Do you believe that Trump has an ACTUAL plan?

[Bradskii]

America since the end of WW2 has protected most of the world's boarders.

From here: Section 8 Under Trump: How Policy Uncertainty Is Affecting Affordable Housing

I see no moves by Trump to protect boarders. In fact, the uncertainty of his economic 'policies' is doing just the opposite.

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So what's the admin doing about it? Nothing...

 

[Aryeh Jay]

From here: Section 8 Under Trump: How Policy Uncertainty Is Affecting Affordable Housing

I see no moves by Trump to protect boarders. In fact, the uncertainty of his economic 'policies' is doing just the opposite.

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So what's the admin doing about it? Nothing...

Blowing hot air is something.

 

[timothyu]

Yes. Ironically, the secularists in public school (who are liberals) wanted to use the Crusades to blame racism on the Catholics, and then they wanted to blame racism on Christianity using the examples of North American conquering and African colonialism.

There is a recent trend where celebrities and media pundits are suddenly coming out of the woodwork claiming to be Christian yet still following their political roots. Kinda like convicts that suddenly find God to better chances at parole. This at a time when rebellion against politics is switching to rebellion against Christianity as being the root of politics. Many innocent non-political will suffer as a consequence.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes. Ironically, the secularists in public school (who are liberals) wanted to use the Crusades to blame racism on the Catholics, and then they wanted to blame racism on Christianity using the examples of North American conquering and African colonialism.

There is a lot of wrong packed into that paragraph.

"Secularists" (particularly in this context) are those that want to keep religion out of public schools, government and other public institutions. They are neither all "liberals" nor all non-Christians. (Far from it.) Secular public schools is literally my oldest political position and it goes back to around my First Communion. Promoting secularism in public institutions is not oppositoin to religion it is opposition to theocracy and trends toward theocracy.

Who uses the Crusades to blame racism on Catholics anywhere ever? I'd never even heard the notion until I read this post. Racism (and race) as we know it today is the product of colonial slavery and European colonialism. It has nothing to with the Crusades. Catholics had nothing to do with slavery in the British colonies as there were virtually no Catholics there.

Christianity didn't create slavery or racism, but it certainly did nothing to stop it for 200 years either.

This paragraph, like the rest of the post, has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, but it was so wrong.

 

[linux.poet]

Who uses the Crusades to blame racism on Catholics anywhere ever? I'd never even heard the notion until I read this post. Racism (and race) as we know it today is the product of colonial slavery and European colonialism. It has nothing to with the Crusades.

A couple of dumb professors at the state university near me. It was a pretty simple correction for me to make. Christianity does not teach racism, so it’s a “correlation does not imply causation” type fallacy they were making. Since a lot of Europeans were Christians, and a lot of Europeans were racist, they assumed that Christianity caused the racism.

The crusades were about “racism against Islamic people” in their warped framework. They pointed to a selection of historical literature that had negative characterizations of the Arab people. What they forgot was that the Moors were invading Spain at the time. It’s not racist to call an enemy an enemy when you’re actually fighting them.

If you go too deep into believing racism as an ideology, any sort of European expansion outside of Europe is criminal, heaven forbid that any other culture conquer another, express any sense of superiority, or cause each other any inconvenience.

Which Trump doesn’t agree with, considering that he is causing other countries and cultures inconveniences with his tariff plan. It’s pretty obvious that he believes in American superiority at the expense of other countries and cultures. That his guiding philosophy.

 

[timothyu]

It’s pretty obvious that he believes in American superiority at the expense of other countries and cultures. That his guiding philosophy.

That seems quite common amongst those who think life comes to an infinite end, so get what you can while you can.

 

[Hans Blaster]

A couple of dumb professors at the state university near me. It was a pretty simple correction for me to make. Christianity does not teach racism, so it’s a “correlation does not imply causation” type fallacy they were making. Since a lot of Europeans were Christians, and a lot of Europeans were racist, they assumed that Christianity caused the racism.

The crusades were about “racism against Islamic people” in their warped framework. They pointed to a selection of historical literature that had negative characterizations of the Arab people. What they forgot was that the Moors were invading Spain at the time. It’s not racist to call an enemy an enemy when you’re actually fighting them.

If you go too deep into believing racism as an ideology, any sort of European expansion outside of Europe is criminal, heaven forbid that any other culture conquer another, express any sense of superiority, or cause each other any inconvenience.

Which Trump doesn’t agree with, considering that he is causing other countries and cultures inconveniences with his tariff plan. It’s pretty obvious that he believes in American superiority at the expense of other countries and cultures. That his guiding philosophy.

So all of that was about a couple of "dumb professors". I see.

 

[BeyondET]

From here: Section 8 Under Trump: How Policy Uncertainty Is Affecting Affordable Housing

I see no moves by Trump to protect boarders. In fact, the uncertainty of his economic 'policies' is doing just the opposite.

Typical gas lighting, it never effected anybody because it got rescinded and Section 8 was excluded to begin with. It's the dems that upend things by stoking fear.

