How long does it take to figure out what doctrine to believe?

[FutureAndAHope]

If you were correct I would not be saved.

As it is, I am a prodigal son having been given a second chance.

Like the believer excommunicated by Paul was later restored.

The bible is not saying prodigals can not be restored. The bible shows in many places that even if we sin God will give us a second chance. But the bible is also clear people who are believers can fall away if they persistently give into the lower nature.

 

[Hoping2]

That is not the same thing.

OK.

One can hardly have joyous expectation of God honouring promises of salvation and have fear of hell at the same time.

What I am tomorrow may be different than what I am today.
If I go off the narrow path, my destruction is assured.
Fear of hell is tantamount to fear of God.

Perfect love casts out all fear.
In fact faith in God destroys the fear of death and eternal punishment.

Would perfect knowledge of all things electrical make you quit fearing electrocution ?
I think the loss of fear of those things is a bad mistake.
It breeds over confidence, and sloth.

24 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, 25 to the only God, our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen.

Amen to that.
Are you sin free too ?

 

[Hoping2]

Where in the Scripture does it say that? One becomes saved the moment Jesus Christ says 'your sins are forgiven'.

Matt 7:22-23..."Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Matt 25:45-46..."Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mark 10:30..."But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."
Rom 2:7..."To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"

I noticed you didn't supply the verses that state your case.

Let's have a look at what happened at the cross.
Jesus Christ died and paid for sins of every believer. Either Christ is your Saviour, He washed your sins, paid for them fully, He reconciles you to God...or He did not.
This does not depend on us, but on God alone. There's nothing we can do about it, only to pray God to have mercy on us.

Our past sins can indeed be remitted; but it is up to us not to commit any more sin.
Ananias and Sapphira lost what they initially were given. (Acts 5)

 

[FutureAndAHope]

If you were correct I would not be saved.

As it is, I am a prodigal son having been given a second chance.

Like the believer excommunicated by Paul was later restored.

For the sake of clarity, neither of the two verses I provided says person can not come back to God, after a Prodigal season:

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. (NKJV, Hebrews 6:4-6)​

What it does say: A person who is enlightened, has tasted the heavenly gift, and become partakers of the Holy Spirit can fall away.

What it does not say: Hebrews does not mean a person who has slipped into sin can not repent, although it initially seems that way. But if you look carefully it says that such a person is "crucifying Christ again", but the reality is the cross covers a lifetime of sins. So the only way to crucify Christ again is to die in your sins.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.​

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A DOG RETURNS TO HIS OWN VOMIT,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” (NKJV, 2 Peter 2:20-22)​

What it does say: A person who has escaped the pollution of the world by knowledge of Jesus Christ, can lose their salvation, by being entangled again in sin and overcome by it.

What it does not say: It does not say a person can not be restored if they fall into sin, only if their sin "overcomes" them.

As a side note Paul did believe we can be turned away from faith:

Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.​

 

[Carl Emerson]

The bible is not saying prodigals can not be restored. The bible shows in many places that even if we sin God will give us a second chance. But the bible is also clear people who are believers can fall away if they persistently give into the lower nature.

It depends on your interpretation of Heb 6.

As with all Pauls letters the audience was the church which had wheat and tares.

Heb 6 was a warning to the tares.

True believers (wheat) are sealed against falling away.

Rom 8

33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 Just as it is written,
“For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jer 32
38 They shall be My people, and I will be their God; 39 and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me always, for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Matt 7:22-23..."Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

These are people who confess to be Christians, but never had the living faith. He never knew them, because they were not His.

Matt 25:45-46..."Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

No one can get into heaven by doing deeds. The only way is Christ. Don't you know our deeds are filthy rags?
The righteous will live by faith.
As it is written: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast". Ephesians 2:8-9

I noticed you didn't supply the verses that state your case.

I explained what happened on the cross.

But here are some verses: And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. John 6 39

He will lose none. If salvation could be lost, He would lose some.

