Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Phil G]

I do study the Bible but I'm far behind you as I don't go into the Hebrew meaning of words that seems like a lorra studying & work which IMO would take all the pleasure out of reading the Bible.

If you think that study takes the pleasure out of reading the Bible, then you are not growing in the faith. There is so much depth to Scripture that can encourage you beyond what you can even imagine.

Study is work, but it’s not a heavy burden if you want to learn more about God. If you remain at the reading only stage, then no wonder you think the earth is flat. Spend as much time on study as you do on reading about conspiracy theories & you will learn so much more about Him.

The fact you spend so much time on conspiracy theories, which you don’t seem to think takes any pleasure from you whereas in-depth study of the Bible does, indicates to me that conspiracy theories are more important to you than Scripture.

I have considered this but I don't think I am wrong, the thing is I know my history all too well better that most I would say. Try reading up about Copernicus & Martin Luther & the Vatican 500 years ago & you may see just where I'm coming from.

Martin Luther got some things right & some things wrong. He was not God. His opinions were just his opinions. He was not privy to all the information we have now, like the eyewitness testimony of 4 Christian astronauts that the earth is indeed a globe.

If you had watched the last video I posted with astronaut and church elder Barry Wilmore answering some questions, you would have noticed that he said emphatically that the earth is not flat. That’s something he knows to be a fact. It is not his opinion. He was also asked about evolution, to which he answered that evolution had a lot of holes in it. So he doesn’t believe it. That’s his opinion. See the difference?

According to his testimony and those of the three other Christian astronauts, Martin Luther was most definitely wrong on the earth not being a rotating globe. And those astronauts are the Lord’s own eyewitnesses to the true shape of the earth, Luther was not!

 

[Phil G]

Yes Phil you guessed right.
There are well over 200 verses in the Bible that support a flat stationary earth.

Ta da!!! Well you’re wrong! Go study!

 

[Apple Sky]

Ta da!!! Well you’re wrong! Go study!

If the Bible is as good as you say it is when studied in depth then I will - Thanks.

Where would you suggest I start ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes Phil you guessed right.
There are well over 200 verses in the Bible that support a flat stationary earth.

You mean that picture/photo that you post every so often, which you nicked off someone else and which you almost certainly haven't studied?
My guess is that, at best, something about the earth is mentioned.
I asked, "where is it taught"? Which verses say "where God made the earth he made it to be a wide, long disc shape/square with 4 corners/oblong?

 

[Strong in Him]

If you think that study takes the pleasure out of reading the Bible, then you are not growing in the faith. There is so much depth to Scripture that can encourage you beyond what you can even imagine.

I've read a few books recently by Jewish Christians which teach about the Jewish feasts, the concept of Messiah in the OT, how Jesus fulfilled OT passages, the meaning of various Hebrew words and so on. It's really interesting.

 

[Phil G]

If the Bible is as good as you say it is when studied in depth then I will - Thanks.

Where would you suggest I start ?

Eh, yes the Bible is as good as I say it is & even better, way beyond what I can possibly say!!! Why would you think otherwise? It is God’s word after all!

One of the gospels is always a good place to start. It’s what every new Christian is recommended to do. Pick Mark maybe. It's the shortest. You can start to read it with Bible reading notes which are designed to help new believers (so not too taxing) like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Read-Mark-Learn-John-Blanchard/dp/0852342349

Or there are some online commentaries like this:

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Mark Chapter 1

David Guzik commentary on Mark 1 describes the ministry of John the Baptist, and the beginning of Jesus' ministry in Galilee.

enduringword.com

But even if you don't use any commentary/notes, just slowly read through it. Don't rush it but pray that God reveals more about Himself to you as you read.

 

[Phil G]

I've read a few books recently by Jewish Christians which teach about the Jewish feasts, the concept of Messiah in the OT, how Jesus fulfilled OT passages, the meaning of various Hebrew words and so on. It's really interesting.

These really interest me. There is so much teaching within the biblical feasts that I long for it in church. Sadly it has yet to happen. I also love Messianic Jewish music like Joshua Aaron and the Messianic Jewish Alliance of Israel.

 

[Strong in Him]

Eh, yes the Bible is as good as I say it is & even better, way beyond what I can possibly say!!! Why would you think otherwise? It is God’s word after all!

One of the gospels is always a good place to start. It’s what every new Christian is recommended to do. Pick Mark maybe. It's the shortest.

Yes, Mark is great.