From the article

The White House rescinded the memo on Jan. 29 following a public uproar (and specifically excluded Section 8 verbally prior to rescission), but not before upending a sense of stability for many of the most vulnerable residents.

 

[BeyondET]

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So what's the admin doing about it? Nothing...

Do what, all of a sudden this article is the current administration fault?

What about the past administrations of 80 years?

 

[Bradskii]

Do what, all of a sudden this article is the current administration fault?

What about the past administrations of 80 years?

I'm not convinced that you know enough about the difference between borders and boarders (and a mildly sarcastic dig at the typo) to make the prospect of a meaningful discussion worthwhile.

Thanks for your input!

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes I do think Trump has a plan and I believe he’s following it to a tee.

Best I can tell his plan is to gut the federal government, drop regulations on big business and impose a sales tax on every American to help pay for his tax cuts he’s promised his wealthy friends and donors.

 

[BeyondET]

I'm not convinced that you know enough about the difference between borders and boarders (and a mildly sarcastic dig at the typo) to make the prospect of a meaningful discussion worthwhile.

Thanks for your input!

Ahh why didn't you mention it in the first, sorry for the typo. But yeah without America the borders of alot of countries for the last 80 years would be dramatically different today. You think they wouldn't you're naive about this crazy world.

 

[RDKirk]

Politicians don't know what to do with a businessman. Their form of government has been usurped.

Except he's not a good businessman. He's not a Warren Buffett.

 

[NxNW]

People who lack intelligence and who make stupid choices are not victims. Playing the stock market involves the acceptance of risk and being able to predict factors that could affect the market. Obviously a tariff policy will crash the market in the short term, so if you were paying attention to the political conditions, you would sell your stock before said policies hit the fan. If you couldn't get out of the market, you shift your portfolio into companies with domestic production that are less likely to be affected by tariffs. This is called intelligence.

Intelligence is knowing that nobody can time the markets.

If you want to do something (play the stock market), then you need to get smart and research things like geopolitical economics and business fundamentals instead of going off intuition and sticking your head in the sand.

Investing in a 401k is not "playing the stock market".

 

[linux.poet]

That seems quite common amongst those who think life comes to an infinite end, so get what you can while you can.

Evil likes to fight itself - in the absence of the opportunity to persecute Christians, Satan likes to pit unbelievers against each other to make them die quicker and miss the Gospel. In this case, we have unbiblical American exceptionalism greed pitted against billionaire “lie to the gullible sheeple unbelievers and take their money” greed.

On one side we have the aging factory worker who is losing his job to foreign competition raging about how he isn’t valuable as a human being, and on the other side we have the dumb kid working Uber eats to pay for his Netflix subscription. Both of them want more money for something that isn’t profitable and thus has no real economic value to the American nation.

Intelligence is knowing that nobody can time the markets.

Explain Warren Buffett.

Investing in a 401k is not "playing the stock market".

No, it’s hiring Vanguard and/or BlackRock to play the market on your behalf over the long term and trusting that those companies can do it better than you can. The idea is that they are more likely to be objective and less likely to make emotion-based bad decisions because it’s not their money. They also have more access to better market research than the average Robinhood user.

On the other hand, they also don’t care if they give you a loss because they can just blame Trump. And they won’t take you money out of the market either, even when it might actually be a good idea, because taking it out of the market means taking it away from them.

Retirement accounts, because of their tax exemptions and special rules, are very hard to get money out of them before retirement for obvious reasons, and they are hard to move around. 401Ks are even worse since they are tied to a specific company - your employer - who makes all the investment decisions for the account in exchange for matching employees’ contributions. You control nothing about that account, and when the market bears, you lose money and nobody cares. Vanguard and BlackRock will blame the market conditions, your employer will not care, and it’s you that will be out the money.

 

[NxNW]

Explain Warren Buffett.

Buffett doesn't time the market. He buys stocks or entire companies that are undervalued. For him, it's a matter of pricing, not timing.

No, it’s hiring Vanguard and/or BlackRock to play the market on your behalf over the long term and trusting that those companies can do it better than you can.

That's a misunderstanding of what those companies do.

The idea is that they are more likely to be objective and less likely to make emotion-based bad decisions because it’s not their money.
They also have more access to better market research than the average Robinhood user.

Vanguard, at least, does not buy and sell based on research. They're an index fund company.

On the other hand, they also don’t care if they give you a loss because they can just blame Trump.

That's 100% wrong.

And they won’t take you money out of the market either, even when it might actually be a good idea

Is it ever a good idea (other than when you need to spend it)?

401Ks are even worse since they are tied to a specific company - your employer - who makes all the investment decisions for the account in exchange for matching employees’ contributions.

No, they decide what funds you can invest in, per ERISA, but you can choose from among those.

You control nothing about that account

100% false. You can buy or sell in your 401k whenever you want.

and when the market bears, you lose money

Only if you sell.

