International Student Visas Revoked - War on Higher Education?

[FireDragon76]

Supporting a terrorist organization while on student visa.

Speaking out against mass killing and war isn't supporting terrorism, it's opposing it.

 

[DaisyDay]

In this case it's meaningless speculation. There is no probability that supports your speculation. Whatever that may be.

Funny that you call my speculation "meaningless" when you can't figure out what it even is.

 

[DaisyDay]

Supporting a terrorist organization while on student visa.

That has not even been alleged against these students. They are not activists.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Speaking out against mass killing and war isn't supporting terrorism, it's opposing it.

unless you are on the side that is doing the mass killing.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Not war on higher education education

War on terrorism.

Is there any proof that these students were terrorist. Or, are you going keep making that excuse. Because you want to deny Trump administration is that bad.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Is there any proof that these students were terrorist. Or, are you going keep making that excuse. Because you want to deny Trump administration is that bad.

I am abundantly convinced there is nothing anyone can post that will alter your view.

As for me - a grown adult (18+) comes the the US to take advantage of some of the best Universities in the world - if the open oppose the country that opened their doors to them, then openly support our enemies - they need to go home.

 

[Perpetual Student]

These are not student activists, just international students.

But sympathy for Palestinians is a crime now.

Not being American is a crime now.

 

[Perpetual Student]

How do you know?

You have no idea why these visas were canceled. Neither do I. But there was a reason. All college foreigners were not put in a hat and randomly selected.

And we have to blindly trust this administration. After all, it is lead by a stable genius.

Now we could argue that the State Dept. should tell the Amercan people why each and every student was ejected. But why should they? The left would attack them for just about any reason for it, so why bother. They don't have to provide anyone a reason. And until you can prove that there was NO reason for it, I will believe there was a reason. Its either that or the lottery, pick a student from a hat theory.

Indeed. We could argue that. But that would mean not trusting this administration.

They don't have to provide anyone a reason. And until you can prove that there was NO reason for it, I will believe there was a reason. Its either that or the lottery, pick a student from a hat theory.

Indeed. Guilty until proven innocent is the new norm. Guilty of every crime in the books. So after you have proven yourself innocent for one crime there are still hundreds other ready you are guilty of.

The UC Davis article said this:

"A spokesperson said the department generally won't comment on specific cases due to privacy considerations and visa confidentiality.

Excellent. Accountability wwas something for the Biden administration. But for this one.

The spokesperson also cited "zero tolerance" for non-citizens who violate U.S. laws and said that all visa applicants are "continuously vetted."

Covefe.

 

[rjs330]

A woman is a female human being.

Republicans act like Democrats have a hard time with that one... but it seems like it's just the opposite. It is the Republican ideologues that spend all their time ruminating on transpeople. It's almost comical how a small percentage of the population can live rent free in the heads of the New Right.

We could most certainly post a litany of Democrats who could not define it. Including a Supreme Court nominee.

It's also Democrats who can define woman also want to define woman as a man who wants to play women's sports and entwr women's spaces. Including yourself. At least on some level.

 

[BCP1928]

That has not even been alleged against these students. They are not activists.

Yes, but they apparently hold beliefs contrary to Christian Zionism which in the eyes of conservatives would be much the same thing.

 

[rjs330]

And we have to blindly trust this administration.

No you don't have to at all. You also arw not entitled to an explanation.

Indeed. We could argue that. But that would mean not trusting this administration.

Again you aren't required to trust them.

Guilty until proven innocent is the new norm.

That's not a requirement for Visa cancelation. That only applies to actual criminal charges in a court of law. It's irrelevant in these cases.

Guilty of every crime in the books. So after you have proven yourself innocent for one crime there are still hundreds other ready you are guilty of.

At this point it appears that none of these people have been charged with a criminal offense so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Excellent. Accountability wwas something for the Biden administration. But for this one.

Once again you are not entitled to an explanation.

Covefe.

Okay.

 

[rjs330]

Funny that you call my speculation "meaningless" when you can't figure out what it even is.

Oh I think so, because you've given it.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

A woman is a female human being.

Republicans act like Democrats have a hard time with that one... but it seems like it's just the opposite. It is the Republican ideologues that spend all their time ruminating on transpeople. It's almost comical how a small percentage of the population can live rent free in the heads of the New Right.

Waoah man! This post was so WOKE it kept me up last night!

 

[BCP1928]

Again you aren't required to trust them.

I am much relieved to hear that, because I could not bring myself to trust him or his supporters. However, I did take an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic and right now I sincerely believe that the most direct enemy of the Constitution is Donald J. Trump.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Good grief, there's no anti-intellectualism

Oh yes there is:

75% of US scientists who answered Nature poll consider leaving

More than 1,600 readers answered our poll; many said they were looking for jobs in Europe and Canada.

www.nature.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/18/nx-s1-5301049/national-science-foundation-fires-roughly-10-of-its-workforce

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/17/climate/noaa-layoffs-ocean-monitoring/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/17/climate/noaa-layoffs-ocean-monitoring/index.html

 

[rjs330]

I am much relieved to hear that, because I could not bring myself to trust him or his supporters. However, I did take an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic and right now I sincerely believe that the most direct enemy of the Constitution is Donald J. Trump.

You are also entitled to that belief as well.

And there are those who have taken the same oaths as you who completely disagree with you. Are they also direct enemies of the Constitution as well?

 

[rjs330]

Oh yes there is:

75% of US scientists who answered Nature poll consider leaving

More than 1,600 readers answered our poll; many said they were looking for jobs in Europe and Canada.

www.nature.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/18/nx-s1-5301049/national-science-foundation-fires-roughly-10-of-its-workforce

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/17/climate/noaa-layoffs-ocean-monitoring/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/17/climate/noaa-layoffs-ocean-monitoring/index.html

That's not anti-intellectualism. That's budgetary.

 

[rjs330]

Opinion and definition are not necessarily opposed to one another. We can define words any way we desire, but if our definition falls outside the bounds of what the word is normally used to communicate then we must make that clear.

The problem with a lot of popular discourse is that people use words to communicate different meanings, and so a lot of people end up talking past one another.

A good example of this is that I considered walking a "mode of transportation" the other day. My interlocutor did not. That's fine, so long as we each knew what the other meant by the phrase.

As I said to the one poster we can test the theory that anti-intellectualism is rampant as he says. I mean there is some of that going around as we see in the struggle some have with biology and mental health. But I certainly challenge the concept of the particular definition.

I mean art? Really? Just because someone has a certain opinion on certain so called art they are anti-intellectual?

 

[Perpetual Student]

That's not anti-intellectualism. That's budgetary.

Cutting the budget of scientific research while increasing the budget of presidential golf rounds is anti-intellectualism.
And it is plain stupid.

 

[DaisyDay]

That's not a requirement for Visa cancelation. That only applies to actual criminal charges in a court of law. It's irrelevant in these cases.

Except in these and similar visa revocations, when their visa is revoked they become subject to ICE when suddenly they are no longer "documented".