Would you be more likely to join…

[The Liturgist]

Jewish women are allowed to light candles for 8 days.

Christian women are allowed (and encouraged) to light as many candles as they wish, at all times and in all places, except aboard most commercial aircraft and other enclosed conveyances on which no one is allowed to light a candle regardless of ecclesiastical status for reasons which I hope should be self-evident.

 

[Love365]

Jewish women are allowed to light candles for 8 days.

The oil in their oil lamps,
lasted longer than expected.

 

[Love365]

Could a woman priest hold the Pro Life flag ?

 

[David Lamb]

Could a woman priest hold the Pro Life flag ?

Depends how heavy it is and how strong she is, I suppose

 

[The Liturgist]

Depends how heavy it is and how strong she is, I suppose

/me strikes a rimshot

 

[Jermayn]

Would you be more likely to join the Catholic Church,
if they had women priests, bishops, and cardinals?

I would be much less likely.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Could a woman priest hold the Pro Life flag ?

Question cannot be answered your honor, it assumes facts not in evidence.

Tell me why counselor !

Well it goes back to the premise of a joke I learned in 7th grade back in 1975. Suppose there was a race to hold this alleged pro life flag. Who would get there first? Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, a woman priest or a man priest?

The man priest of course.

Why?

Because there is no such thing as Santa Claus, no such thing as the Easter bunny and no such thing as a woman priest

Next question

 

[The Liturgist]

Question cannot be answered your honor, it assumes facts not in evidence.

Tell me why counselor !

Well it goes back to the premise of a joke I learned in 7th grade back in 1975. Suppose there was a race to hold this alleged pro life flag. Who would get there first? Santa Clause, the Easter bunny, a woman priest or a man priest?

The man priest of course.

Why?

Because there is no such thing as Santa Clause, no such thing as the Easter bunny and no such thing as a woman priest

Next question

No, but there is St. Nicholas of Myra, to be fair, and your church very kindly provides Orthodox pilgrims with the myrhh that continues to stream from his relics, although I would like to see his relics returned, like other prominent Eastern bishops such as the Three Holy Hierarchs, whose relics are now in Constantinople. If I recall the head of St. Mark the Evangelist is permanently with the Coptic Orthodox church in Alexandria, his relics previously been removed by the Venetians. I prefer not to subdivide the relics; I think it better when we leave the relics of the saints integral, particularly when they are myrhh streaming. Another good option for relics of Eastern provenance that were expropriated by the Venetians and other Western European powers would be joint Orthodox-Catholic control of the churches where they are located, or sharing of the relics. For example, the aforementioned incorrupt head of St. Mark was brought to Los Angeles in 1996.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

No, but there is St. Nicholas of Myra, to be fair, and your church very kindly provides Orthodox pilgrims with the myrhh that continues to stream from his relics, although I would like to see his relics returned, like other prominent Eastern bishops such as the Three Holy Hierarchs, whose relics are now in Constantinople. If I recall the head of St. Mark the Evangelist is permanently with the Coptic Orthodox church in Alexandria, his relics previously been removed by the Venetians. I prefer not to subdivide the relics; I think it better when we leave the relics of the saints integral, particularly when they are myrhh streaming. Another good option for relics of Eastern provenance that were expropriated by the Venetians and other Western European powers would be joint Orthodox-Catholic control of the churches where they are located, or sharing of the relics. For example, the aforementioned incorrupt head of St. Mark was brought to Los Angeles in 1996.

I agree with the veneration of saints regardless of Catholic of Orthodox pre-schism. The joke was regarding women priests and the contemporaneous existence of Santa Claus, not the memory of the saint on whom he is based.
I do understand your objection, but in the interest of humor, a better joke would be, why don’t Jehovahs witnesses celebrate Christmas?
Who would celebrate a holiday where the major advocate for their doctrine was punched out by Santa Claus?
Sorry if insensitive but to me that is funny

 

[The Liturgist]

Who would celebrate a holiday where the major advocate for their doctrine was punched out by Santa Claus?
Sorry if insensitive but to me that is funny

Now that’s funny!

