Tesla vehicles vandalized across US since Musk began White House role

[7thKeeper]

I believe sentiments such as yours might be the majority of Europe. Hopefully US links with Europe can eventually be dissolved.

Because Elon is getting trolled? Wow, overreaction much?

 

[trophy33]

Hopefully US links with Europe can eventually be dissolved.

Replacing them with links with whom?

 

[Merrill]

No, that is not what I have said. Political violence is unacceptable regardless of who is committing it. We saw political violence from the left throughout 2020, yet no one was punished for those actions. We also witnessed political violence from the right on January 6th, where individuals were arrested and prosecuted under United States law but were pardoned on the first day of this administration. Last summer, we saw political violence across universities, resulting in class closures and disrupted graduation ceremonies, but no one faced consequences. Currently, we are witnessing political violence at Tesla stores.

I support protest, rally, political debate, and criticism, but violence is unacceptable regardless of the political ideology involved. Anyone who commits a crime must face the consequences.

The Jan 6th protestors were "made an example of" by zealous, partisan prosectors.

Now they should absolutely have been charged with trespass, vandalism, or assault (the ones who tangled with cops)

but the "seditious conspiracy" charges were a stretch: the protestors were not armed, did not intend to take over the government, or launch a coup. They interfered with the functions of congress yes, but were not launching some kind of violent revolution.

by going overboard in the charges against these guys, it sent a message to the public that protesting our government will get you thrown into jail forever. Trump as justified in commuting the sentences of some of these guys.

 

[essentialsaltes]

but the "seditious conspiracy" charges were a stretch

The juries thought otherwise, although very few people were charged with this. Just the ones who deserved it.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Elaine C. Kamarck is a political scientist and scholar noted for her ability to combine real life experience in politics with academic research. She has a PhD in political science and has worked at the Democratic National Committee and in several presidential campaigns.

Cool. So, not an annoying internet troll billionaire looking to cut funding to vital services to the public while taking in billions in government subsidies for their companies.

Got it.

 

[Merrill]

The juries thought otherwise, although very few people were charged with this. Just the ones who deserved it.

yes, but the teachers and left-wing activists who stormed the Wisconsin capitol building and disrupted proceedings, threatened lawmakers, etc. weren't charged with anything

2011 Wisconsin protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so I guess it is "seditious conspiracy" only when you are a right-winger yes?

is that how the law is going to be interpreted going forward?

the left riots all over the country in 2020, burns police stations, shoots people in the streets, causes hundreds of millions in property damage, while Democratic lawmakers cheer it on. And this comes after the storming of the Wisconsin capitol

so you tell me who is "sending the message" that this type of behavior is acceptable

 

[GoldenBoy89]

yes, but the teachers and left-wing activists who stormed the Wisconsin capitol building and disrupted proceedings, threatened lawmakers, etc. weren't charged with anything

2011 Wisconsin protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so I guess it is "seditious conspiracy" only when you are a right-winger yes?

is that how the law is going to be interpreted going forward?

the left riots all over the country in 2020, burns police stations, shoots people in the streets, causes hundreds of millions in property damage, while Democratic lawmakers cheer it on. And this comes after the storming of the Wisconsin capitol

so you tell me who is "sending the message" that this type of behavior is acceptable

Sounds like everybody is.

 

[Belk]

yes, but the teachers and left-wing activists who stormed the Wisconsin capitol building and disrupted proceedings, threatened lawmakers, etc. weren't charged with anything

2011 Wisconsin protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so I guess it is "seditious conspiracy" only when you are a right-winger yes?

is that how the law is going to be interpreted going forward?

the left riots all over the country in 2020, burns police stations, shoots people in the streets, causes hundreds of millions in property damage, while Democratic lawmakers cheer it on. And this comes after the storming of the Wisconsin capitol

so you tell me who is "sending the message" that this type of behavior is acceptable

Perhaps it was because they developed plans to overturn the free and fair election of the US so the two cases are in no way parallel?

 

[essentialsaltes]

yes, but the teachers and left-wing activists...

Left the public areas of the building peaceably after a court order. Maybe the Trump Administration should look into obeying court orders.

 

[BPPLEE]

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@GadSaad


Dear
@billburr
, I hear that
@elonmusk
is working on restoring mobility to disabled patients and restoring sight to blind people via his work with
@neuralink
. Is there a way that you can appear on one of the late night shows to explain to the Great Unwashed how this is part of his Nazi takeover? Thank you.

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't know any MAGA people who own Teslas. The left are vandalizing the left.

 

[Merrill]

Perhaps it was because they developed plans to overturn the free and fair election of the US so the two cases are in no way parallel?

and how are the cases in no way parallel?

Both groups:

1. Interfered with legislative proceedings
2. trespassed
3. tried to use coercive tactics to influence political objectives

pretty clear that these situations are very similar

 

[Merrill]

Left the public areas of the building peaceably after a court order. Maybe the Trump Administration should look into obeying court orders.

yeah, after they occupied the capitol for two weeks vs. a few hours by the Jan 6th people

but that is not even the point

I was illustrating another example of left-wing hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty

 

[essentialsaltes]

and how are the cases in no way parallel?

Both groups:

1. Interfered with legislative proceedings

The legislative proceedings were delayed because Democratic lawmakers left town, preventing a quorum.

 

[Merrill]

The legislative proceedings were delayed because Democratic lawmakers left town, preventing a quorum.

and if they had been in town, the mob would have prevented the proceedings

like I am pretty sure that is literally why they were there

 

[essentialsaltes]

and if they had been in town, the mob would have prevented the proceedings

Nonsense. The 'mob' was protesting in the public rotunda. Not pooping in the chamber.

 

[Belk]

and how are the cases in no way parallel?

Both groups:

1. Interfered with legislative proceedings

No they didn't, the lawmakers were not there for a quorum.

2. trespassed

Does the statehouse have the same laws that the capitol has?

3. tried to use coercive tactics to influence political objectives

Protest is now coercive tactics?

pretty clear that these situations are very similar

No, not really.

 

[Bradskii]

Guys, I think we all agree that if you wanted to protest against Musk then if you wanted to do that by burning a Tesla then go burn your own Tesla. Or park it in Times Square and charge people a dollar a minute to go to town on it with a sledgehammer or a can of paint. Maybe someone can set up a Tesla Ranch next to the Cadillac one and make it a permanent reminder of what the guy is doing. But we all agree that violence and destruction of property is wrong. Period.

This thread is in the political section of the forum. But there's not a lot of politics being discussed. It's not a debate. All I see is point scoring. I'm sure there'll be another one along shortly...

 

[Always in His Presence]

Someone just named the terrorist attacks Telsanacht.

Seems appropriate - have a political opponent - use violence and intimidation to silence him - then rejoice when his business and all his employees suffer.

Is this really the type of politics we want applauded and used?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Someone just named the terrorist attacks Telsanacht.

Terrorist attacks??

Holy hyperbole Batman!

That “someone” needs a little historical perspective. It was the ultranationalist right wing government that scapegoated ethnic minorities in power at the time that carried out that targeted pogrom against the Jews. To compare a few inconvenienced Tesla owners whose cars were set on fire before the car had a chance to burst into flames on its own, to viciously persecuted Jews in 1930s Germany says a lot about this certain “someone”.