Trump’s Defense Secretary Accidentally Texted War Plans to The Atlantic: ‘I Didn’t Think It Could Be Real,’ Editor Says

[iluvatar5150]

Is there any proof of the accusation?

The White House has confirmed that it happened:

https://x.com/PressSec/status/1904512527699968437

The OP includes a link to the original article at the Atlantic::

The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans

U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat about upcoming military strikes in Yemen. I didn’t think it could be real. Then the bombs started falling.

www.theatlantic.com

You can get past the paywall by pasting that link into:

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The screenshot images won't come through at first. For those, you have to right-click and select "open in new tab."

 

[mark46]

And Trump's absconding with hundreds of boxes of secrets didn't put US lives in jeopardy?

nowhere close

 

[Fantine]

We have no idea what he might have shared.

 

[Belk]

What? They use Signal? The more paranoid of my progressive friends have changed to Signal and proton.me email to protect themselves from people like them!

It is a fine app for consumer level. We have it blocked on our devices as we have no way to retrieve the data for retention.

 

[Say it aint so]

Steve Wifkoff, Trump's envoy to Russia was in Moscow at the time Signal chats were being sent to him.

According to footage posted of his motorcade leaving and returning to Moscow's Vnukovo airport, he was here for little more than 12 hours.​

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Mr (Steve) Witkoff, a former property mogul who has become Donald Trump's chief negotiator, and is often referred to as the president's 'fixer', had been dispatched to Moscow to deliver the US proposal for a 30-day ceasefire to Vladimir Putin. --HERE​

Rule #1A, B, and C, when American officials travel to Russia, your movement and devices are being monitored.

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[mark46]

We have no idea what he might have shared.

Sure, Trump might have shared information with many others, including foreign friends and leaders.

I don't think that this is strongly related to the fact of the location of the boxes in the White House or at his home in FL. Trump shares information that he shouldn't. Of course, pursuant to the US decision, there is no accountability for that.

In this case, we are NOT talking about those with presidential immunity. In addition, here we are discussing targets in a war, two hours before the action. This is much different than Trump casually sharing information to many in the White House or at his home.

 

[pgp_protector]

 

[essentialsaltes]

Cribbed from Reddit (paraphrased): "If Tulsi was on the thread, OPSEC was already compromised."

Transparency!

Gabbard declines to say whether she participated in group chat discussing Yemen strikes​

“Senator, I don’t want to get into this,” Gabbard responded when questioned by Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Sen. Mark Warner about whether she was involved in the conversation. She said she didn’t want to discuss the matter while it was under review by the National Security Council.

CIA Director John Ratcliffe, meanwhile, admitted he was involved in the chat. But he said that his part of the conversation was “entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.”

Pete! John says your bus is here!

 

[Say it aint so]

nowhere close

Not the Mar A Largo Trump face to face telling a foreign nationalist nuclear sub top secrets. However, when Trump boasted top secrets to Russians in the White House of all places, Israel had to scramble and remove an asset they had embedded inside ISIS in Syria. So yes, lives were put in danger.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

 

[mark46]

Not the Mar A Largo Trump face to face telling a foreign nationalist nuclear sub top secrets. However, when Trump boasted top secrets to Russians in the White House of all places, Israel had to scramble and remove an asset they had embedded inside ISIS in Syria. So yes, lives were put in danger.

I am not being clear. Of course, Trump has shared many, many, many secrets with foreign governments. I just think the fact that papers were stored in a bathroom in FL instead of the White House affected this fact very little. Trump sharing of classified information and/or of information that could hurt our troops, CIA agents and country WAS NOT and IS NOT related to where papers are stored. Trump finds ways independent of location.

 

[Say it aint so]

I am not being clear. Of course, Trump has shared many, many, many secrets with foreign governments. I just think the fact that papers were stored in a bathroom in FL instead of the White House affected this fact very little. Trump sharing of classified information and/or of information that could hurt our troops, CIA agents and country WAS NOT and IS NOT related to where papers are stored. Trump finds ways independent of location.

Got it. Understood. Yet rather than saying it affected very little, I would say the affect is unknown. Mar A Largo is not the best place to be storing anything. And spies, I think six of them we know of, have a history of hanging out there.

 

[wing2000]

Transparency!

Gabbard declines to say whether she participated in group chat discussing Yemen strikes​

“Senator, I don’t want to get into this,” Gabbard responded when questioned by Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Sen. Mark Warner about whether she was involved in the conversation. She said she didn’t want to discuss the matter while it was under review by the National Security Council.

CIA Director John Ratcliffe, meanwhile, admitted he was involved in the chat. But he said that his part of the conversation was “entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.”

Pete! John says your bus is here!

Clip from the SIC hearing:

DNI Gabbard: "There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal chat."

Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) questions DNI Gabbard and CIA Director Ratcliffe and FBI Director Patel about the Signal chat. DNI Gabbard: "There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal chat." Sen. Warner: "If there was no classified material share it with the committee. You can't...

www.c-span.org

 

[wing2000]

How could that information not be classified?

 

[essentialsaltes]

How could that information not be classified?

CNN provided this context, which may be what they're leaning on.

Patel declines to say if FBI will investigate if national security information was leaked in Signal chat​

“Director Patel, has the FBI launched any investigation of this?” Warner asked.
Patel responded, “I was just briefed about it late last night, this morning. I don’t have an update.” Warner asked for an update “by the end of the day.”
Some context: Under normal circumstances, the FBI and Justice Department would launch an investigation into whether classified information was shared without authorization — a criminal offense. But the leaders on the Signal chat have original classification authority, meaning that they can downgrade classification level at any point and say that there was no legal violation.

 

[Say it aint so]

CNN provided this context, which may be what they're leaning on.

Patel declines to say if FBI will investigate if national security information was leaked in Signal chat​

“Director Patel, has the FBI launched any investigation of this?” Warner asked.
Patel responded, “I was just briefed about it late last night, this morning. I don’t have an update.” Warner asked for an update “by the end of the day.”
Some context: Under normal circumstances, the FBI and Justice Department would launch an investigation into whether classified information was shared without authorization — a criminal offense. But the leaders on the Signal chat have original classification authority, meaning that they can downgrade classification level at any point and say that there was no legal violation.

Everyone raise their hands if they believe the Trump FBI has plans to investigate this.

 

[mark46]

How could that information not be classified?

If Trump decides that information is not classified, then it is not classified.

Apparently, others can also make that determination. In this case, perhaps that determination has been made retroactively.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How could that information not be classified?

Haha

King encouraged Gabbard to release the entire text stream, parts of which The Atlantic withheld because of the sensitivity of some of the messages, “so that the public can have a view of what actually transpired” in the conversation.

Hey, if it's not classified, spill the beans!

 

[mark46]

If the information is classified, then several folks have lied (not unusual).

If the information is NOT classified, it should be provided to the committee, or perhaps to a subset of the committee in closed session.

If the information is NOT classified, then surely it can find its way into a book after our involvement in the Houti War is over.

 

[wing2000]

If Trump decides that information is not classified, then it is not classified.

Apparently, others can also make that determination. In this case, perhaps that determination has been made retroactively.

Trump stated yesterday that he had no knowledge of the group chat. Gabbard stated the incident was under review by the NSC....(or that's her cover story anyway).