Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[MrMoe]

If a system isn’t predicated explicitly upon racial philosophies, it cannot be “racist”, regardless of the outcomes?

No. A system can have racists hidden within it but that doesn't make the system itself racist unless the system itself has racist laws. But that isn't the case. The LAPD is subject to anti-discrimination laws which include those prohibiting discrimination based on race, color, religion, national origin, and sex.

It must be to nice to be able to define a problem in such a way that the problem simply vanishes because it cannot fit one’s own definition.

Not my definition, the dictionary's.

Fortunately for the rest of us, this isn’t just up to you and your misconceptions.

Have you considered it's you that has the misconception?

 

[Bradskii]

No. A system can have racists hidden within it but that doesn't make the system itself racist unless the system itself has racist laws.

So parts of the system aren't working properly, which means that the system ends up giving less than optimum results. But hey, the system is just fine.

It's like saying that your car won't start but hey, it's not broken. Oh no, it's not broken. It's just that one of the pistons has cracked. But the car is working just fine.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favored white, Asian employees​

Google agreed to pay $28 million to settle a class action lawsuit claiming that it favored white and Asian employees by paying them more and putting them on higher career tracks than other workers.

Google spokesperson Courtenay Mencini confirmed the settlement on Tuesday, but said, “We continue to disagree with the allegations that we treated anyone differently, and remain committed to paying, hiring and leveling all employees fairly.”

The lawsuit was led by Ana Cantu, who identifies as Mexican and racially Indigenous, on behalf of Hispanic, Latinx, Indigenous, Native American, American Indian, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander and Alaska Native employees at Google.

Adams said the settlement came after Cantu’s lawyers agreed this month to exclude black employees from the proposed class, which Google had sought.

 

[Longing to kneel]

As long as sin remains in this world all these things will continue to exist.

 

[MrMoe]

So parts of the system aren't working properly, which means that the system ends up giving less than optimum results. But hey, the system is just fine.

It's like saying that your car won't start but hey, it's not broken. Oh no, it's not broken. It's just that one of the pistons has cracked. But the car is working just fine.

Cars have mechanics and the LAPD has anti discrimination laws.

 

[MrMoe]

Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favored white, Asian employees​

Google agreed to pay $28 million to settle a class action lawsuit claiming that it favored white and Asian employees by paying them more and putting them on higher career tracks than other workers.

Google spokesperson Courtenay Mencini confirmed the settlement on Tuesday, but said, “We continue to disagree with the allegations that we treated anyone differently, and remain committed to paying, hiring and leveling all employees fairly.”

The lawsuit was led by Ana Cantu, who identifies as Mexican and racially Indigenous, on behalf of Hispanic, Latinx, Indigenous, Native American, American Indian, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander and Alaska Native employees at Google.

Adams said the settlement came after Cantu’s lawyers agreed this month to exclude black employees from the proposed class, which Google had sought.

Still not seeing the systemic part of this alleged systemic racism.

 

[Bradskii]

...the LAPD has anti discrimination laws.

That's right. And those laws are used to fix systems when they are found not to be working properly.

 

[Pommer]

Still not seeing the systemic part of this alleged systemic racism.

If we were a racist society, how would we be able to tell if that was (indeed) the case?
(Note: this is a hypothetical, let’s assume that our society is “racist” rather than the usual knee-jerk response about how it isn’t.)

 

[DaisyDay]

Marines with Skin Condition Affecting Mostly Black Men Could Now Be Booted Under New Policy

A new Marine Corps policy says troops with a genetic skin condition that can cause pain and scarring from shaving and mainly affects Black men can be separated if the health issue persists.

www.military.com

Here is a new policy that will adversely affect mostly Black or African American soldiers. The policy itself is race neutral, but because of genetics, it will mostly affect Black men.

The policy is that Marines must be clean shaven, but some people have facial hair that tends to get ingrown when shaven too closely which leads to inflammation and dermatitis. Now, they could, and have been, given a waiver but in the name of conformity and uniformity, the administration is changing the policy to simply dismiss, honorably!, these marines.

 

[MrMoe]

That's right. And those laws are used to fix systems when they are found not to be working properly.

Those laws are part of the system.

 

[MrMoe]

If we were a racist society, how would we be able to tell if that was (indeed) the case?
(Note: this is a hypothetical, let’s assume that our society is “racist” rather than the usual knee-jerk response about how it isn’t.)

If we were a racist society we would have racist laws that discriminated against people based on race, segregated citizens based on race and the majority of the country's population would be okay with it.


What would a society without systemic racism look like? Racism would still exist in this hypothetical, I just want to know what a society without systemic racism would look like.

 

[Pommer]

If we were a racist society we would have racist laws that discriminated against people based on race, segregated citizens based on race and the majority of the country's population would be okay with it.

So before 1964 we were a racist country but now that the laws are race-neutral everything’s not racist?

What would a society without systemic racism look like? Racism would still exist in this hypothetical, I just want to know what a society without systemic racism would look like.

Why are outcomes different in criminal-justice settings, if the defendants are BIPOC?

 

[Bradskii]

Those laws are part of the system.

They are are part of a different system. There are no more racist laws. But people are still racist. Either as individuals or as part of a system. The laws are there, not to prevent people from being racists - you can't legislate against that, but to fix sytems in which those people operate.

 

[MrMoe]

So before 1964 we were a racist country but now that the laws are race-neutral everything’s not racist?

