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I just recently ordered a Joyce Meyer book from Amazon (yeah Iknow Joyce Meyer) titled The Answer to Anxiety, hoping it would be THE book that would help me like The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peal did. Well,
I got to a part of the book that we’ve all heard before….in the Bible. It’s about prayer and how we should not repeat prayers, repeating the same words over and over “like the Gentiles do”. That made me think of the rosary. Is praying the rosary the same thing the Bible speaks about and if not, why not?
 

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The Rosary and ‘Vain Repetition’

"As we have seen, when you take the context into account, it’s clear that Jesus was not condemning all prayer with any repetition. What he is condemning is the way in which the Gentiles rattled off mindless and repetitive prayers in order to appease their gods. The words are said repeatedly to check a box."
 
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"Pagans and atheists aren’t the only ones who employ vain prayers. Catholics must be vigilant and not allow prayer to turn into something they do merely to satisfy a requirement, to check a box, in order to keep God from getting mad. Prayer is a conversation, a communing with God. Rather than heaping up empty phrases, let us pray prayerfully."

The Rosary and ‘Vain Repetition’
 
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God is love, and love in itself desires relationship.

To be in a relationship with God, one must communicate with Him.

Prayer is unity with God.

Prayer to Him, from your soul, can be done with the intentional and meditative repetition of the rosary or in contemplation as well.

What's in your heart and to whom are you praying is what's important, yes?
 
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Meyer also says that “Jesus promises that we can do the works He did and even greater works through the power of prayer.” John 14: 11-14. I just looked it up in my Bible. What does this mean? It sounds like He’s saying we have Jesus’ power. That’s not true so what does this mean?
 
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Greater Works Than These

"Think of it. When any one of us who is not in God’s grace prays a prayer of repentance, sorry for his sins on account of God’s goodness and love and willing to amend his life, he shares in a work that is greater than the creation of the world. When the priest who hears the confession of such a one pronounces the words of absolution, this is a greater thing than the “Let there be light” on the first day of creation. And this is accomplished in the soul of everyone who repents. When we recite in the creed, “I believe in the remission of sins” we profess a greater thing than “I believe in God the Creator of heaven and earth.”

"It is surely true that we cannot do greater works than Christ without him, but the works we do with him are still really and truly our works. Miracles, preaching, and repenting are the stuff of the life of God’s saints and his Church. There is no truer thing about the Son of God than that his union with us by grace, by faith, by power is as real as his union with his Father and their Holy Spirit."
 
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"Our Lady has exhorted us to pray for the conversion of sinners; this work, accomplished in us through her intercession and through the free will of sinners moved by God freely, is a greater thing than any other work"
 
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Revelation 4:8 NIV "Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “’Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.”"
Now that is what I call repetitive prayer, and it is in heaven.
 
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I just recently ordered a Joyce Meyer book from Amazon (yeah Iknow Joyce Meyer) titled The Answer to Anxiety, hoping it would be THE book that would help me like The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peal did. Well,
I got to a part of the book that we’ve all heard before….in the Bible. It’s about prayer and how we should not repeat prayers, repeating the same words over and over “like the Gentiles do”. That made me think of the rosary. Is praying the rosary the same thing the Bible speaks about and if not, why not?
Praying the Rosary is not "vain repetition" because you're not just repeating words, you're meditating on the mysteries of each bead. Here's an old post of mine which may help explain it better:

The Rosary is supposed to be a meditative prayer---this means it comes more from the head than from the heart, as opposed to something like petitional prayer, which comes more from the heart than from the head. :) You're not even supposed to be paying attention to the Hail Marys you recite---you're supposed to be paying attention to the mystery you're meditating upon. All that the recitation of the prayer does is to keep your mind focused and to establish a rhythm---sort of like repeating a mantra over and over in some Eastern religions.

The way I keep focused is to concentrate on one aspect of the mystery in question for each bead, keeping that in my mind as I recite the Hail Mary. For example, let's say that we're doing the Fourth Sorrowful Mystery, Jesus Carries the Cross; ten beads, ten Hail Marys, ten pictures to focus on:

1. Jesus was shoved into a carpenter's shop and a heavy, rough-hewn pine beam was thrown across His shoulders and lashed to His arms with ropes. The smell of the fresh wood shavings gave him a pang, thinking of the happy days He had spent as a child in Joseph's carpenter shop.

2. The soldiers shoved Jesus into the street, where He fell and skinned one knee on the rough paving stones. He struggled to His feet and staggered forward.

3. The streets were lined with people screaming for His death, spitting on Him, mocking Him. Also in the crowd were those who loved Him, who wept with horror and sorrow as He passed by.

4. Weak from carrying the crossbeam, Jesus fell to both knees. A woman came out of the crowd with a cloth and mercifully wiped the sweat and blood from Jesus' face.

5. As the procession turned a corner, Jesus came face-to-face with His mother. Mary's heart twisted within her when she saw what they had done to Him, and she began to weep unconsolably.

6. A group of women stood nearby, weeping as Jesus passed. Gasping under the weight of the crossbeam, Jesus said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me; weep rather for yourselves, and for your children."

7. Jesus fell again, this time full-length upon His chest. He tried to rise and could not, even though the soldiers kicked Him and cursed Him.

