Trump voters, are you happy now?

[Vambram]

As everything Merle said has credible statistics supporting them as of today - they are facts, not assertions..

They are not facts. They are assertions.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Will there BE an America after his Regime? I hope so. For all our sakes.

Hard to be a regime when the man is divesting the Federal government of its rules regulations and bureaucracy and in many cases giving power back to the States.

Oh, there will be a country at the end of his term. One that is stronger than ever. And for that, we are very happy.

 

[Fantine]

You'd never be happy with this president anyway, so at least be truthful. At least this helps ease the Federal Reserve's fears of inflation with the stock market and interest rates going down.

You think so?
You haven't realized 34% tariffs on Chinese imports will raise the prices 34%?
Dollar Tree, recently $1.25 Tree, will now have to be $1.59 Tree now that their imported stock will cost 34 cents more.

 

[Fantine]

I am financially secure, but I could never bring myself to rejoice in the misfortune of others.
My heart goes out to all who have been victimized by unconstitutional decisions justified by an "invented" national emergency.

 

[Vambram]

I am financially secure, but I could never bring myself to rejoice in the misfortune of others.
My heart goes out to all who have been victimized by unconstitutional decisions justified by an "invented" national emergency.

I am glad that we have not seen this POTUS do any unconstitutional actions or decisions. I hope that all of the government workers who have been living off a taxpayers money will find good and profitable jobs for themselves in the private sector. When they do so, then generally speaking they will contribute more overall to our wonderful nation than they did as employees in the Federal government sector.

 

[Fantine]

I am glad that we have not seen this POTUS do any unconstitutional actions or decisions. I hope that all of the government workers who have been living off a taxpayers money will find good and profitable jobs for themselves in the private sector. When they do so, then generally speaking they will contribute more overall to our wonderful nation than they did as employees in the Federal government sector.

The Districts and the Supreme Court disagree. As a matter of fact, they have been ruling against Trump's unconstitutional actions so often that they haven't been able to do much else.

Government workers work hard and are completely undeserving of your disrespect--and especially of the unconscionable, unstudied, and unscrupulous DOGE layoffs.

With the deadly combination of inflation (due to higher prices on imported goods) and recession (due to job losses created by people shopping less, eating out less, traveling less, and spending less) even the possibility of some robot-operated factories coming back won't help.

 

[Vambram]

The Districts and the Supreme Court disagree. As a matter of fact, they have been ruling against Trump's unconstitutional actions so often that they haven't been able to do much else.

Government workers work hard and are completely undeserving of your disrespect--and especially of the unconscionable, unstudied, and unscrupulous DOGE layoffs.

With the deadly combination of inflation (due to higher prices on imported goods) and recession (due to job losses created by people shopping less, eating out less, traveling less, and spending less) even the possibility of some robot-operated factories coming back won't help.

I am not and I do not disrespect government employees. But, what I did say is that our national economic growth would be much better and stronger if we had less government employees. If we had less government employees living off of taxpayers dollars but were instead working in the private sector, then generally speaking we would all be better off.


Also, I am seeing the lowest level of the Federal district courts issuing national injunctions against the Executive branch of the Federal government. Let us wait and see what more reasonable judges and courts in the appellate level and in the SCOTUS say before declaring the Executive orders unconstitutional.

 

[Pommer]

I am not and I do not disrespect government employees. But, what I did say is that our national economic growth would be much better and stronger if we had less government employees. If we had less government employees living off of taxpayers dollars but were instead working in the private sector, then generally speaking we would all be better off.

What private-sector company has the power to tell coal-fired electricity generators that their sulfur dioxide emissions are “too high”?

Also, I am seeing the lowest level of the Federal district courts issuing national injunctions against the Executive branch of the Federal government. Let us wait and see what more reasonable judges and courts in the appellate level and in the SCOTUS say before declaring the Executive orders unconstitutional.

If an Edict from the White House runs afoul of the Constitution, any district court that hears the case has the power and authority to issue injunctions and/or TROs.

 

[Fantine]

I am not and I do not disrespect government employees. But, what I did say is that our national economic growth would be much better and stronger if we had less government employees. If we had less government employees living off of taxpayers dollars but were instead working in the private sector, then generally speaking we would all be better off.


Also, I am seeing the lowest level of the Federal district courts issuing national injunctions against the Executive branch of the Federal government. Let us wait and see what more reasonable judges and courts in the appellate level and in the SCOTUS say before declaring the Executive orders unconstitutional.

Have you not seen the new alliance?
Amy Coney Barrett, chosen for her anti-Roe views, is upsetting Republicans because her Catholic faith informs many other decisions. They weren't expecting integrity.
Roberts has his legacy to think about. He knows historians rank Trump as worst president ever---and now are wondering if they can add a WOAT category, since 47 out of 47 doesn't really cover the awfulness.
Roberts doesn't want to be history's WOAT's rubber stamp.