John 10 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me,[a] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Who will snatch them from Father's hands? No one. It's not possible.

Our past sins can indeed be remitted; but it is up to us not to commit any more sin.

Absolutely not. What are you saying here is that Jesus' death was not perfect, as it has no power to save from all sin. What you are saying is that Jesus did not fully satisfy God's wrath. What you are saying is that Christ did not pay fully for the elect, and the sins were paid partially, thus God's wrath still remains. But that is not Biblical.

Christ's sacrifice was perfect. He fully satisfied God's wrath, and paid for every sin of every believer. There is no more condemnation for those in Christ. Who says otherwise needs to go back to the cross.

No Christian lives a perfect sinless life. 1 John 1 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us....John here means us, Christians. Look at David or Abraham for example. They sinned even when they were saved.

Salvation is not up to our efforts, as you say, but on God alone who has mercy on whom He will.

People who say salvation can be lost are saying to the Father that sending His Son was not enough. They are saying to Christ who gave everything He had, Himself, was not enough. Good luck with that infront of God.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

It depends on your interpretation of Heb 6.

As with all Pauls letters the audience was the church which had wheat and tares.

Heb 6 was a warning to the tares.

True believers (wheat) are sealed against falling away.

Rom 8

33 Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 Just as it is written,
“For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jer 32
38 They shall be My people, and I will be their God; 39 and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me always, for their own good and for the good of their children after them. 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

Hi Carl,

The Bible is clear in both passages I provided that the people who fell away were believers. Calvinism is totally illogical. Why would God temporarily give the Holy Spirit to a person, only to force them back into sin, so he can punish them more severely, just because they were not His sheep to begin with?

I respect what you have accomplished in your walk with God, but I do not respect the doctrine you follow. It is not the nature of God to do these illogical things.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Bible is clear in both passages I provided that the people who fell away were believers. Calvinism is totally illogical. Why would God temporarily give the Holy Spirit to a person, only to force them back into sin, so he can punish them more severely, just because they were not His sheep to begin with?

Because they were not given the Holy Spirit - They benefitted from the presence of God in fellowship, and the blessings that go with sanctification in fellowship but never fully committed and became born again.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Because they were not given the Holy Spirit - They benefitted from the presence of God in fellowship, and the blessings that go with sanctification in fellowship but never fully committed and became born again.

The Bible makes it clear they had the Holy Spirit. It was more than fellowship.

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A DOG RETURNS TO HIS OWN VOMIT,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” (NKJV, 2 Peter 2:20-22)​

This shows that the person was initially freed from sin, by the knowledge of Jesus, the only way to be free from sin is by the Holy Spirit. It shows they lost that freedom, and were overcome by sin, hence lost.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. (NKJV, Hebrews 6:4-6)​

Hebrews 6 states the person was, enlightened, tasted the Heavenly Gift, and became partakers of the Holy Spirit. It is clear they had the Holy Spirit.

1Co 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.​

​

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I want to find out whether eternal security is really true. I want to believe yes. There are people however who claim to have lost their faith, they say it was due to sin and they can no longer believe anymore even if they want to. That is concerning to hear, and also then there are those who simply just stopped believing.

How can we believe in eternal security with these kind of testimony?

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.

The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
(James 5:19-20). ​

This reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible provides examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost. Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,
"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14).

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The Bible makes it clear they had the Holy Spirit. It was more than fellowship.

That is your interpretation.

No where is it stated that they had become born again and received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Hoping2]

These are people who confess to be Christians, but never had the living faith. He never knew them, because they were not His.

That is right, no "sinner" is His.

No one can get into heaven by doing deeds. The only way is Christ. Don't you know our deeds are filthy rags?
The righteous will live by faith.
As it is written: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast". Ephesians 2:8-9

No one will get to heaven without doing some deeds.
Without repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and enduring faithfully until the end, no man will be saved.