8. One of the soldiers yanked Jesus to His feet by His hair, while another yanked a man out of the crowd and forced him to help Jesus carry the crossbeam; this man's name was Simon of Cyrene, the father of Alexander and Rufus.

9. At length, the place of execution was reached; this was a garbage dump outside the city wall of Jerusalem. This place was called in the Hebrew tongue "Golgotha", and in the Latin tongue "Calvarium", which means "The Place of the Skull".

10. Jesus was tripped by the soldiers and thrown flat on His back; the wind was knocked out of Him and He gasped for air. As He struggled to breathe, two of the soldiers approached Him on either side, bearing heavy iron hammers and long, sharp, rusty iron spikes.

And so on. It takes a while to go through five decades this way, but it really helps to keep you focused.
 
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Praying the Rosary is not "vain repetition" because you're not just repeating words, you're meditating on the mysteries of each bead. Here's an old post of mine which may help explain it better:

The Rosary is supposed to be a meditative prayer---this means it comes more from the head than from the heart, as opposed to something like petitional prayer, which comes more from the heart than from the head. :) You're not even supposed to be paying attention to the Hail Marys you recite---you're supposed to be paying attention to the mystery you're meditating upon. All that the recitation of the prayer does is to keep your mind focused and to establish a rhythm---sort of like repeating a mantra over and over in some Eastern religions.

The way I keep focused is to concentrate on one aspect of the mystery in question for each bead, keeping that in my mind as I recite the Hail Mary. For example, let's say that we're doing the Fourth Sorrowful Mystery, Jesus Carries the Cross; ten beads, ten Hail Marys, ten pictures to focus on:

1. Jesus was shoved into a carpenter's shop and a heavy, rough-hewn pine beam was thrown across His shoulders and lashed to His arms with ropes. The smell of the fresh wood shavings gave him a pang, thinking of the happy days He had spent as a child in Joseph's carpenter shop.

2. The soldiers shoved Jesus into the street, where He fell and skinned one knee on the rough paving stones. He struggled to His feet and staggered forward.

3. The streets were lined with people screaming for His death, spitting on Him, mocking Him. Also in the crowd were those who loved Him, who wept with horror and sorrow as He passed by.

4. Weak from carrying the crossbeam, Jesus fell to both knees. A woman came out of the crowd with a cloth and mercifully wiped the sweat and blood from Jesus' face.

5. As the procession turned a corner, Jesus came face-to-face with His mother. Mary's heart twisted within her when she saw what they had done to Him, and she began to weep unconsolably.

6. A group of women stood nearby, weeping as Jesus passed. Gasping under the weight of the crossbeam, Jesus said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me; weep rather for yourselves, and for your children."

7. Jesus fell again, this time full-length upon His chest. He tried to rise and could not, even though the soldiers kicked Him and cursed Him.

8. One of the soldiers yanked Jesus to His feet by His hair, while another yanked a man out of the crowd and forced him to help Jesus carry the crossbeam; this man's name was Simon of Cyrene, the father of Alexander and Rufus.

9. At length, the place of execution was reached; this was a garbage dump outside the city wall of Jerusalem. This place was called in the Hebrew tongue "Golgotha", and in the Latin tongue "Calvarium", which means "The Place of the Skull".

10. Jesus was tripped by the soldiers and thrown flat on His back; the wind was knocked out of Him and He gasped for air. As He struggled to breathe, two of the soldiers approached Him on either side, bearing heavy iron hammers and long, sharp, rusty iron spikes.

And so on. It takes a while to go through five decades this way, but it really helps to keep you focused.
My mom taught me to pray the rosary and she never included meditating on the mysteries. I talked to my pastor about this and asked if it was ok to pray it as I’d been taught and he said that there are many different ways to pray the rosary, and yes, it’s ok as long as I’m thinking of Mary and her intercession the whole time I’m praying.
 
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I knew most people here wouldn’t be. What are your reasons? Because her book is, so far, helpful to me.
Oh there are a lot of reasons I won’t get into due to lent. You can look it up. I’m not saying she is not a Christian or anything like that but there is a lot I disagree with.
 
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I just recently ordered a Joyce Meyer book from Amazon (yeah Iknow Joyce Meyer) titled The Answer to Anxiety, hoping it would be THE book that would help me like The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peal did. Well,
I got to a part of the book that we’ve all heard before….in the Bible. It’s about prayer and how we should not repeat prayers, repeating the same words over and over “like the Gentiles do”. That made me think of the rosary. Is praying the rosary the same thing the Bible speaks about and if not, why not?
Just on the very basis that this is a Joyce Meyer book we know that that's wrong. If anything the vain repetition scripture warns about would be the weird "infinite loop" prayers that her own charismatic kind often descend into.

Since Catholic prayers aren't in vain to begin with, we don't have to worry about that admonition.
 
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Just on the very basis that this is a Joyce Meyer book we know that that's wrong. If anything the vain repetition scripture warns about would be the weird "infinite loop" prayers that her own charismatic kind often descend into.

Since Catholic prayers aren't in vain to begin with, we don't have to worry about that admonition.
Can you give me an example?
 
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