Before, America was a systemically racist country but now that the laws are race-neutral it's no longer systemically racist. Racism still exists and will always exist. It's just not baked into the system like it was before.

Why are outcomes different in criminal-justice settings, if the defendants are BIPOC?

It could be several different reasons.

Prior criminal history.
Substance abuse issues.
Witness or evidence availability.
Socioeconomic statues.
Education level.
Geographic location.
Nature of the offence.
Quality of legal representation.
Plea bargaining decisions.

Some seem to only want to accept one explanation (racism).

 

[Pommer]

Before, America was a systemically racist country but now that the laws are race-neutral it's no longer systemically racist. Racism still exists and will always exist. It's just not baked into the system like it was before.




It could be several different reasons.

Prior criminal history.
Substance abuse issues.
Witness or evidence availability.
Socioeconomic statues.
Education level.
Geographic location.
Nature of the offence.
Quality of legal representation.
Plea bargaining decisions.

Some seem to only want to accept one explanation (racism).

Why must we eliminate all the various possibilities before considering if the systems are systemically racist?

 

[MrMoe]

Why must we eliminate all the various possibilities before considering if the systems are systemically racist?

To eliminate the possibility of a misinterpretation before we assume the worst.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Federal Investigators Were Preparing Two Texas Housing Discrimination Cases — Until Trump Took Over​

In one investigation, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development concluded that a Texas state agency had steered $1 billion in disaster mitigation money away from Houston and nearby communities of color after Hurricane Harvey inundated the region in 2017. In another investigation, HUD found that a homeowners association outside of Dallas had created rules to kick poor Black people out of their neighborhood.

The episodes amounted to egregious violations of civil rights laws, officials at the housing agency believed — enough to warrant litigation against the alleged culprits. That, at least, was the view during the presidency of Joe Biden. After the Trump administration took over, HUD quietly took steps that will likely kill both cases, according to three officials familiar with the matter.

[In the Houston case] HUD sent the money to a state agency called the Texas General Land Office, which awarded the first $1 billion in funding to communities affected by Harvey through a grant competition.

The result: Of that initial $1 billion, Houston — where nearly half of all homes were damaged by the hurricane — received nothing. Neither did Harris County, where Houston is located, or other coastal areas with large minority populations.

HUD launched an investigation into the competition in 2021, ultimately finding that GLO had discriminated on the basis of race and national origin, thereby violating Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and possibly the Fair Housing Act as well.

On Jan. 15, HUD referred the Houston case to the Department of Justice, a necessary step to a federal lawsuit after the housing agency finds evidence of discrimination. Less than a month later, on Feb. 13, the agency rescinded its referral without public explanation. HUD did the same with the Dallas case not long after.

Sara Pratt, a former HUD official and an attorney for complainants in both Texas cases. “The message is: The federal government no longer takes housing discrimination seriously.”

HUD spokesperson Kasey Lovett disagreed, saying there was precedent for the rescinded referrals, which were done to gather more facts and scrutinize the investigations. “We’re taking a fresh look at Biden Administration policies, regulations, and cases. These cases are no exception,” Lovett said in a statement.

 

[Pommer]

To eliminate the possibility of a misinterpretation before we assume the worst.

And miss fixing problems because instead of looking under the couch, we look on the kitchen counters because the light is better in there?
Brilliant.

 

[MrMoe]

Federal Investigators Were Preparing Two Texas Housing Discrimination Cases — Until Trump Took Over​

In one investigation, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development concluded that a Texas state agency had steered $1 billion in disaster mitigation money away from Houston and nearby communities of color after Hurricane Harvey inundated the region in 2017. In another investigation, HUD found that a homeowners association outside of Dallas had created rules to kick poor Black people out of their neighborhood.

The episodes amounted to egregious violations of civil rights laws, officials at the housing agency believed — enough to warrant litigation against the alleged culprits. That, at least, was the view during the presidency of Joe Biden. After the Trump administration took over, HUD quietly took steps that will likely kill both cases, according to three officials familiar with the matter.

[In the Houston case] HUD sent the money to a state agency called the Texas General Land Office, which awarded the first $1 billion in funding to communities affected by Harvey through a grant competition.

The result: Of that initial $1 billion, Houston — where nearly half of all homes were damaged by the hurricane — received nothing. Neither did Harris County, where Houston is located, or other coastal areas with large minority populations.

HUD launched an investigation into the competition in 2021, ultimately finding that GLO had discriminated on the basis of race and national origin, thereby violating Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and possibly the Fair Housing Act as well.

On Jan. 15, HUD referred the Houston case to the Department of Justice, a necessary step to a federal lawsuit after the housing agency finds evidence of discrimination. Less than a month later, on Feb. 13, the agency rescinded its referral without public explanation. HUD did the same with the Dallas case not long after.

Sara Pratt, a former HUD official and an attorney for complainants in both Texas cases. “The message is: The federal government no longer takes housing discrimination seriously.”

HUD spokesperson Kasey Lovett disagreed, saying there was precedent for the rescinded referrals, which were done to gather more facts and scrutinize the investigations. “We’re taking a fresh look at Biden Administration policies, regulations, and cases. These cases are no exception,” Lovett said in a statement.

Another great example of the system systemically fighting against racism. Good work.

 

[MrMoe]

And miss fixing problems because instead of looking under the couch, we look on the kitchen counters because the light is better in there?
Brilliant.

We look on the kitchen counters not because "the light is better in there" but because that's were the problems might actually be instead of under the couch as was assumed.

You seem to struggle with challenging your preconceptions.