Woman in Woman's Restroom in Tucson Walmart confronted by sheriff's deputies; One deputy insisted she “looked like a man”

[BPPLEE]

Irs interesting that more people arw upset about this than an actual man getting naked in womens locker rooms.

In a sense the law in this instance is really irrelevant. Let's say for arguments sake there was a law against a man using the women's room.

This STILL could have happened.

There is a LOT missing in this story.

1. Did the officers really order her out of the stalls? Or is she making that up.

2. Did the officers check her ID?

3. Why were the officers using flashlights. Were they really? Restrooms usually have enough light that you dont need flashlights. You can see that in the video.

4. The officers don't seem all that agitated over this despite her claims of their banging on the door and ordering her out. And they are wearing body cams. So let's see the whole incident and not 10 seconds of it.

5. Did the store ask her to leave or did they just see her go in and report it. The store should have gone in and checked to see if everything was okay. They should if they think a man was going into the lady's room. Why's he going in when there a perfectly good men's room? Is he about to commit a crime?

You know good and well this isn't the first time in the history of law enforcement that someone reported a suspicious male entering the womens room.

She lifted up her shirt? They certainly didn't ask her to. Nordid they check her genitalia or ask to.

Some wondered about checking ID. How do we know they didn't?

Look, if you are.trying to look like a man and enter the womens room you should be checked out. How does anyone know you aren't one? Part of this is on her. Because we KNOW for a fact that men HAVE assaulted women in the lady's room.

There was a female bodybuilder, I can't remember her name but she was bigger and more muscular than most men. This happened to her but the officer ended up putting her in a chokehold, it was a big story in bodybuilding circles. She ended up suing.
It's a difficult situation for law enforcement to be put in for sure but they should err on the side of caution

 

[stevil]

It's a difficult position to be put in, someone is telling you there is a man in the women's bathroom and they expect you to do something. People think you're supposed to fix everything when you're in law enforcement.
The officers made the wrong decision because they didn't have a law to back up their decision to go in the women's restroom.
But people would have been unhappy and criticizing no matter what they did

Perhaps the police should have asked more questions of the person reporting the incident?

How did you know it was a man?
Is this person being dangerous or disruptive?

The police, if still concerned, and if there was a woman police officer, could have had the woman police officer discretely go into the toilets to observe if there is any danger or disruption going on.


In all honesty, I have been to the pub a few times and had women come into the mens loos, because of a large queue at the women's toilets, I didn't think much of it, wasn't scared, didn't think of calling the police. It was a non event.
Perhaps in USA there is a bit of irrational hysteria going on. I don't think it is wise for the police to be joining in on the hysteria.

 

[stevil]

You know good and well this isn't the first time in the history of law enforcement that someone reported a suspicious male entering the womens room.

Depends on your definition of a "suspicious" male.

A person going to the toilet, going into a stall and peeing, isn't "suspicious"

 

[RileyG]

Irs interesting that more people arw upset about this than an actual man getting naked in womens locker rooms.

In a sense the law in this instance is really irrelevant. Let's say for arguments sake there was a law against a man using the women's room.

This STILL could have happened.

There is a LOT missing in this story.

1. Did the officers really order her out of the stalls? Or is she making that up.

2. Did the officers check her ID?

3. Why were the officers using flashlights. Were they really? Restrooms usually have enough light that you dont need flashlights. You can see that in the video.

4. The officers don't seem all that agitated over this despite her claims of their banging on the door and ordering her out. And they are wearing body cams. So let's see the whole incident and not 10 seconds of it.

5. Did the store ask her to leave or did they just see her go in and report it. The store should have gone in and checked to see if everything was okay. They should if they think a man was going into the lady's room. Why's he going in when there a perfectly good men's room? Is he about to commit a crime?

You know good and well this isn't the first time in the history of law enforcement that someone reported a suspicious male entering the womens room.

She lifted up her shirt? They certainly didn't ask her to. Nordid they check her genitalia or ask to.

Some wondered about checking ID. How do we know they didn't?

Look, if you are.trying to look like a man and enter the womens room you should be checked out. How does anyone know you aren't one? Part of this is on her. Because we KNOW for a fact that men HAVE assaulted women in the lady's room.

Very well said. If she wants to be a “stud” that’s her choice, but don’t be surprised if someone genuinely misgenders her.

It happens.

 

[RileyG]

Depends on your definition of a "suspicious" male.