 

[loveofourlord]

I’m just waiting to see how things turn out . No need to panic yet

yeah, many people don't have that option as they are losing jobs and going bankrupt due to trumps policies and such.

 

[ozso]

Trump voters, your 401K just went down 10% in 2 days. Prices are about to go way up.

It was easy to see this would happen if you elected Trump. You did it anyway.

You happy now?

No! I'm suffering deep seething regret. Weeping and gnashing of teeth and all that. At the bottom of a bottomless well of deepest darkest despare. I was so wrong Democrats. I apologize humbly groveling at your feet and so on.

Happy now?

 

[iluvatar5150]

You'd never be happy with this president anyway, so at least be truthful. At least this helps ease the Federal Reserve's fears of inflation with the stock market and interest rates going down.

What? Tariffs are, if anything, stagflationary - they increase prices while decreasing economic activity. And the tariffs are not at all easing the Fed’s fears:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/powell-sees-tariffs-raising-inflation-and-says-fed-will-wait-before-further-rate-moves.html

 

[doubtingmerle]

No! I'm suffering deep seething regret. Weeping and gnashing of teeth and all that. At the bottom of a bottomless well of deepest darkest despare. I was so wrong Democrats. I apologize humbly groveling at your feet and so on.

Happy now?

No.

This was a serious question. I was not expecting joking sarcasm in a form that is difficult to tell if it is really sarcasm.

 

[Laodicean60]

LOL.

Imagine if the stock market had gone down 10% in two days in Biden's term. Would you have said, "Good, this helps ease the fears of inflation and helps keep interest rates down"?

Imagine if you weren't so tribal and remembered that the market dropped 25%+ starting in January 2022. BTW you got me mixed up with someone else in your assumptions. See, it requires someone to be able to think critically and not just use any headline as a hit piece.

During the Biden presidency, the stock market saw a significant drop of approximately 20% in 2022,

I always say people have a short and in this case, an extremely short memory in politics.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Also, I am seeing the lowest level of the Federal district courts issuing national injunctions against the Executive branch of the Federal government. Let us wait and see what more reasonable judges and courts in the appellate level and in the SCOTUS say before declaring the Executive orders unconstitutional.

Either that, or we can just read what the law says, and what Trump does, and we can see much is unconstitutional.

OK, yes, many people read it and come to different conclusions. So, in the event of disagreement, who gets to decide? By law, it is the courts. And yes, there is an appeals process, but unless something is overruled, the decision of the courts stands.

Many of Trump's acts have been blocked or are being challenged in court including:

​

Issue	Who's Suing	Order Status
Ending birthright citizenship	Immigrants' rights advocates, multiple states	Temporarily blocked	❌
Making it easier to fire federal employees	The National Treasury Employees Union, PEER	Ongoing	?
Creating the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)	Nonprofit groups, National Security Counselors	Ongoing	?
Ending government DEI efforts	Advocates, university professors, the city of Baltimore	Partially temporarily blocked	❌
Ending federal support for gender-affirming care	Advocates, transgender young adults, families with transgender youth, multiple states	Temporarily blocked	❌
Banning transgender people from serving in the military	Groups representing transgender service members	Temporarily blocked	❌
Suspending asylum	Immigrants' rights advocates	Ongoing	?
Reversing the offshore drilling ban	Environmental groups	Ongoing	?
Freezing foreign aid	Nonprofit groups, groups representing foreign aid workers	Temporarily blocked	❌
Suspending refugee program	Community groups, refugees	Temporarily blocked	❌
Dismantling the Education Department	Advocacy groups, teachers' unions	Ongoing	?
Shutting down Voice of America, sister broadcasts	Former reporters, unions	Ongoing	?

Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...-trumps-executive-orders-are-being-challenged

 

[Laodicean60]

What? Tariffs are, if anything, stagflationary - they increase prices while decreasing economic activity. And the tariffs are not at all easing the Fed’s fears:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/powell-sees-tariffs-raising-inflation-and-says-fed-will-wait-before-further-rate-moves.html

We'll have to add some more headlines on stagflation. Doesn't anyone remember what we talked about during the left's cheerleading on Bidenomics? I know we have to jump on the first negative article in our tribal warfare, and I've voiced my concern about tariffs several times, but ultimately, we have to wait and see. We don't know the extent. This is why Powell said he'll wait and see because they may balance each other out.

