lying when they say that Abrego Garcia has been charged with a crime or was part of MS-13. That is a lie,” he said.

“This is a lie to cover up what they did.”

When asked if he received any information about the health status of Abrego Garcia, the Democratic senator said he did not.
 
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This case illustrates the complexities of our immigration system. The Right is concerned that this individual, who entered the United States illegally and may have been affiliated with a gang, has resided here for 14 years and remains difficult to deport. Meanwhile, the Left argues that despite his illegal entry, he has since married a legal citizen, has children, and is now an upstanding member of society. Nevertheless, he continues to navigate the judicial system, being detained and then released.

Regardless of whether one advocates for the deportation of undocumented immigrants or supports providing them with a fair opportunity to attain legal status in the United States, it is evident that there are significant flaws in our immigration laws. To address these effectively, it is essential to work together, reach a consensus, and establish immigration laws that meet the needs of our country in the 21st century.
 
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That is not true.


It is relevant.
If I claim you are a member of MS-13, I better have strong evidence.


Nope.

Yes. And under a 2019 standing order not to be sent to El Salvador.
To everyone who keeps believing the lies of the liberal media, once again, I am providing the evidence everyone keeps demanding.
 

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Former federal prosecutor Francey Hakes told Newsmax on Tuesday that liberals' insistence that an illegal immigrant from El Salvador living in Maryland didn't receive due process is a "complete lie."

Hakes joined "The Record With Greta Van Susteren" to wade into the "complicated case" of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was sent to a maximum security prison in El Salvador by the Trump administration.

The White House asserts that he is a member of the criminal gang MS-13, which President Donald Trump has designated a foreign terrorist organization.

"I mean, the first thing to remember is that he is in the country illegally. And if you have crossed the border illegally, you are deportable by definition," Hakes said, noting that that alone didn't land Abrego Garcia in Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo (Terrorism Confinement Center), a maximum security prison in El Salvador.

It's what followed — that he admitted being a gang member, she said.

"When he was arrested or picked up in 2019, he had an immigration hearing. Lots of people are yelling online and on television that he hasn't received any due process. And that is a complete lie, because he did get the due process to which illegal aliens are entitled," Hakes said. "And at that hearing, the judge found that the evidence presented by DHS was credible, that he was a member of MS-13, which also made him deportable.

"Now, after that, he got an appeal. So that's the second bit of due process that he got. He got appellate level … judge panel to look at his case and to agree with the initial federal judge who found that he was deportable," Hakes added, setting up Abrego Garcia's biggest problem.

"Now, when he went to court, the judge, however, had some sympathy for his claim that if he were sent back to El Salvador, he might face violence from a rival gang. Now, what I've read, Greta, suggests that what that means is, if he was worried about violence from a rival gang in El Salvador, that he's effectively admitting he's part of a gang himself," Hakes said.

"And now that President Trump has designated MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization, he's no longer entitled to that withholding of the deportation that a judge in some sympathy gave him in 2019 because he was no longer entitled to claim asylum," she added.

Hakes also pushed back on the assertion that Abrego Garcia hasn't been convicted of a crime. That's irrelevant, she said.

"I think what people miss about being in a gang, because they say that he was never convicted of an actual crime, is they forget the policies around conspiracy," Hakes said, likening gang membership to belonging to the mafia.

"Every member of the gang is a member of a criminal conspiracy. And without every member, the gang doesn't succeed. And that is why membership in these gangs represents a clear and present danger to this country and our citizens," she said.
Yes, in 2019 he did have a immigration hearing. The result of the hearing was a judges ruling that he not only could stay, but the judge gave a "do not deport" order. Given that, the rest of what this article says is just a waste of server space.
 
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To everyone who keeps believing the lies of the liberal media, once again, I am providing the evidence everyone keeps demanding.
Multiple court rulings, legal documents, and investigations found claims that Garcia belonged to MS 13 to be unsubstantiated. Also see post #61.
 