A person going to the toilet, going into a stall and peeing, isn't "suspicious"

Men, actual men, don’t belong in the ladies room. Period.

 

[BPPLEE]

Perhaps the police should have asked more questions of the person reporting the incident?

How did you know it was a man?
Is this person being dangerous or disruptive?

The police, if still concerned, and if there was a woman police officer, could have had the woman police officer discretely go into the toilets to observe if there is any danger or disruption going on.


In all honesty, I have been to the pub a few times and had women come into the mens loos, because of a large queue at the women's toilets, I didn't think much of it, wasn't scared, didn't think of calling the police. It was a non event.
Perhaps in USA there is a bit of irrational hysteria going on. I don't think it is wise for the police to be joining in on the hysteria.

There are a lot of things we just don't know but if I was one of those officers I wouldn't have went in the ladies room

 

[rjs330]

The officers made the wrong decision because they didn't have a law to back up their decision to go in the women's restroom.
But people would have been unhappy and criticizing no matter what they did

I disagree. The fact is a man could be assaulting a woman in the ladies room. We can't look at this as JUST a trans thing. What if she really was a dude. And what if he went in and assaulted someone or was taking video of them or something. Violating their privacy?

So did they make the wrong decision or were they making sure a man wasn't committing a crime in there?

 

[rjs330]

There are a lot of things we just don't know but if I was one of those officers I wouldn't have went in the ladies room

I would've to make a quick check to make sure a man wasn't there committing a crime.

 

[stevil]

There are a lot of things we just don't know but if I was one of those officers I wouldn't have went in the ladies room

Yes, certainly if there is no sign of danger to anyone.

 

[stevil]

I disagree. The fact is a man could be assaulting a woman in the ladies room.

Was there a report of someone being assaulted in the ladies room?
What is the probable cause that the police would require to interfere with a person in the loos doing their business?

 

[BPPLEE]

I disagree. The fact is a man could be assaulting a woman in the ladies room. We can't look at this as JUST a trans thing. What if she really was a dude. And what if he went in and assaulted someone or was taking video of them or something. Violating their privacy?

So did they make the wrong decision or were they making sure a man wasn't committing a crime in there?

It depends, did someone tell them that someone was being assaulted or making videos of just that there was someone who looked like a man in there?
In the old days they could have dragged her out of there, made her show ID and not even have said sorry for the mistake.
These days they can be sued for misgendering her

 

[RileyG]

It depends, did someone tell them that someone was being assaulted or making videos of just that there was someone who looked like a man in there?
In the old days they could have dragged her out of there, made her show ID and not even have said sorry for the mistake.
These days they can be sued for misgendering her

People can sue over getting embarrassed or feelings hurt? I guess, depending on how severe it is, I do understand. People shouldn’t be bullied or harassed. That’s flat out wrong.

If someone is honestly mistaken, then that’s a different matter all together.

You know?

 

[BPPLEE]

People can sue over getting embarrassed or feelings hurt? I guess, depending on how severe it is, I do understand. People shouldn’t be bullied or harassed. That’s flat out wrong.

If someone is honestly mistaken, then that’s a different matter all together.

You know?

People can sue over anything. They may not win but even if they don't it can cause a lot of trouble for the officers

 

[RileyG]

People can sue over anything. They may not win but even if they don't it can cause a lot of trouble for the officers

That’s true.

If the officers were just doing their job, then this woman cannot cry victim.

She knew what she was doing.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[RileyG]

Yes, certainly if there is no sign of danger to anyone.

Some women who have been assaulted aren’t comfortable being around men alone. It’s more of a perceived danger than actual danger.

 

[BPPLEE]

Some women who have been assaulted aren’t comfortable being around men alone. It’s more of a perceived danger than actual danger.

And they don't want to see male genitalia in the ladies room

 

[RileyG]

And they don't want to see male genitalia in the ladies room

Yup. Exactly!

Which is also why some anti trans laws exist.

To keep biological men out of women only spaces. Period!

 

[BPPLEE]

Yup. Exactly!

Which is also why some anti trans laws exist.

To keep biological men out of women only spaces. Period!

Pun intended?

 

[RileyG]

Pun intended?

Nope! lol

 

[rjs330]

It's a difficult situation for law enforcement to be put in for sure but they should err on the side of caution

Absolutely. Erring on the side of caution is the best thing to do. And since we have no idea what really happened we need to wait and see. I don't think she's telling the whole story correctly.