There is a famous Orthodox icon showing St. Nicholas slapping Arius, which someone has turned into an animated gif.

 

[Love365]

If a bishop washes a woman‘s feet,
can she become a priest?

 

[prodromos]

If a bishop washes a woman‘s feet,
can she become a priest?

Why have you not joined the Anglican Church already? It's obvious you have complete disdain for the Catholic faith.

 

[David Lamb]

If a bishop washes a woman‘s feet,
can she become a priest?

What do you mean? I didn't think that denominations which call their ministers "priests" had any requirement that someone becoming a priest must have their feet washed by a bishop.

 

[The Liturgist]

What do you mean? I didn't think that denominations which call their ministers "priests" had any requirement that someone becoming a priest must have their feet washed by a bishop.

Note that the word Priest is an Anglicization of the Greek word Presbyter, which means Elder. Various early English translations of the Bible used the word to translate “sacerdos” “hierus” and “kohen” referring to the celebrants of the Pagan rites and to the Jewish Kohanim, the Levitical hierarchs that began with St. Aaron, while the hieratic king St. Melchizedek is explicitly declared a typological prophecy of Christ in Hebrews (he may also have been Christ himself, but whether the appearance of Melchizedek was a Christophany, or merely a holy man whose actions anticpated those of Christ by virtue of his hieratic royalty, is uncertain and a point of some debate as I am sure you are aware).

Thus the word priest, when used by a denomination, should be assumed to mean Presbyter, that is to say, Elder, unless that denomination makes other statements that imply a distinct sacerdotal character, which the Roman Catholics have to some extent, which is perhaps why our interlocutor keeps making posts about what would facilitate female priests, without regard to the fact that there already exist many denominations, such as the Old Catholic denominations in the Union of Utrecht, the more liberal examples of Anglican* churches that ordain women and do other things that are contrary to the Roman Catholic faith as presently defined. And changing the position of the RCC on women priests would cause a schism, and schisms are inherently wrong.

*Excluding the Continuing Anglo-Catholic churches in the US, who my beloved friend @prodromos might not be fully aware of, but many of them enumerate seven sacraments, and all of them are extremely traditional in terms of not ordaining women and so on, and my view is that the Orthodox ought to be actively courting them; indeed I myself am trying to persuade one dying Continuing Anglo Catholic church to join the Antiochian Western Rite Vicarate as a means of revitalizing itself - in Australia the closest thing ot these Continuing Anglo Catholic churches is probably the Antiochian Western Rite, since the Anglo Catholic parishes in the Archdiocese of Sydney are theologically liberal, albeit restrained in their exercise of that liberalism, whereas the Continuing Anglo Catholics in the US are theologically traditional and unconstrained in their pursuit of tradition. In the case of the diocese I am conversing with, the leadership already has personal connections to Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy in that the elderly bishop married an Armenian Orthodox lady who sadly reposed, may her memory be eternal, and his son who is one of the presbyters married a Romanian Orthodox lady,, neither woman converting to the Anglican church, and so both men have attended and greatly enjoyed Orthodox liturgies. Additionally the coadjutor bishop is really interested in the Eastern liturgical traditions.

 

[Love365]

The Catholic Church has female alter servers.

 

[David Lamb]

The Catholic Church has female alter servers.

Which (as far as I know) has nothing to do with being a priest.

 

[Love365]

Which (as far as I know) has nothing to do with being a priest.

Altar servers are more likely to become a priest.

It is a stepping stone to becoming a priest.

 

[David Lamb]

Altar servers are more likely to become a priest.

It is a stepping stone to becoming a priest.

Fair enough - I didn't know that. Thanks.

 

[prodromos]

Altar servers are more likely to become a priest.

It is a stepping stone to becoming a priest.

But by allowing girls to act as altar servers, you reduce the number of boys acting as altar servers and inadvertently reduce the number of men likely to seek a priestly vocation

 

[Love365]

But by allowing girls to act as altar servers, you reduce the number of boys acting as altar servers and inadvertently reduce the number of men likely to seek a priestly vocation

There are two ways to solve this problem.

A. Push forward and allow women to become priests.

or

B. Push backwards and ban girls from being altar servers.