I explained what happened on the cross.
But here are some verses: And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. John 6 39
He will lose none. If salvation could be lost, He would lose some.

There are many that say they are of Him, but they betray themselves by their actions.

John 10 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me,[a] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
Who will snatch them from Father's hands? No one. It's not possible.

Correct.
But those pretending to be in His hands, fall like raindrops.

Absolutely not. What are you saying here is that Jesus' death was not perfect, as it has no power to save from all sin. What you are saying is that Jesus did not fully satisfy God's wrath. What you are saying is that Christ did not pay fully for the elect, and the sins were paid partially, thus God's wrath still remains. But that is not Biblical.

Jesus' death and suffering were perfect.
Perfect enough to keep us from falling out of His hands.
There are no liars, thieves, or adulterers, in His hands.

Christ's sacrifice was perfect. He fully satisfied God's wrath, and paid for every sin of every believer. There is no more condemnation for those in Christ. Who says otherwise needs to go back to the cross.

Correct.
Are there liars, thieves, and adulterers, in Christ ?
No.

No Christian lives a perfect sinless life. 1 John 1 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us....John here means us, Christians. Look at David or Abraham for example. They sinned even when they were saved.

Some walk in the light, which is God, in whom is no darkness. (1 John 1:7)
They have been cleansed of all (past) sin !
By remaining in God, we can keep resisting every temptation.

Salvation is not up to our efforts, as you say, but on God alone who has mercy on whom He will.

It is written..."But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." (Heb 10:39)
I'ld say we do have to make the effort.

People who say salvation can be lost are saying to the Father that sending His Son was not enough. They are saying to Christ who gave everything He had, Himself, was not enough. Good luck with that in front of God.

It wasn't enough to make them change their ways.
That requires a real love for God.
Real love, has power to do anything.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hebrews 6 states the person was, enlightened, tasted the Heavenly Gift, and became partakers of the Holy Spirit. It is clear they had the Holy Spirit.

Externally yes...

Internally NO.

The problem with your position is that it doesn't account for a prodigal return, in fact it states that such a second repentance is impossible.

Your position also denies the saving power of Jesus to keep true believers according to His promise.

Your 'Gospel' is to be saved and fear Hell. That is the very fear that Love casts out.

My Gospel is to be saved and fear God. That is a reverence for God and does not refer to a fear of punishment.

The celebration of salvation is fundamental to evangelism.

You have a choice - fear Hell or fear God.

If you fear God because you are indwelled by Him, you never have to worry about Hell.

Your theology is like a curse on the elect to remove their joy and confidence.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

That is right, no "sinner" is His.

We are all sinners deserving of hell. It is God that saves, we have 0 part on this.

1 John 1 8 'If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' John here us talking here about Christians If you say you have no sin, you are a liar. A life of a Christian is a life of constant repentance.

No one will get to heaven without doing some deeds.

You think you can add deeds to the perfect salvation of Christ? Nothing gets added to Christ. What have you done for Christ to come on cross? Nothing. If you are adding deeds, it is no longer grace. It is 100% Christ 0% us.

You teach what every false religion teaches. Do this, do that , and God will surely accept you.

Luke 23:39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him,[d] saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
What deeds did the saved criminal do? None

They have been cleansed of all (past) sin !

Absolutely not! If we were only cleansed of past sins, then we all go to hell. Christ paid for all our sins. If he did not, if He only paid for some, we are going to hell. Go back to cross to see what happened.

That requires a real love for God.

Genesis 6 5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Our hearts are evil, there is no good in them for God to desire. What love for God? We have none. That's why Christ came. It is by His righteousness we are saved, not ours, we have none. You break one God's command, you break them all.

Romans 9 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
It does not depend on us who is saved, but it depends on God alone.

The only evidence of Salvation is the Holy Spirit. Only the Holy Spirit can produce fruit in us.

 

[Hoping2]

We are all sinners deserving of hell. It is God that saves, we have 0 part on this.