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To everyone who keeps believing the lies of the liberal media, once again, I am providing the evidence everyone keeps demanding.
And you've continuously ignored the later contextualizing information. I'll quote the bond hearing here:
The Court first reasoned that the Respondent failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows that he is a verified member ofMS-13. Matter ofSiniauskas, 27 l&N Dec. at 210; Matter of Adeniji, 22 l&N Dec. at 1111-13; 8 C.F.R. § 1003.19(h)(3). The BIA has held that, absent any indication that the information therein is incorrect or was the result of coercion or duress, Form 1-213 is "inherently trustworthy and admissible." Matter of Barcenas, 19 l&N Dec. 609,611 (BIA 1988). The Respondent contends that the Form 1-213 in his case erroneously states that he was detained in connection to a murder investigation. He also claims that the 1-213 is internally contradicts itself as to whether the Respondent fears returning to El Salvador. The reason for the Respondent's arrest given on his Form 1-213 does appear at odds with the Gang Field Interview Sheet, which states that the Respondent was approached because he and others were loitering outside of a Home Depot. Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.
The evidence showing that he is "a verified member of MS-13" was the Gang Field Interview Sheet submitted with Garcia's arrest. You can read it here:

In short, the reasons for deeming him a gang member were his clothing, which even the judge in this case was skeptical of (see above - "the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation"), and the word of a "past proven and reliable source of information," which seems to be what the judge granted the most weight to. This source identified Garcia as a member of the Westerns clique of MS-13, and gave his supposed rank and gang name. That sounds perfectly reasonable - unless you're aware that the Westerns clique operates in New York, and Garcia has never lived in New York.

That's it. That's all the evidence that he was a member of MS-13.
 
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This is what the current DOJ wrote in a court filing


“Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the Justice Department wrote in the court filing.

It appears that the current DOJ believes Garcia is not subject to deportation under the law.

The DOJ admitted they made a mistake. The mistake was sending him the El Salvador. They could have deported him to somewhere else.
 
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Source? Let's review the court ruling...
Kessler wrote in the findings.

"Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."
 
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The DOJ admitted they made a mistake. The mistake was sending him the El Salvador. They could have deported him to somewhere else.
He was also denied due process.
 
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Kessler wrote in the findings.

"Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."
This was the reason the immigration judge gave for denying Garcia bail. The court didn't rule that he was a member of MS 13.
 
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In the recent Maryland federal court litigation, the government has not contested, through introduction of evidence, any of the specific accusations of Abrego Garcia’s complaint. It has only, in conclusory fashion, continued to cling to Judge Kessler’s finding that Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. (Kessler’s bond decision was later upheld on administrative appeal in a perfunctory two-page opinion.)

The Judge ruled that he indeed was a danger. Upheld the MS13 designation. If you go to this article and scroll down you will find a link to the ruling.

This article is not friendly to the decisions and argues against them. But the decisions are there.

 
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The United States Supreme Court said the courts have found him to be a member of MS13. Good grief why are people still arguing about this. Here is link to the SCOTUS ruling and it states that the courts found him to be MS13.

That is not the Court's ruling. That is the filing from the DoJ asking the Supreme Court to lift the district court's injunction.

ETA: The ruling from the Supreme Court can be found here:

The only statement made about Garcia's supposed membership in MS-13 is this statement of the facts of the case:
The United States alleges, however, that Abrego Garcia has been found to be a member of the gang MS–13, a designated foreign terrorist organization, and that his return to the United States would pose a threat to the public. Abrego Garcia responds that he is not a member of MS–13, and that he has lived safely in the United States with his family for a decade and has never been charged with a crime.
 
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The truth is he WAS found by two courts that he was an MS13 member.

Truth #2. He was found by two courts to be an illegal alien

Truth #3. The courts ruled he could not be sent back to El Salvador. That did not make him a legal resident. He could have still been deported somewhere else.

Truth #4. I've seen no evidence that he was hiding.

Don't believe everything you hear from the main stream news.

The fact is he SHOULD have had a hearing before being sent to El Salvador. That absolutely is true. They made a mistake. The gang he was afraid of apparently is no longer in El Salvador. So there was a chance he would have been sent there anyway, but we will never know.
Why are Democrats supporting a violent gang member?

"According to court filings, Garcia’s wife sought a domestic violence restraining order against him, claiming he punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt, among other harm."
 
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Im glad we have a legal process for dealing with alleged criminal gang members.

But I'm concerned we lack a process for dealing with a political leadership which will go its own way and be a law unto itself, right in front of our faces.

Ultimately its We The People who have to object to this. And right now many of we the people are fine with the executive blowing past legal and constitutional guardrails - so long as its "their guy".
 
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