Vanguard and BlackRock will blame the market conditions, your employer will not care, and it’s you that will be out the money.

At least, 401k options are generally better now than they were when I started working.

 

[timothyu]

He's not a Warren Buffett.

Well Buffet did turn his stocks to cash before the drop so maybe you are onto something.

 

[timothyu]

On one side we have the aging factory worker who is losing his job to foreign competition raging about how he isn’t valuable as a human being, and on the other side we have the dumb kid working Uber eats to pay for his Netflix subscription. Both of them want more money for something that isn’t profitable and thus has no real economic value to the American nation.

It still all boils down to self-interest (greed) the foundation of human thinking, contrary to the will of God.

 

[eclipsenow]

I haven't had time to study this - but a mate I respect said stocks went up an hour BEFORE Trump announced the 90 day pause on tariffs.

Did Trump let some oligarchs know to buy up? Bit of a 'pump and dump' and insider trading?
But hey - with all those buddies on the Supreme Court - of COURSE Mr President will just pardon himself if caught for insider trading!

Rule of law? Party of law and order? What was that again?

Apparently to those who know how to read the stocks - there was a bit of a rise - announcement - MASSIVE rise - then a bit of a sell.
Those in the know would have made 10's or 100's of millions that day! So yeah - Trump has a plan - and it's all about his Oligarch buddies.

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While some elites on the stock market sometimes manipulate the system to make MILLIONS in a day, many of us (myself included) are just on a working wage. Why do we put up with the current stock market system? Is it really that essential to the functioning of capitalism? How DARE they! Also - how often are governments going to have to step in and bail out various banking and other institutions that are 'too big' or 'too critical' to fail? And this is usually a result of someone inside gambling on investments that were risky and bound to fail anyway!

I'm not a full Communist - but very Ordo-Liberal. That is - I wish governments were more involved in the market - and that Corporations were more like Democratic Worker's Co-ops (WDC's). WDC's are different to Corporations in 2 very fundamental ways.

1. They are more democratically run. They vote for certain managers and the board - and there might even be some policy things to vote on as well. That is - should we all take a 5% pay cut to get through the recession - or vote for some bean-counters to tell us how many to fire? Or the CEO or an entrepreneur team think they have a mysterious new product to investigate - but the workers might get to vote on what percent of special funds goes to that?

2. They are independent of shares - either worker owned - or maybe family owned (like German Mittlestand - but they tend to not be WDC's but power resides in the family.) They raise their funds other ways: government loans or bank loans - not the share market. This means they can think about the next 25 years - not just plan to make a profit for shareholders in the next quarter!

Given how ridiculously easy the stock market is to jinx, I'm wondering why we even have it? WDC's might slow down some things - but maybe slow and steady is a truly conservative way to run society?

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[loveofourlord]

I haven't had time to study this - but a mate I respect said stocks went up an hour BEFORE Trump announced the 90 day pause on tariffs.

Did Trump let some oligarchs know to buy up? Bit of a 'pump and dump' and insider trading?
But hey - with all those buddies on the Supreme Court - of COURSE Mr President will just pardon himself if caught for insider trading!

Rule of law? Party of law and order? What was that again?

Apparently to those who know how to read the stocks - there was a bit of a rise - announcement - MASSIVE rise - then a bit of a sell.
Those in the know would have made 10's or 100's of millions that day! So yeah - Trump has a plan - and it's all about his Oligarch buddies.

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< off topic rant! >

While some elites on the stock market sometimes manipulate the system to make MILLIONS in a day, many of us (myself included) are just on a working wage. Why do we put up with the current stock market system? Is it really that essential to the functioning of capitalism? How DARE they! Also - how often are governments going to have to step in and bail out various banking and other institutions that are 'too big' or 'too critical' to fail? And this is usually a result of someone inside gambling on investments that were risky and bound to fail anyway!

I'm not a full Communist - but very Ordo-Liberal. That is - I wish governments were more involved in the market - and that Corporations were more like Democratic Worker's Co-ops (WDC's). WDC's are different to Corporations in 2 very fundamental ways.

1. They are more democratically run. They vote for certain managers and the board - and there might even be some policy things to vote on as well. That is - should we all take a 5% pay cut to get through the recession - or vote for some bean-counters to tell us how many to fire? Or the CEO or an entrepreneur team think they have a mysterious new product to investigate - but the workers might get to vote on what percent of special funds goes to that?

2. They are independent of shares - either worker owned - or maybe family owned (like German Mittlestand - but they tend to not be WDC's but power resides in the family.) They raise their funds other ways: government loans or bank loans - not the share market. This means they can think about the next 25 years - not just plan to make a profit for shareholders in the next quarter!

Given how ridiculously easy the stock market is to jinx, I'm wondering why we even have it? WDC's might slow down some things - but maybe slow and steady is a truly conservative way to run society?

< / off topic rant! >

not sure about the stocks themselves, but there is a big jump in people buying stocks right before the announcement.