Why would anyone reman a sinner when Jesus has made a way to be a non-sinner ?

1 John 1 8 'If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' John here us talking here about Christians If you say you have no sin, you are a liar. A life of a Christian is a life of constant repentance.

That verse, and verses 6 and 10, are addressing those who walk in darkness...which Pro 4:19 says "is the way of the wicked".
Those obedient to God, are addressed in verses 5, 7, and 9...of1 John 1.

You think you can add deeds to the perfect salvation of Christ? Nothing gets added to Christ. What have you done for Christ to come on cross? Nothing. If you are adding deeds, it is no longer grace. It is 100% Christ 0% us.

We have our part to play, in the greatest story ever told.
Even a birthday gift requires a receiver of that gift.

You teach what every false religion teaches. Do this, do that , and God will surely accept you.

False religions teach that you can disobey God and still receive eternal life.
I don't teach anything like that.

Luke 23:39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him,[d] saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
What deeds did the saved criminal do? None

He acknowledged Jesus as Lord, and he accepted his crucifixion as his atonement for his sin.
He experienced physically what we can now do Spiritually, through water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.

Absolutely not! If we were only cleansed of past sins, then we all go to hell.

More sin would just manifest a false repentance from sin.
We can't forge a relationship with God that is based on lies.

Christ paid for all our sins. If he did not, if He only paid for some, we are going to hell. Go back to cross to see what happened.

He paid for the sins committed up to the time of your baptism.

Genesis 6 5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Our hearts are evil, there is no good in them for God to desire. What love for God? We have none. That's why Christ came. It is by His righteousness we are saved, not ours, we have none. You break one God's command, you break them all.

Thanks be to God for changing that, through rebirth from His seed.

Romans 9 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
It does not depend on us who is saved, but it depends on God alone.
The only evidence of Salvation is the Holy Spirit. Only the Holy Spirit can produce fruit in us.

The Holy Spirit will not reside in a polluted temple.
Who is responsible for the wicked fruit ?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I want to find out whether eternal security is really true. I want to believe yes. There are people however who claim to have lost their faith, they say it was due to sin and they can no longer believe anymore even if they want to. That is concerning to hear, and also then there are those who simply just stopped believing.

How can we believe in eternal security with these kind of testimony?

I made these two videos on this subject. I’m planning to make more soon. The first explains 2 Timothy 2:11-13 which is in my opinion the strongest passage against eternal security.

The second video explains why John 6:37-40 can’t be interpreted to support eternal security.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I want to find out whether eternal security is really true. I want to believe yes. There are people however who claim to have lost their faith, they say it was due to sin and they can no longer believe anymore even if they want to. That is concerning to hear, and also then there are those who simply just stopped believing.

How can we believe in eternal security with these kind of testimony?

We really can’t base our theology on these kinds of situations because we can’t know the heart of another individual. What we can do is look to the scriptures for answers and the answers to this question is taught in them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Look at the cross and see what Jesus done there, and you will know salvation cannot be lost.

How one knows they are saved? Matthew 7 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

The only evidence of salvation is the Holy Spirit. By the fruit of the Spirit one knows. Do you produce fruit?

As for others, sometimes you can tell, but many times you won't.

For example, someone who confesses to be a Christian but then lives the sames sinful life as before, is not saved, becuase the Spirit transforms the believer who in time resembles Christ more and more.

Paul wrote to Timothy and said “ If we deny Him, He will deny us”.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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It is simple if a person believes they can lose their Eternal Life salvation. Then they are attempting to gain salvation by works. Which Christianity is full of these type of people.

No that’s just a false accusation. We have to remain steadfast in our faith not turning away from our hope in the gospel. In other words we have to continue to believe and not turning away away from Christ. That has nothing to do with works.

 

[BNR32FAN]

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. "

~ Jesus
(John 5:24)

If we deny Him, He will deny us 2 Timothy 2:12