Stagflation?
June 2022

Billionaire investor Ray Dalio said that stagflation will force the Fed to slash interest rates by 2024

Ray Dalio said the Federal Reserve will have to cut interest rates to combat stagflation in a recent interview

africa.businessinsider.com

Jan 2023

Global economy will be mired in stagflation in 2023

Our Research analysts see a challenging new phase for the world economy in 2023: slowing growth and lingering inflation, also known as stagflation.

www.ib.barclays

April 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/economy/stagflation-us-economy-gdp/index.html

and we'll add yours to the list
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/pow...-fed-will-wait-before-further-rate-moves.html

 

[doubtingmerle]

Imagine if you weren't so tribal and remembered that the market dropped 25%+ starting in January 2022. BTW you got me mixed up with someone else in your assumptions. See, it requires someone to be able to think critically and not just use any headline as a hit piece.

I always say people have a short and in this case, an extremely short memory in politics.

No, I did not confuse you (yet) with a non-critical-thinker. But I do hope I am writing to someone who actually answers the question.

The question was:

Imagine if the stock market had gone down 10% in two days in Biden's term. Would you have said, "Good, this helps ease the fears of inflation and helps keep interest rates down"?​

I didn't see your answer.

OK, so you want me to modify that question to read:

Since worldwide stock markets went gone down 20% in ten months in Biden's term, do you say, "Good, this helps ease the fears of inflation and helps keep interest rates down"?​

Regarding the 10-month-long drop in stocks in 2022, there were serious causes of this world-wide drop beyond Biden's control (see 2022 stock market decline - Wikipedia. ) That is far different from the 2-day collapse this week, which was almost certainly the direct result of an irrational decision from the White House.

 

[ozso]

No.

This was a serious question. I was not expecting joking sarcasm in a form that is difficult to tell if it is really sarcasm.

It's been a perpetual theme for a long time. How agonizingly regretful Trump voters are going to be. Pretty much a daily "are you sorry yet? How bout now?" from all over the place. Maybe you weren't aware of how desperate certain people are to see Trump voters languishing in regret and keep at it day after day. So yes, I used satire to point that out.

 

[ozso]

Either that, or we can just read what the law says, and what Trump does, and we can see much is unconstitutional.

OK, yes, many people read it and come to different conclusions. So, in the event of disagreement, who gets to decide? By law, it is the courts. And yes, there is an appeals process, but unless something is overruled, the decision of the courts stands.

Many of Trump's acts have been blocked or are being challenged in court including:

​

Issue	Who's Suing	Order Status
Ending birthright citizenship	Immigrants' rights advocates, multiple states	Temporarily blocked	❌
Making it easier to fire federal employees	The National Treasury Employees Union, PEER	Ongoing	?
Creating the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)	Nonprofit groups, National Security Counselors	Ongoing	?
Ending government DEI efforts	Advocates, university professors, the city of Baltimore	Partially temporarily blocked	❌
Ending federal support for gender-affirming care	Advocates, transgender young adults, families with transgender youth, multiple states	Temporarily blocked	❌
Banning transgender people from serving in the military	Groups representing transgender service members	Temporarily blocked	❌
Suspending asylum	Immigrants' rights advocates	Ongoing	?
Reversing the offshore drilling ban	Environmental groups	Ongoing	?
Freezing foreign aid	Nonprofit groups, groups representing foreign aid workers	Temporarily blocked	❌
Suspending refugee program	Community groups, refugees	Temporarily blocked	❌
Dismantling the Education Department	Advocacy groups, teachers' unions	Ongoing	?
Shutting down Voice of America, sister broadcasts	Former reporters, unions	Ongoing	?

Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...-trumps-executive-orders-are-being-challenged

The thing is Trump can say he made the effort to fulfill his promises and others blocked them from happening. So Trump voters are going to blame judge so-in-so or whoever for those things not happening, instead of blaming Trump.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I know we have to jump on the first negative article in our tribal warfare, and I've voiced my concern about tariffs several times, but ultimately, we have to wait and see. We don't know the extent. This is why Powell said he'll wait and see because they may balance each other out.

Yes, we shall see.

But those that are in the financial know, those who make a living investing in the stock market, have almost universally decided that this will hurt future profits. That is what the drop in stock market means. The actual physical assets of all those companies did not change much this week. But investors have almost universally decided that this drops future commerce and future profits, and thus it drops the values of owning these companies 10%

We don't know what Trump will do next week. There is a strong possibility that he will do what he did before: He will change his mind and repeal the tariffs. In that case, recent history suggests the stock market will go up. But if he doesn't? It is clear to many that stocks will go down.

And that is where we are at. Some investors are in effect betting that Trump will change his mind, and then stocks will go up. They are staying in the market hoping to get huge gains next week. Others are betting that Trump will keep the tariffs. They are cutting their losses, and selling now before stocks drop further. If those who are hanging on to their stocks in the hope that Trump drops his tariffs decide that the tariffs are here to stay, watch out.

Let me go out on a limb and make a prediction: If the tariffs hold for another week, stocks will go down at least another 5%. If tariffs worldwide return to something closer to January, stocks will go up at least 5%.

OK, come back to me in a week and tell me if I was right or wrong.