 

[Apple Sky]

Eh, yes the Bible is as good as I say it is & even better, way beyond what I can possibly say!!! Why would you think otherwise? It is God’s word after all!

One of the gospels is always a good place to start. It’s what every new Christian is recommended to do. Pick Mark maybe. It's the shortest. You can start to read it with Bible reading notes which are designed to help new believers (so not too taxing) like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Read-Mark-Learn-John-Blanchard/dp/0852342349

Or there are some online commentaries like this:

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Mark Chapter 1

David Guzik commentary on Mark 1 describes the ministry of John the Baptist, and the beginning of Jesus' ministry in Galilee.

enduringword.com

But even if you don't use any commentary/notes, just slowly read through it. Don't rush it but pray that God reveals more about Himself to you as you read.

Thanks for this

 

[Strong in Him]

These really interest me. There is so much teaching within the biblical feasts that I long for it in church. Sadly it has yet to happen. I also love Messianic Jewish music like Joshua Aaron and the Messianic Jewish Alliance of Israel.

I think I started with "Mysteries of the Messiah", by Rabbi Jason Sobel. I also have his 2nd book "signs and secrets of the Messiah".
"The Rock, the Road and the Rabbi" by Kathie Lee Gifford was good and there are a few books by Lois Tverberg; "Sitting at the feet of Rabbi Jesus", "Walking in the dust of Rabbi Jesus", "Reading the Bible with Rabbi Jesus" and "Listening to the language of the Bible". I have all of these, but haven't read all of them yet.

 

[Apple Sky]

I also love Messianic Jewish music

So do I

 

[Apple Sky]

Yes, Mark is great.

Then this is where I will begin my study, thanks you guys

 

[Phil G]

I think I started with "Mysteries of the Messiah", by Rabbi Jason Sobel. I also have his 2nd book "signs and secrets of the Messiah".
"The Rock, the Road and the Rabbi" by Kathie Lee Gifford was good and there are a few books by Lois Tverberg; "Sitting at the feet of Rabbi Jesus", "Walking in the dust of Rabbi Jesus", "Reading the Bible with Rabbi Jesus" and "Listening to the language of the Bible". I have all of these, but haven't read all of them yet.

Yes, I'm familiar with Jason Sobel & Kathie Lee Gifford from YouTube. Lois Tverberg is new to me. Thank you for the info!

 

[Phil G]

Then this is where I will begin my study, thanks you guys

Go for it!

 

[Phil G]

So do I

I can't get enough of it! Especially when the songs quote Scripture. It's like being enveloped with God's word!

 

[prodromos]

I can't get enough of it! Especially when the songs quote Scripture. It's like being enveloped with God's word!

Can I recommend you have a listen to the Valaam Monastery Choir? The monastery is on a small island in the middle of a lake near the Finland border, but despite its isolation, the monks sing a wide range of Eastern Orthodox chant, from simple Byzantine and Russian polyphonic, to the complex harmonies of Georgian chant, which are the direct descendants of Jewish chant.

 

[Phil G]

Can I recommend you have a listen to the Valaam Monastery Choir? The monastery is on a small island in the middle of a lake near the Finland border, but despite its isolation, the monks sing a wide range of Eastern Orthodox chant, from simple Byzantine and Russian polyphonic, to the complex harmonies of Georgian chant, which are the direct descendants of Jewish chant.

Thank you! I’ve listened to some ancient Jewish chant of Psalms from the Yemenite Jewish community & now I’ve just listened to some of Valaam Monastery chant and yes I can hear some ancient Jewish influences in there.

I love how the Lord uses music to reach into our very souls with His blessing!

 

[Phil G]

Interesting reunion video for some of the TFE team with updates and Q&A.

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[prodromos]

Oh dear, I just saw a clip of Pastor Dean Odle claiming that Satan disguised himself as the sun while the lads were all in Antarctica for TFE, so that the sun would "appear" to be visible for 24Hrs and deceive everyone there. How pathetic is this guy.

 

[SimplyMe]

Oh dear, I just saw a clip of Pastor Dean Odle claiming that Satan disguised himself as the sun while the lads were all in Antarctica for TFE, so that the sun would "appear" to be visible for 24Hrs and deceive everyone there. How pathetic is this guy.

Which also begs the question, why weren't their two suns at sunset and sunrise? Shouldn't they have recorded the actual sun setting and rising at the same time the "Satan sun" was staying higher in the sky? This idea of a "Satan sun" doesn't even make sense.